Kyle Poyar, author of Growth Unhinged and a leading expert in pricing, packaging, and product-led growth, joins CJ for this episode. Together they explore the evolving landscape of SaaS metrics in the age of AI with a focus on the paradigm shift from access-based pricing to outcome-based models. They also examine success-based pricing and how to attach metrics to these models. The discussion delves into AI’s impact on ARR (annual recurring revenue), questioning its relevance in this new era and the implications of these changes for CFOs, who must now navigate more complex revenue structures and margins. As AI reshapes the industry, Kyle and CJ discuss the potential rise of professional services revenue, which SaaS metrics may fall by the wayside and what new metrics will emerge. This episode provides deep insights into the future of SaaS pricing in the age of AI and the metrics that will define success.

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LINKS:

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Preview and Intro

(01:50) Sponsor – Mercury | NetSuite

(06:05) AI Pricing Versus Conventional SaaS Pricing

(09:32) Defining an Agent or “Agentic” AI

(12:41) Charging per Work Completed Versus Access-Based

(14:51) Usage-Based Versus Success-Based Pricing

(16:04) The Challenges of Success-Based Pricing

(17:34) Sponsor – Maxio | Leapfin

(19:50) Attaching Metrics to Success

(26:22) Moving from Recurring Revenue to Reoccurring Revenue

(29:03) Establishing Baselines and Fixed Budgets

(31:04) The Ability to Prove Strong ROI

(34:52) The Limitations of ARR in This AI Model

(38:10) Rethinking ARR and How We Use It

(39:28) The Future of Professional Services Revenue

(43:43) New Positions for People in the Go-to-Market Strategy

(47:51) The Effect of AI and the Development of In-House AI Platforms on Renewal Rates

(50:39) Which SaaS Metrics Will Fall Away in the AI Pricing World

(51:49) New Metrics to Pay Attention To

(54:07) Wrap