John Lee, a pioneer in self-help and men's issues, shares his wisdom on the mythopoetic men's movement, influenced by his friendship with Robert Bly. He discusses the relevance of 'Iron John' and how modern masculinity faces different challenges than in the past. The conversation delves into the importance of emotional vulnerability and mentorship for men today. Lee also contrasts the concepts of the 'dark father' archetype and the impacts of contemporary parenting styles on men's development. His insights reveal a thoughtful exploration of manhood in a changing world.