
Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais Flow Genome Project's Jamie Wheal and Steven Kotler on Altered States of Consciousness and Stealing Fire
Mar 9, 2017
In this engaging conversation, Jamie Wheal, co-founder of the Flow Genome Project and culture architect, and Steven Kotler, co-founder and author, dive into the world of altered states of consciousness. They discuss how these states can enhance performance and creativity, revealing insights from their book, 'Stealing Fire.' The duo explores the significance of nature in personal growth, unexpected findings on happiness in business, and the science behind peak experiences. Listeners are encouraged to embrace mindfulness and community for deeper fulfillment.
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Surfing Sparked A Life Pivot
- Steven Kotler nearly killed himself during a three-year battle with Lyme disease and was unable to function.
- A single surfing session triggered profound altered-state experiences that catalyzed his recovery and lifelong study of flow.
A Global Circuit Of Ecstatic Seekers
- Jamie Wheal describes a global circuit where high performers converge in both highbrow and ecstatic events.
- He noticed the same drive toward non-ordinary states across very different communities and settings.
Old Mysteries, New Science
- Non-ordinary states (flow, psychedelics, meditation) share neurobiological signatures and historical precedent.
- We reran century-old observations with modern tools but still need the next generation of questions about source and function.






