Claudia Sahm, Chief Economist at New Century Advisors and creator of the 'Sahm rule', joins Bill Dudley, former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to tackle pressing economic concerns. They dissect rising unemployment rates and their implications for recession fears. The duo debates the complexities of economic indicators and the Fed's role in navigating potential downturns. Will current policies push the economy towards a recession, or are there signs of resilience? Their insights challenge conventional thinking and call for cautious interpretation of labor market trends.
The rising unemployment rate has triggered the Som Rule, suggesting a potential recession despite positive wider economic indicators like consumer spending.
Economists express differing views on recession likelihood, emphasizing the need for the Federal Reserve to adjust policies swiftly to mitigate risks.
Deep dives
Concerns About Fed Policy and Recession Risks
The current economic climate raises significant concerns about the Federal Reserve's policy actions and their potential to trigger a recession. Recent labor market indicators, including a weaker than expected jobs report, have led to the activation of the Som Rule, suggesting the U.S. could be on the verge of a recession. Economists from Goldman Sachs anticipate that the Fed may cut interest rates in the coming months, yet there is a divergence in their views on recession risk, with only 20% odds assigned to a downturn. In contrast, some experts believe that if the Fed continues its current course without adjusting its policies, an unforced policy error could exacerbate economic downturns, leading to a recession that may have been avoidable.
The Significance of the Som Rule
The Som Rule serves as a recession indicator that has historically signaled economic contractions based on specific unemployment rate thresholds. Developed by Claudia Som, this rule is designed to provide an early warning for initiating fiscal stimulus during downturns, though it has recently been triggered even amid signs of economic growth. Despite the rule's activation, Som indicates that broader economic indicators such as consumer spending and income are still positive, complicating the narrative suggested by rising unemployment. This discrepancy highlights the importance of context in interpreting economic data, as the unemployment increase could stem from an influx of new workers rather than a significant drop in labor demand.
Diverse Perspectives on Economic Stability
Experts express varying degrees of concern regarding the U.S. economic outlook, particularly the likelihood of a recession in the near future. While Bill Dudley estimates a 50-60% chance of recession, underscoring the significance of historical patterns in labor market movements, Rob Kaplan maintains a more optimistic stance, emphasizing that the job market remains resilient despite signs of softening. They agree that the Fed must act swiftly to adjust monetary policy in response to increased risks, with potential interest rate cuts on the horizon. This ongoing debate among economists stresses the complexity of the economic situation, where historical data may not always predict future events accurately.
Many view the recent rise in the unemployment rate as a concerning sign about the economic outlook, fueling recession fears. Could the US economy fall into recession, and will overly tight Federal Reserve policy be to blame? In the latest episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges, Allison Nathan discusses these questions with three top economic minds: Claudia Sahm, the creator of the “Sahm rule” and Chief Economist at New Century Advisors, former Federal Reserve Bank of New York President Bill Dudley, and Goldman Sachs Vice Chairman and former Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Rob Kaplan. This episode explores the latest Top of Mind report, “Is the Fed behind the curve?”
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