219 | Dani Bassett and Perry Zurn on the Neuroscience and Philosophy of Curiosity
Nov 28, 2022
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Curiosity is more than acquiring information; it is about making connections between ideas and people.
Neural networks in the brain and conceptual networks support cognitive flexibility and facilitate learning.
Curiosity should be fostered to promote understanding, connection, and inclusivity, through empathy and recognition of diverse perspectives.
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Advances in Neuroscience: Paralyzed People Communicating, Treating Chronic Pain, Preventing Alzheimer's, Improving Mental Health
This podcast episode explores the incredible advances in neuroscience, including technology that allows paralyzed individuals to communicate without moving, treatments focusing on the mind to alleviate chronic pain, potential therapies to prevent Alzheimer's disease years before it occurs, and how data from our phones can improve mental health care. Host Judith Warner interviews renowned brain scientists who discuss how their work is shaping our understanding of the brain's capabilities and treatment possibilities.
The Power of Connection in Curiosity
This podcast delves into the concept of curiosity itself, examining its different types and purposes. Guests Danny Bassett, a physicist, engineer, and neuroscientist, and Perry Zern, a philosopher, explore how curiosity is more than just acquiring information; it is about making connections between ideas and people. They emphasize the importance of understanding curiosity as a connective practice that enriches our relationship with the world and each other. Their book, 'Curious Minds: The Power of Connection,' expands on this perspective and explores ways to cultivate curiosity.
The Role of Networks in Curiosity and Knowledge
The podcast episode highlights the significance of networks in curiosity and knowledge formation. Danny Bassett, drawing from neuroscience, explains how the brain forms neural networks that allow us to build structures of knowledge. Perry Zern explores the historical and philosophical aspects of curiosity, revealing connections between ideas, experiences, and people within the network of knowledge. They discuss how both the brain's neural networks and conceptual networks can support cognitive flexibility and facilitate learning.
The Societal Influence on Curiosity
The podcast delves into the societal impact on curiosity, discussing how cultural and social structures shape our curiosity and value certain types of inquiries over others. Perry Zern highlights the inequalities and biases that can influence the accessibility and celebration of curiosity. The conversation touches on instances where curiosity has been suppressed or discouraged, such as book banning or limiting the exploration of new and diverse ideas. The episode emphasizes the need to foster curiosity that promotes understanding, connection, and inclusivity.
Curiosity, Empathy, and Rationality
The podcast explores the interplay between curiosity, empathy, and rationality. It challenges the notion that rationality alone can guide our understanding without considering other perspectives. Perry Zern emphasizes the importance of curiosity that engages with empathy, understanding the subjectivity of others, and recognizing diverse ways of thinking. The conversation critiques the idea that rationality is inherently objective and superior to empathy, highlighting biases that can infiltrate rational thinking. It suggests that curiosity paired with empathy can lead to more inclusive and insightful knowledge.
It’s easy enough to proclaim that we are curious creatures, but what does that really mean? What kinds of curiosity are there? And how does curiosity arise in our brains? Perry Zurn and Dani Bassett are a philosopher and neuroscientist, respectively (as well as twins), whose new book Curious Minds: The Power of Connection explores these questions through an interdisciplinary lens. We break down the different ways that curiosity can manifest — collecting and creating loose knowledge networks, digging deeply to create a tight knowledge network, and creatively leaping to make unexpected connections.
Perry Zurn received a Ph.D. in philosophy from DePaul University. He is currently an Associate Professor and Director of Undergraduate Studies in Philosophy in the Department of Philosophy and Religion at American University. He is the co-founder of the Trans Philosophy Project and the associated Thinking Trans // Trans Thinking Conference. Among his previous works is Curiosity and Power: The Politics of Inquiry.
Dani Bassett received a Ph.D. in physics from the University of Cambridge. They are currently the J. Peter Skirkanich Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, with appointments in the Departments of Bioengineering, Electrical & Systems Engineering, Physics & Astronomy, Neurology, and Psychiatry, as well as an external professor of the Santa Fe Institute. Among their awards are the Macarthur Fellowship, the Lagrange Prize in Complex Systems Science (2017), and the Erdos-Renyi Prize in Network Science.