The Edition: Best of 2024, with Dominic Sandbrook, Mary Beard and Harriet Harman
Dec 26, 2024
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Fraser Nelson, former editor of The Spectator, reflects on 15 years of editorial challenges. Dominic Sandbrook and Mary Beard discuss the importance of engaging children with complex history books, advocating for narratives that respect their intelligence. Christoffer van Tulleken debates the health impacts of ultra-processed foods, stressing societal implications in dietary choices. Meanwhile, Mary Beard critiques the portrayal of women in ancient Rome, prompting a reevaluation of historical narratives. Mark Jenkins shares amusing insights on hotel breakfast buffet etiquette.
Keir Starmer's potential supermajority may demand effective management of expectations among Labour's historic cohort of new MPs.
Fraser Nelson reflects on his tenure at The Spectator, emphasizing the importance of nurturing journalistic talent and innovative writing.
The debate on children's history books advocates for presenting complex narratives that respect young readers' understanding of moral ambiguity.
Deep dives
Starmer's Supermajority: Challenges and Opportunities
The discussion focuses on Labour leader Keir Starmer's potential supermajority and the implications for the Labour Party. Katie Balls highlights the need for Starmer to manage the expectations of a historic cohort of MPs, reminding that previous Labour victories were followed by disappointments. Harriet Harman emphasizes the importance of keeping the party grounded despite optimistic polls, referring to lessons learned from Tony Blair's era regarding member expectations. The conversation underscores the necessity of training a new generation of MPs to navigate the complexities of governance effectively.
Fraser Nelson's Legacy: Reflections on Editorial Leadership
Fraser Nelson reflects on his fifteen years as editor of The Spectator, marking his final issue with a mix of nostalgia and pride. He expresses gratitude towards the staff he hired and nurtured, highlighting the joy of witnessing their professional growth. Nelson emphasizes the importance of empowering journalists and fostering an innovative environment that prioritizes quality writing over traditional formulas. He considers this collaborative approach vital for the magazine's success and the increased demand for thoughtful journalism amidst the online noise.
Children and Historical Narratives: The Missing Complexity
Mary Wakefield and Dominic Sandbrook debate the shortcomings in children's history books, criticizing their overly simplistic portrayals of complex historical figures. They advocate for a more nuanced approach that respects children's capacity for understanding moral ambiguity and darker themes in history. Sandbrook notes the failure of contemporary books to engage young readers by dumbing down historic narratives, contrasting this with the captivating storytelling found in classic literature. The conversation champions a need for educational materials that challenge young minds while presenting history accurately.
Ultra-Processed Foods: A Heated Debate on Health Implications
A debate unfolds between Matthew Paris and Christopher van Tulleken about the health implications of ultra-processed foods, with Paris questioning the validity of existing classification systems. Van Tulleken stands firm on the emerging evidence linking ultra-processed foods to negative health outcomes, emphasizing the necessity for clear definitions in research. Both speakers acknowledge the complexity of studying the impact of food types, arguing for a balanced perspective that neither demonizes nor disregards the category of ultra-processed foods. This discourse reflects broader concerns regarding public health and consumer welfare.
Hotel Buffet Ethics: A Cultural Reflection
A lively discussion surrounds the ethics of taking food from hotel breakfast buffets, with Laurie Graham exploring the British tendency to pocket leftovers. While Graham grapples with her own hesitation, hotel manager Mark Jenkins asserts that this behavior crosses a line, likening it to theft. The conversation sheds light on cultural differences in dining practices and raises questions about the expectations hotels cultivate with their buffet offerings. It highlights the need for consumers to consider the ethics of their actions, especially in seemingly acceptable contexts like buffet dining.
This week is a special episode of the podcast where we are looking back on some of our favourite pieces from the magazine over the past year and revisiting some of the conversations we had around them.
First up: the Starmer supremacy
Let’s start with undoubtedly the biggest news of the year: Starmer’s supermajority and the first Labour government in 14 years. In April, we spoke to Katy Balls and Harriet Harman about just what a supermajority could mean for Keir Starmer. Listening back, it’s an incredibly interesting discussion to revisit. The aim of Katy’s piece was to communicate the internal problems that could arise from such a sweeping victory and, crucially, how Starmer might manage a historic cohort of backbenchers. One MP who knows about adjusting to life in government after a supermajority is Harriet Harman, former leader of the Labour party and a member of Tony Blair’s first cabinet. (01:51)
Reflections from the editor’s chair
The change in No. 10 Downing Street is, of course, not the only notable shake-up in Westminster this year. Fraser Nelson stepped down as editor of The Spectator in September after 15 years of wielding the editor’s pen, with 784 issues to his name. We sat down with him on his final day in the office to reflect on his time at 22 Old Queen Street. (08:31)
Do historians talk down to children?
In June, Mary Wakefield dedicated her column to this very question. She wrote about her experience trying to find engaging and challenging history books for her 8-year-old and compared the dumbed-down, one-dimensional version of history portrayed in modern children’s books with the classic Ladybird books of the 1960s. She joined the podcast to discuss this with Dominic Sandbrook, author of the Adventures in Time children’s book series and host of The Rest is History podcast. (17:18)
Are ultra-processed foods really so bad?
On The Edition podcast, we enjoy a fiery debate, and none was more heated than our discussion on ultra-processed foods. This debate, between columnist Matthew Parris and Christoffer van Tulleken, associate professor at UCL and author of the bestselling book Ultra-Processed People, took place in May. It was sparked by Matthew’s column on the myths surrounding ultra-processed foods—foods engineered to be hyper-palatable and typically containing preservatives, emulsifiers, sweeteners, artificial colours, flavours, and so on. Such additives are widely considered detrimental to our health. Matthew says we shouldn’t be worried, but we’ll let you decide. (29:10)
By whose values should we judge the past?
On the podcast, we showcase articles from across the magazine—from the front half to the life pages, to books and arts. One of the most intriguing books of the year was Joan Smith’s Unfortunately, she was a nymphomaniac: A New History of Rome’s Imperial Women. An eye-catching title that is ‘as thought-provoking as it is provocative’, as Daisy Dunn wrote in October. Many popular historians are singled out for their analysis of women in ancient Rome, including Professor Dame Mary Beard. In the interest of granting a right of reply, we invited Mary onto the podcast to discuss the merit of judging history by today’s standards. (49:40)
And finally: the politics of the breakfast buffet
We thought we would leave you with one of the most prescient discussions we had on the podcast this year: the politics of the hotel breakfast buffet. Is it ethical to pocket a sandwich at a hotel breakfast buffet? Laurie Graham explored that question in the magazine back in September. Specifically, she revealed the very British habit of swiping food from free breakfasts to save for lunch later in the day. Laurie joined us alongside Mark Jenkins, a former hotel manager in Torquay, whom listeners may remember from the Channel 4 documentary The Hotel. (01:04:04)
Hosted by William Moore and Lara Prendergast.
Produced by Oscar Edmondson and Patrick Gibbons.
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