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The Great Debasement with Alice Gribbin

Jun 10, 2022

02:05:21

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Empathy, Um, Is the Most Important Thing About Art

03:53

I Think It's, Uh, Ways of Seeing Teaches Really Well

05:08

The New York Intellectuals of the Thirties and Thirties

05:20

Introduction

3min

The Deference to Experts, Um, Is Funny

4min

Is There a Crisis of Authority in Universities?

3min

Museums and Crisis

2min

The Crises in the Museums

5min

Museums and Identity Crisis

2min

Museums, Um, You Know, Are Not Primarily About Bringing About Politiccal and Social Change?

4min

The New Definition of the Museum

4min

The Museum of the Pencil, Um, Is a Member of the Museum Council?

4min

10.

The Art of the Mama, Um, You Know?

5min

11.

The Dayton Museum, I'd Like to Go and See It.

6min

12.

Um, and Um, Um, It's All Just a Game, and It's All for Rich People

1min

13.

Utilitarianism in the Arts

5min

14.

The Utilitarians Have Really Taken Over

2min

15.

Um, You Know, the Utilitarian Turner

3min

16.

Um, Um, You Know, the Subversive Projects

4min

17.

Museums Are Doing the Same, Um, Mission Caught

3min

18.

Is There a Tension Between Art and Music?

6min

19.

Um, Uh, the Art Market and the Art Media

3min

20.

The Real Danger Art Is Coming From Our Institutions, Um, Right?

2min

21.

The Importance of Empathy in Art

3min

22.

The Importance of Empathy in Art

3min

23.

Empathy, Um, Is the Most Important Thing About Art

4min

24.

What's the Nature of This Crisis?

5min

25.

The Museums Have the Original Outworks

2min

26.

Um, Uh, I Think the Stakes Seem Much Higher Than People Within These Departments Realize.

3min

27.

Um, Uh, Um, Is It a Challenge for the Museums?

3min

28.

I've Seen Examples of This in Art Museum Contexts

4min

29.

Is It a Monoculture? Um, Um, I'm Not Sure

5min

30.

The New York Intellectuals of the Thirties and Thirties

5min

31.

Is the Art of the Future? Um, Um, It's a New Favor to All of This

4min

32.

Um, I'm Not Necessarily That Knowledgeable About It, but I Have A, a Final Question That Does Tito, That Berger's Ways of Seeing, Um, Um?

4min

33.

Art in Relation to Power, Right?

1min

34.

I Think It's, Uh, Ways of Seeing Teaches Really Well

5min

35.

Um, I'm Surprised It Doesn't Piss More People Off

4min

Essayist and poet Alice Gribbin joins me to discuss her recent essay in Tablet, "The Great Debasement," on the ideological transformation of museums and other cultural institutions into propaganda organs; the utilitarian attitude to art; the continued relevance of John Berger's "Ways of Seeing"; and more.

https://substack.com/profile/5192682-alice-gribbin

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/great-debasement-art

https://quillette.com/2021/06/05/the-artist-and-the-censor/