
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

May 19, 2025 • 1h 15min
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI can save the web, not destroy it
Kevin Scott, Microsoft’s Chief Technology Officer, discusses the future of search and AI's transformative role. He shares insights on Microsoft's open-source tool, which enhances website interactivity through natural language search. Scott delves into the concept of the 'agentic web,' emphasizing the importance of user autonomy amid AI integration. He also explores how AI can impact creative industries, addressing concerns about authorship and copyright while advocating for a more equitable web for creators and consumers.

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May 15, 2025 • 1h 12min
Workday's new product head hopes he can make you like Workday
Gerrit Kazmaier, the new President of Product and Technology at Workday, dives into the complexities of enterprise software. He discusses why these systems frustrate users and suggests a more interconnected, collaborative approach. The conversation delves into the transformative potential of AI in the workplace, emphasizing its role in improving user experiences and addressing issues like data quality. Kazmaier candidly addresses the disconnect between executives and end users, advocating for a future where enterprise software becomes more intuitive and effective.

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May 12, 2025 • 1h 23min
Did Apple get too big for its own good?
John Gruber, the proprietor of Daring Fireball, joins to delve into Apple's current struggles and its mounting legal challenges. They explore the critical ruling in the Epic vs. Apple case, highlighting developer frustrations over perceived greed. Gruber discusses Apple's strategic pivot towards services revenue and the implications of its App Store practices, alongside the complexities of its global supply chain. The conversation raises questions about the company's future as it navigates regulatory pressures and strained relationships with developers.

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May 8, 2025 • 1h 5min
Reuters is ready to stand up for the press — and embrace AI
In this discussion, Paul Bascobert, President of Reuters and a veteran in global news, dives into how the organization adapts in the AI-driven media landscape. He explores the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity amidst the rise of misinformation. Bascobert highlights strategies for engaging younger audiences, transitioning to subscription models, and embracing AI innovations to enhance reporting. With a rich history since 1851, he emphasizes Reuters' commitment to delivering fact-based news while navigating today's rapidly evolving digital environment.

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May 5, 2025 • 1h 11min
NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI, and the economy
A.G. Sulzberger, the Publisher of The New York Times and a fourth-generation leader of the family legacy, dives into the challenges facing journalism today. He discusses the urgent issues of press freedom amid political turmoil and the evolving landscape of media consumption. Sulzberger also tackles the legal battle with OpenAI and Microsoft, emphasizing the need to protect intellectual property in an AI-driven world. With a shift towards a reader-supported model, he outlines how The Times is adapting to thrive amidst economic uncertainties.

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May 1, 2025 • 52min
What Trump has broken in 100 days
Adi Robertson, policy editor at The Verge, dives into the tumultuous first 100 days of Trump's second term. They discuss the chaotic impact of tariffs on global markets and how FCC policies affect free speech. The conversation explores the political fallout surrounding TikTok and the challenges of child safety legislation. AI’s disruptive rise and its transformative effects on businesses are also examined. Additionally, Robertson highlights the complexities of cryptocurrency trends, including the implications of Dogecoin amid political shifts.

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Apr 28, 2025 • 59min
Decoder Live: Fired FTC commissioners fight back
In a riveting discussion, former FTC commissioners Rebecca Slaughter and Alvaro Bedoya share their experiences being fired by the Trump administration and their ongoing legal battle to reclaim their positions. They delve into the complexities of antitrust laws, particularly in relation to tech giants like Amazon and Meta. The duo highlights the precarious balance of political power in regulatory bodies and the implications for consumer protection and privacy in the digital age, underscoring the need for integrity amid corporate influence.

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Apr 24, 2025 • 1h 12min
The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger
Jonathan Kanter, the former Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust, reveals insights from his tenure leading critical antitrust cases against Google. He discusses the growing urgency for the U.S. government to consider breaking up the tech giant to promote fair competition. Kanter elaborates on the legal complexities of Google's ad tech monopoly and the political influences impacting these cases. He also highlights the implications for democracy and innovation, conveying the message that the fight against Big Tech is far from over.

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Apr 21, 2025 • 1h 13min
Verizon’s consumer chief: Net neutrality ‘went literally nowhere’
Sowmyanarayan Sampath, CEO of Verizon’s consumer division, shares insights on the telecom landscape. He discusses the substantial investments in 5G and the value of competition versus net neutrality. Sampath reveals how regulatory changes impact Verizon's operations, highlighting the current scrutiny over DEI policies. He also addresses the strategic need for a three-year price lock amidst market fluctuations. With a focus on customer experience and future tech innovations, Sampath navigates the complex relationship between government regulations and telecommunications.

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Apr 17, 2025 • 1h 7min
How Trump’s tariffs actually work on the ground
Ryan Petersen, Founder and CEO of Flexport, shares insights on how Trump's trade policies are reshaping global logistics. He discusses the complexities of tariffs and their impact on the supply chain, emphasizing the need for businesses to adapt quickly to changing regulations. Petersen highlights a shift in manufacturing patterns towards countries like Vietnam and illustrates the vital role of technology in navigating these turbulent times. With tariffs affecting pricing and customs processes, he argues for a more agile approach to global trade management.