The World Unpacked
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.
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Jun 6, 2019 • 40min
How to Negotiate With the Taliban
The United States is negotiating with the Taliban to end the longest war in U.S. history. But this isn’t the first time we’ve been at the table with them. What keeps us mired in this long, bloody, and complicated conflict? And is there actually a path out of it? Jen talks to Jarrett Blanc, who led negotiations with the Taliban as the Obama administration’s acting Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, about what the Trump administration is getting right.
Production assistance on this episode comes from Douglas Farrar

May 30, 2019 • 46min
"White, Male, and Yale"? How Women of Color are Changing National Security
As women of color take the lead in national security, how are they changing the conversation and the culture of the foreign policy community? Jen talks to Mareena Robinson Snowden and Bonnie Jenkins about their careers in nuclear policy, how more diverse voices lead to better policy outcomes, and how the culture of the national security community must grow to better foster inclusion and representation.
Follow Bonnie Jenkins' organization, Women of Color Advancing Peace (WCAPS) on Twitter at @WCAPSnet, and online at wcaps.org
Production assistance on this episode comes from Alma Burke

May 23, 2019 • 35min
Is Washington Blundering Into War With Iran?
The Trump administration has been has been ratcheting up the pressure on Iran over the past few weeks. As Trump and Zarif trade insults on Twitter, the United States has accused Iranian proxies of firing a missile into Baghdad and sabotaging oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman. Washington has responded by deploying an aircraft carrier and bombers to the region. What is each side hoping to get out of the escalating tensions? Could this brinkmanship spiral into a war that no one wants? Jen talks to Karim Sadjadpour and Suzanne Maloney about what it would take to get to the negotiating table.

May 16, 2019 • 37min
The End of ISIS?
President Trump said the Islamic State was defeated after they lost the last territory of their self-declared caliphate. But then they claimed credit for the Easter Sunday bombings in Sri Lanka, and elusive ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi appeared for the first time in five years, in a video praising the attack. Is ISIS really beaten, or are they just regrouping? Jen talks to Brett McGurk, former U.S. special presidential envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS, about these questions and more.
Read Brett's recent op-ed in Foreign Affairs about U.S. strategy in Syria, and his piece in the Washington Post about a GI Bill for diplomacy

May 9, 2019 • 28min
What Just Happened in Venezuela?
Today we're unpacking the news coming out of Venezuela. Jen talks to Moisés Naím about where the crisis in Venezuela came from, the showdown between Nicolás Maduro and Juan Guaidó, and why countries like Cuba, Russia, and the United States are so invested in what happens there. Listen to get smart on what's really happening in Venezuela.
Read Moisés' piece on Venezuela's suicide here.

May 2, 2019 • 15min
Sanctions 101
This is the first episode of a three-part special series on sanctions—a 101 course on how sanctions work and how policymakers should use them. This episode, Jen talks with her Jarrett Blanc about what sanctions are and how they work. To make sure you don’t miss anything, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Jarrett Blanc is a senior fellow in the Geoeconomics and Strategy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He was previously the deputy lead coordinator and State Department coordinator for Iran nuclear implementation at the U.S. Department of State under President Obama, responsible for the implementation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on Iran’s nuclear program, including Iranian and U.S. commitments on sanctions.
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Apr 25, 2019 • 27min
Hasan Minhaj on the Battle for the Soul of India
Milan chats with Indian-American comedian Hasan Minhaj, star of the hit Netflix show, Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj. In the season finale of Patriot Act, which aired on March 17, Minhaj turned his focus to the Indian general elections. In just half an hour, Minhaj covered topics ranging from Narendra Modi to the Congress Party’s corruption scams to the rising tide of nationalism—all with his trademark satirical humor. Milan speaks with Hasan about what it’s like commenting on Indian politics as a member of the Indian diaspora, why the 2019 election is a battle for the soul of India, and how forwards on a family WhatsApp group convinced him to do a show on Indian politics.
Check out Milan's weekly podcast, Grand Tamasha, at grandtamasha.com

Apr 18, 2019 • 23min
How Saudi Arabia and Iran Shape the Middle East
Jen talks to Karim Sadjadpour and Kim Ghattas about the rivalry between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and how it shapes the Middle East. This episode originally aired on March 30, 2018. We'll be back with a new name, a new look, and new episodes on May 9.

Apr 11, 2019 • 27min
The Largest Elections in History
879 million Indians head to the polls in the largest elections in history. Jen talks to Milan Vaishnav, host of Grand Tamasha, about what's at stake in the 2019 Indian general election. To learn more, check out Milan's explanation of the Indian elections, and listen to more election analysis on Milan's weekly podcast on Indian politics, Grand Tamasha.

Apr 4, 2019 • 16min
Trump’s Golan Heights Gambit and Kushner’s Rumored Peace Plan
What does Trump’s decision to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights mean for Israel, Syria, and the region? And what groundwork does it lay for Jared Kushner’s rumored Middle East peace plan? Jen talks to Marwan Muasher about his view on the prospects for peace, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political future.


