

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Jul 24, 2025 • 1h 1min
We are not ready for better deepfakes
Gaurav Misra, CEO of Captions, dives into the world of deepfake technology, revealing its alarming advancements and potential dangers. He discusses the ethical implications of AI-generated videos and the rising concern over misinformation in political contexts. Misra emphasizes the urgent need for awareness, regulation, and innovative solutions to combat deepfake abuse, while exploring the current limitations of verification methods. With deepfakes becoming increasingly sophisticated, the conversation highlights our precarious balance between innovation and safeguarding authenticity in a digital age.

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Jul 21, 2025 • 1h 6min
Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’
This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist. I’m guest-hosting for a couple more episodes of Decoder this summer while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I’m talking with a very special guest: Gil Duran, an old friend, journalist, and author of The Nerd Reich, a newsletter and forthcoming book about the shifting politics of Silicon Valley and the rise of tech authoritarianism.
Links:
Is Peter Thiel the Antichrist? NYT didn’t think to ask | The Nerd Reich
How tech authoritarianism becomes reality | The Nerd Reich
Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America | The New Yorker
The rise of techno-authoritarianism | The Atlantic
JD Vance thinks monarchists have some good ideas | The Verge
Startups meeting with Trump officials to push for deregulated ‘Freedom Cities’ | Wired
Peter Thiel-linked startup wants to build the “next great city” in Greenland | Inside Hook
Bitcoin could replace dollar If US debt grows says Coinbase CEO | CryptoSlate
Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.
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Jul 17, 2025 • 54min
Perplexity CEO on why the browser is AI's killer app
Aravind Srinivas, CEO of Perplexity and an AI search innovator, discusses the future of web browsing with his new AI web browser, Comet. He believes the browser will be pivotal for AI development, shifting user interactions from mundane tasks to entertainment. The conversation dives into the AI talent wars and how businesses might soon pay hefty prices for singular AI prompts. Srinivas also highlights the integration challenges of AI tools in browsers and the need for user education to maximize their potential, while setting sights on competing with tech giants.

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Jul 14, 2025 • 1h 7min
How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy
Cassie Kozyrkov, CEO of Kozyr and former chief decision scientist at Google, dives into the fascinating world of decision-making and AI. She discusses how AI can enhance our everyday choices while emphasizing the importance of aligning technology with personal values. Cassie shares insights on overcoming biases in AI systems and the critical need for human oversight. With personal anecdotes, she highlights the intertwining of neuroscience and decision processes, urging a thoughtful approach to leveraging AI for smarter decision-making.

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Jul 10, 2025 • 53min
Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’
Ellis Hamburger, founder of Meaning and former journalist at The Verge, shares insights on the chaotic landscape of AI startups. He discusses how many founders overlook the bigger picture in their rush to pivot. The conversation digs into the ethics of engagement, criticizing social media algorithms that favor clicks over meaningful interactions. Hamburger highlights the need for authenticity in tech storytelling and stresses the importance of balancing innovation with ethical responsibilities.

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Jul 7, 2025 • 1h 28min
How SharkNinja took over the home
Mark Barrocas, CEO of SharkNinja, shares insights on how the company has revolutionized the home appliance industry through innovative problem-solving and agile product development. He discusses their new Ninja Flex Flame grill, highlighting features that cater to modern living. Mark explains how consumer feedback drives their design process and the importance of teamwork and technology in crafting solutions. He also delves into the competitive grilling market and their strategies to maintain relevance in a rapidly evolving landscape.

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Jun 30, 2025 • 1h 9min
Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress
Matt Mullenweg, Founder and CEO of Automattic, discusses his contentious legal battle with WP Engine, shedding light on his decision-making process and regrets. He delves into the evolution of Automattic, including innovative tools like Beeper and the Newspack platform aimed at supporting local journalism. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on WordPress dynamics and the challenges faced by the open-source community, emphasizing collaboration amidst rivalries and the need for adaptability in leadership.

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Jun 23, 2025 • 1h 7min
Hinge CEO Justin McLeod says dating AI chatbots is 'playing with fire'
Justin McLeod, co-founder and CEO of Hinge, shares insights about the quest for authentic connections in dating. He discusses the dangers of AI chatbots, likening their use in dating to 'playing with fire.' The conversation highlights Hinge's evolution and its focus on meaningful relationships rather than just app engagement. McLeod addresses data privacy concerns and the challenges of integrating AI into personal interactions while emphasizing the need for genuine human connections in an increasingly digital world.

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Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 5min
Monopoly isn’t a game (with Lina Khan)
Lina Khan, former FTC Chair, discusses the critical landscape of antitrust in the U.S. with Preet Bharara. They dive into the bipartisan shift toward regulating Big Tech and examine how monopolies, especially those like Amazon and Google, stifle innovation and fair competition. Khan reflects on her time in government, the implications of monopolistic practices, and the enduring necessity of antitrust enforcement in protecting consumer rights. The conversation is a call to action for fair competition and fresh ideas in an ever-consolidating market.

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Jun 9, 2025 • 1h 12min
Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith isn’t afraid of AI robots replacing human labor
Ania Smith, CEO of TaskRabbit, leads a platform that connects users to skilled taskers for home services, significantly enhancing the gig economy. She discusses navigating the labor market amidst AI disruptions and the importance of empathy in leadership. Ania highlights TaskRabbit's unique edge in personalized service and skill-based task matching, delving into the challenges taskers face. She also touches on the integration of TaskRabbit with IKEA and how their partnership streamlines customer experiences while maintaining operational independence.