How do you find peace daily?
What keeps you going in hard times?
Today, Jay sits down with Madonna for a rare and intimate conversation that goes beyond her iconic career into the spiritual foundation that has carried her through life’s greatest challenges. For nearly 30 years, Madonna has walked a spiritual path that has shaped her resilience, fueled her creativity, and defined her sense of purpose. Madonna opens up about what first drew her to seek deeper meaning, the practices that became her lifeline, and why she believes spirituality has been the true key to her strength, longevity, and fulfillment.
Together, Jay and Madonna dive into themes of transformation, the search for meaning in suffering, the freedom that comes with radical acceptance, and the power of forgiveness to heal our deepest wounds. Madonna shares the moments that tested her most, from loss and betrayal to near-death experiences, and how each challenge became an opening for growth when she chose to see it through the lens of purpose rather than punishment.
In the second half of the conversation, Jay and Madonna are joined by her longtime Kabbalah teacher, Eitan, for a powerful exploration of spiritual wisdom in action. They discuss why our struggles and inner battles are essential for growth, and how to reframe challenges as opportunities to reveal greater light. Eitan offers practical tools, from pausing and embracing discomfort to practicing “certainty beyond logic,” to help us find strength in life’s most difficult moments.
In this interview, you'll learn:
How to Build a Spiritual Practice
How to Find Meaning in Suffering
How to Escape the Victim Mentality
How to Practice Radical Acceptance
How to Forgive and Let Go
How to Manifest with Consciousness
How to Teach Kids Spiritual Awareness
How to Stop Comparing Yourself to Others
How to Discover Your Soul’s Purpose
Every one of us will face moments of doubt, loss, or uncertainty, but those moments are not the end of our story, they are invitations to grow into something greater. The challenges we experience are not punishments but lessons, guiding us back to our true selves.
With Love and Gratitude,
Jay Shetty
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Explore the deep spiritual study of Kabbalah with Madonna’s new course, ‘The Mystical Studies of the Zohar’ together with her teacher Eitan Yardeni at www.kabbalah.com
What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
00:44 Beginning a Spiritual Journey
02:41 Choosing Your Spiritual Path
08:26 Breath, Yoga, and Inner Peace
17:40 Do You Need Spirituality to Be Successful?
20:29 Channeling Art Through Spirit
24:56 Transcending Trauma and Pain
27:56 Life Beyond Money and Material Success
30:30 Motherhood as a Spiritual Calling
33:07 The Gift of Being Different
35:54 Teaching Kids Spiritual Awareness
40:37 Showing Up Through the Struggle
42:37 Facing the Enemy Within
48:54 Escaping the Victim Mentality
50:23 How We Abandon Ourselves
54:36 Breaking Free From Self-Pity
56:16 Manifestation with Consciousness
01:01:24 Finding Strength in Community
01:05:53 The Weight of Words and Actions
01:08:57 Letting Go of Hate and Grudges
01:19:44 The Wisdom of Kabbalah
01:21:40 How Madonna Discovered Kabbalah
01:27:25 Unlocking the Secrets of Life Through Spirituality
01:30:55 The Inner Battle With Toxic Thoughts
01:38:02 A Mother’s Deepest Fear
01:40:09 Learning to Accept Help
01:42:02 Freeing Yourself from Harsh Judgment
01:46:31 Four Steps to Inner Strength
01:53:13 Practicing Trust Beyond Logic
01:56:35 Finding Lessons In Life’s Pain
02:02:12 Releasing the Need to Control
02:04:06 Raising Spiritually Grounded Children
02:07:08 Why Overgiving Hurts Kids
02:10:01 The Dangers of Instant Gratification
02:12:06 What Is Your Soul’s Purpose?
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