
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
Latest episodes

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Jul 14, 2025 • 1h 7min
How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy
Cassie Kozyrkov, CEO of Kozyr and former chief decision scientist at Google, dives into the fascinating world of decision-making and AI. She discusses how AI can enhance our everyday choices while emphasizing the importance of aligning technology with personal values. Cassie shares insights on overcoming biases in AI systems and the critical need for human oversight. With personal anecdotes, she highlights the intertwining of neuroscience and decision processes, urging a thoughtful approach to leveraging AI for smarter decision-making.

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Jul 10, 2025 • 53min
Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’
Ellis Hamburger, founder of Meaning and former journalist at The Verge, shares insights on the chaotic landscape of AI startups. He discusses how many founders overlook the bigger picture in their rush to pivot. The conversation digs into the ethics of engagement, criticizing social media algorithms that favor clicks over meaningful interactions. Hamburger highlights the need for authenticity in tech storytelling and stresses the importance of balancing innovation with ethical responsibilities.

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Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 28min
How SharkNinja took over the home
Mark Barrocas, CEO of SharkNinja, shares insights on how the company has revolutionized the home appliance industry through innovative problem-solving and agile product development. He discusses their new Ninja Flex Flame grill, highlighting features that cater to modern living. Mark explains how consumer feedback drives their design process and the importance of teamwork and technology in crafting solutions. He also delves into the competitive grilling market and their strategies to maintain relevance in a rapidly evolving landscape.

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Jun 30, 2025 • 1h 9min
Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress
Matt Mullenweg, Founder and CEO of Automattic, discusses his contentious legal battle with WP Engine, shedding light on his decision-making process and regrets. He delves into the evolution of Automattic, including innovative tools like Beeper and the Newspack platform aimed at supporting local journalism. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on WordPress dynamics and the challenges faced by the open-source community, emphasizing collaboration amidst rivalries and the need for adaptability in leadership.

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Jun 23, 2025 • 1h 7min
Hinge CEO Justin McLeod says dating AI chatbots is 'playing with fire'
Justin McLeod, co-founder and CEO of Hinge, shares insights about the quest for authentic connections in dating. He discusses the dangers of AI chatbots, likening their use in dating to 'playing with fire.' The conversation highlights Hinge's evolution and its focus on meaningful relationships rather than just app engagement. McLeod addresses data privacy concerns and the challenges of integrating AI into personal interactions while emphasizing the need for genuine human connections in an increasingly digital world.

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Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 5min
Monopoly isn’t a game (with Lina Khan)
Lina Khan, former FTC Chair, discusses the critical landscape of antitrust in the U.S. with Preet Bharara. They dive into the bipartisan shift toward regulating Big Tech and examine how monopolies, especially those like Amazon and Google, stifle innovation and fair competition. Khan reflects on her time in government, the implications of monopolistic practices, and the enduring necessity of antitrust enforcement in protecting consumer rights. The conversation is a call to action for fair competition and fresh ideas in an ever-consolidating market.

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Jun 9, 2025 • 1h 12min
Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith isn’t afraid of AI robots replacing human labor
Ania Smith, CEO of TaskRabbit, leads a platform that connects users to skilled taskers for home services, significantly enhancing the gig economy. She discusses navigating the labor market amidst AI disruptions and the importance of empathy in leadership. Ania highlights TaskRabbit's unique edge in personalized service and skill-based task matching, delving into the challenges taskers face. She also touches on the integration of TaskRabbit with IKEA and how their partnership streamlines customer experiences while maintaining operational independence.

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Jun 5, 2025 • 57min
Why Runway CEO Cris Valenzuela thinks AI filmmaking is the future
Cris Valenzuela, CEO and co-founder of Runway, an avant-garde AI video generation platform, dives deep into the transformative potential of AI in filmmaking. He discusses how AI can democratize storytelling, making production more accessible while navigating the murky waters of copyright law. Valenzuela emphasizes the need for creativity and collaboration in tech advancements and explores partnerships with entertainment giants. The conversation touches on the evolving role of traditional media and the importance of adapting to new technological landscapes.

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Jun 2, 2025 • 1h 18min
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky wants to build the everything app
Brian Chesky, Co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, returns to share his vision of transforming the platform into an all-encompassing service app. He discusses the ambitious redesign of the Airbnb app, integrating AI to enhance user experience and community-building. Chesky reflects on the shift from rentals to authentic travel experiences while emphasizing innovative design and organizational structure that foster creativity. He tackles the role of technology in navigating disruptions in the travel industry and the evolving nature of human-computer interaction.

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May 29, 2025 • 49min
How private equity kills companies and communities
Megan Greenwell, a journalist and author of 'Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream', delves into the troubling world of private equity. She discusses her experiences at Deadspin and the destructive corporate takeover that altered its mission. The conversation highlights the pervasive impact of private equity on industries like healthcare and retail, revealing how profit-driven motives can devastate communities and services. Greenwell also sheds light on grassroots movements challenging private equity's dominance and calls for accountability.