John Lee - Iron John's Legacy, Robert Bly, And Early Men's Work

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Nov 11, 2024

John Lee, a pioneer in self-help and men's issues, shares his wisdom on the mythopoetic men's movement, influenced by his friendship with Robert Bly. He discusses the relevance of 'Iron John' and how modern masculinity faces different challenges than in the past. The conversation delves into the importance of emotional vulnerability and mentorship for men today. Lee also contrasts the concepts of the 'dark father' archetype and the impacts of contemporary parenting styles on men's development. His insights reveal a thoughtful exploration of manhood in a changing world.

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Intro

00:00 • 4min

Honoring Mythic Masculinity

03:53 • 22min

Navigating Mother-Son Relationships

25:24 • 6min

Modern Masculinity and Its Challenges

31:41 • 10min

The Diminishing Masculine Core and Pillow Parenting

41:32 • 2min

Navigating Modern Masculinity and Mythology

43:21 • 7min

The Dynamics of Mentorship and Personal Growth

50:16 • 8min

Talking points: masculinity, culture, mythopoetics, Robert Bly, Iron John

Maybe you've heard it said that there are lots of "olders", but barely any elders. John Lee is one of the latter, in my opinion. A critical player in men's movements of the 90s and close friends with Robert Bly, John is a wealth of knowledge, insight, and honest talk—and no stranger to deep work. Listen in, team.

(00:00:00) - Intro, and what brought John to where he is today

(00:06:23) - The impact Robert Bly had on the mythopoetic men’s movement, and what that was

(00:20:36) - Why Iron John is still relevant

(00:31:41) - Are men struggling with different things now compared to the start of the mythopoetic men’s movement?

(00:38:58) - The dark father archetype, and the difference between Robert Bly and Jordan Peterson

(00:43:20) - What can the study of myth do for the average man, and how the manosphere falls short

John Lee is a pioneer in the fields of self-help, anger, codependency, creativity, recovery, relationships, and men’s issues. In the mental health field, he is considered the therapist’s therapist and regularly trains and mentors therapists on how to work with clients and how to work on themselves. He has taught his techniques and theories to thousands of individuals, couples, families, groups, corporations, and therapists all over the world. After 35 years of touring nationally and internationally, John Lee calls Austin, Texas his home.

Connect with John

-Website: https://johnleebooks.com/

-Seminar; From Hero To Elder: https://wakingheartschoolofwisdom.com/events/from_hero_to_elder/

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