S4 Ep5: Indi Young - Mental Models and Thinking Styles
Apr 10, 2024
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Indi Young, a solution strategist, talks about the importance of understanding mental models and thinking styles that are not fixed personas. She discusses the challenges organizations face in adapting to different ways of thinking and addressing user needs. Indi shares insights on bias, cognitive understanding, decision-making post-pandemic, and working with AI models.
People's mental models and thinking styles are not fixed personas, but change based on context, emphasizing the importance of organizations considering diverse perspectives.
Understanding mental models through city skyline diagrams can aid in supporting various thinking styles and guiding teams towards more inclusive design processes.
Practical empathy and delving into interior cognition can enhance design thinking by fostering deeper understanding of individual perspectives and creating more empathetic products.
Deep dives
The Journey to Purpose-Focused Market Strategy
A market strategist discusses her 30-year evolution from software engineer to developing a method to understand users' diverse thinking styles. She emphasizes the importance of considering the varied approaches and cognitive styles people use when interacting with digital products.
Revolutionizing Data Analysis with Mental Models
The concept of mental models is explored, focusing on representing individuals' thought processes. The speaker introduces the idea of mental models as city skyline diagrams showing different perspectives, guiding the team towards understanding and supporting diverse thinking styles.
Empathy and Interior Cognition in Design Thinking
The importance of practical empathy and understanding interior cognition is highlighted in improving design thinking processes. By delving into the deeper layers of individual perspectives, the speaker emphasizes the value of empathetic understanding in designing products and services.
Unpacking Bias and Trust in Research
The podcast discusses bias in decision-making processes within organizations and the challenge of fostering trust in research outcomes. Examples of biased statements and unintentional harms in product development underscore the importance of recognizing and addressing biases for sustainable and inclusive growth.
Transforming Organizational Cultures through Understanding and Support
The conversation delves into the complexities of organizational culture and the need for supportive environments. By focusing on listening deeply to individuals' perspectives and acknowledging varied thinking styles, the speaker advocates for rehumanizing products and services to foster collaborative and innovative team dynamics.
Power of Ten is a show about design operating at all levels of zoom, from thoughtful detail to changes in organisation, society and the world, hosted by design leadership coach, Andy Polaine.
Indi Young is a solution strategist who uses purpose-focused qualitative data science. She created her method over a 30-year span, and teaches that method in courses, coaching, workshops, books, talks, and through working with teams on research studies.
Indi discusses how people are complex and nuanced and their mental models and thinking styles are not fixed personas or personalities. They changed based on context and it is essential that organisations listen to and consider different ways of thinking and addressing user needs.
Indi was a joy to speak with and this is a long episode, but she articulates her thinking and insights so well I could not bear to edit out more.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
01:25 Indi's background
04:12 Origin's of design and strategic research - before UX research existed!
08:50 Persuading stakeholders to trust research
18:25 On Netflix, bias and unintentional harm
26:42 On Mental Models and interior cognition
33:20 The gobstopper/jawbreaker model
40:01 Thinking Styles
47:35 Why do companies still get this wrong all the time?
55:07 One small thing
56:52 Where to find Indi online
57:45 Outro