Decoder with Nilay Patel

Why Spotify wants to look like TikTok, with co-president Gustav Söderström

Mar 14, 2023

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Gustav Söderström

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Spotify's redesign with a TikTok-like feed aims to optimize AI recommendations and improve user interfaces for better music and podcast discovery.

Spotify is testing an auto-play feature for podcasts, while still allowing users to skip ads, emphasizing relevance and user experience.

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Spotify's Redesign to Emphasize Discovery and Feeds

Spotify announced a major redesign with a focus on helping users discover new music and podcasts. The redesign incorporates a TikTok-like visual feed, optimizing for better AI recommendations and more efficient user interfaces. The goal is to improve discovery and expand users' taste profiles. While video podcasting and autoplay features were highlighted, the majority of podcasts remain audio-focused. Spotify aims to balance formats and not prioritize one over the other. The company is also testing an auto-play feature for podcasts, pulling episodes from the listener's other shows and suggesting new ones. However, skipping ads in podcasts will remain possible, as Spotify sees skippable ads as a measure of relevance. The premium HiFi tier was also mentioned, acknowledging changes in the industry but confirming that it will be introduced in a way that works best for Spotify and its listeners. No specific timeline or details were provided for the introduction of HiFi or spatial audio.

Spotify is Optimized for Long-Term Retention Over Immediate Click-Through

01:22

How Spotify Makes Decisions Internally

01:37

Designing a Single Application for Multiple Content Types

01:31

Spotify's Quest for Music Discovery

01:05

Introduction

2min

Spotify Is Embracing Feeds, Is There Something Deeper Happening?

2min

The Verge Podcast - Command Line

2min

Spotify - The Biggest Redesign in a Long Time

4min

You Can't Win With an Org

2min

The Future of Technology Is Here, Right?

6min

Spotify

2min

How Do You Make Decisions?

4min

Spotify Adding a Visual Feed to the App

4min

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How to Optimize for Time Expended in the Feed

3min

11.

Is That Not Coming?

3min

12.

Spotify

3min

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Spotify

2min

14.

Is There a Reaction to Changing a Habit?

2min

15.

Can We Stop Making Functional Apps Worse?

2min

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The User Interface Is the Real User Problem

4min

17.

I Don't Think It's a Two Way Door

2min

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Podcasts on Spotify - Is There a Concern?

3min

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Podcasts - Are You Optimizing for Foreground Activity?

2min

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Podcasting

2min

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Spotify, Hi, Fi Lossless Audio

2min

Gustav Söderström has worked at Spotify for a long time; his first big project was leading the launch of its mobile app back in 2009. That makes him the perfect company leader to talk to about Spotify’s recent redesign, which introduces a visual, TikTok-like feed for discovering new content on the app’s homepage. As his boss CEO Daniel Ek put it last week, it’s “the biggest change Spotify has undergone since we introduced mobile.”

With the title of co-president and chief product and technology officer, Söderström is responsible for not only how Spotify looks and feels but also all the AI work happening behind the scenes to power its increasingly important recommendations. According to Söderström, it turns out that improving those recommendations is actually at the heart of the big redesign. “I think companies that don’t have an efficient user interface for a machine learning world are not going to be able to leverage machine learning,” he told Alex Heath on the newest episode of Decoder.

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Transcript:

https://www.theverge.com/e/23402123

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

It was produced by Creighton DeSimone and Jackie McDermott and it was edited by Callie Wright.