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Pushing back can be reframed as finding alignment in goals and issues. By understanding the underlying goal or issue that someone has, it is possible to align and find a solution that benefits both parties. For example, at Airbnb, the goal was to create a magical customer experience. By reframing the integration of a product as a trip designer, a simpler and more elegant experience, pushback transformed into a collaborative effort to achieve a shared goal.
When pushing back on a CEO or founder, it can be effective to frame your argument in terms of winning or achieving the desired outcome. By understanding what drives the leader and connecting your pushback to their vision of success, it becomes easier to garner support. This approach was seen at Altomate, where the founders' drive to win became the focus of the discussion, leading to a better understanding of how a new role or initiative could contribute to the company's success.
When trying to influence a CEO or founder, it is important to work backwards from their perspective. Understanding their values, interests, and priorities allows for a more targeted approach. By aligning your pitch or pushback with what excites the CEO or what they envision for the company, it becomes easier to gain their support and move forward.
Instead of solely focusing on climbing the career ladder, consider following your interests and curiosity. Embrace a map mindset that allows for diverse experiences and growth. Don't be afraid to explore new opportunities or take on challenges outside of the traditional ladder progression. By following what is personally interesting and meaningful, you may discover unique paths to success and fulfillment.
The speaker emphasizes the importance of living an interesting life, prioritizing experiences and growth over comfort. They compare their career to travel, expressing a willingness to embrace discomfort and seek out unique and memorable experiences. They believe that living an interesting life leads to personal growth and meaningful stories.
The speaker advocates for a distinction between a ladder and a map when making career decisions. They encourage individuals to think about the big picture and what truly matters to them, rather than focusing solely on the micro-level details. They discuss personal examples of taking risks and exploring different paths, highlighting the value of interesting experiences and character-building challenges. They suggest finding a balance between commitment and exploration in one's career, in order to achieve personal fulfillment and success.
Jason Shah has led product teams at Amazon, Airbnb, Microsoft, and Yammer and currently leads the product team at Alchemy (one of the most important web3 infrastructure companies). In addition, he’s an advisor, investor, and two-time founder. In today’s episode, Jason discusses what it’s like to be a PM in web3, why his role at Amazon made such a big impact on his life and career, what makes a great leader, and how to hire well. He also shares his unique perspective on building a meaningful career and life.
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Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-meaningful-career-jason
—Where to find Jason Shah:• Twitter: https://twitter.com/jasonyogeshshah• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonyogeshshah/• Website: https://www.jasonshah.me/—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible:• Whimsical: https://whimsical.com/lenny• Coda: http://coda.io/lenny• Amplitude: https://amplitude.com/—Referenced:• Creative Selection: Inside Apple’s Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs: https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Selection-Inside-Apples-Process/dp/1250194466• Casey Winters on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-sell-your-ideas-and-rise-within#details• Jason Shah in Lenny’s newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-product-managers-guide-to-web3• The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers: https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Thing-About-Things-Building/dp/0062273205• Polygon: https://polygon.technology/• Solana: https://solana.com/• MoonPay: https://www.moonpay.com/• The Vietnam War series by Ken Burns: https://www.pbs.org/show/vietnam-war/• Alchemy: https://www.alchemy.com/—In this episode, we cover:(04:31) Jason’s background(08:19) The current state of web3(12:44) The evolution of product management in web3(15:27) The value of a great product manager(18:11) Why Amazon was a great learning experience (20:25) A look into Amazon’s process on working backward(23:55) How to communicate clearly(28:17) Working backward from excitement(32:46) What makes a great leader(38:26) How to influence a CEO or founder’s direction (46:19) The career ladder vs. career map framework(52:27) When to follow a new opportunity vs. when to stick it out(58:50) How to hire the right people(1:03:47) What skill is most important for product managers(1:06:49) Lightning round!—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquires about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.
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