The World Unpacked
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
The World Unpacked is a weekly podcast where insiders, intellectuals, and iconoclasts dive deep into the most pressing global issues. In a time of violent convulsions and heady new possibilities, host Jon Bateman mixes it up with the thinkers making sense of what’s happening and the power brokers building what comes next. Tune in for lively, free-wheeling conversations with some of the world’s most interesting and informed people.
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Aug 8, 2019 • 25min
Moscow Takes to the Streets
Tens of thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets to protest the ban on opposition candidates in the upcoming Moscow city council elections. More than two thousand people have been arrested since the protests started, and opposition leaders, including Alexei Navalny, have been detained. What do these protestors want? And what might they mean for Putin’s political future?
Jen talks to Carnegie Moscow Center expert Alexander Gabuev about what's motivating the demonstrators, and why the government has cracked down so forcefully.
Aug 6, 2019 • 39min
Fighting White Supremacist Terrorism (Reposted)
In light of the horrifying shootings this weekend in the United States, and the ongoing conversation about the role of white supremacist ideology in at least one of these attacks, we’re re-sharing Jen’s recent conversation with terrorism and law enforcement expert Lisa Monaco from earlier this summer. Jen and Lisa talked about how law enforcement has approached the problem of white supremacist violence, what she learned from the experience of fighting Islamic extremists online, and the role of social media companies.
Aug 1, 2019 • 41min
Arms Control Meets Politics
In the darkest days of the Cold War, the United States and Soviet Union created, together, a way to control nuclear weapons. As the President Trump withdraws from the hallmark INF treaty and other agreements teeter on the brink, that system is on life support. How did we get here? Jen Psaki talks to Pranay Vaddi and Connor O'Brien about how to save arms control.
Jul 25, 2019 • 31min
Iran's Cyber War
While the loud, public conflict between the United States and Iran rages on, a secret war has been waged in the shadows for years. How dangerous is the cyberwar between the two countries? And how has the digital battlefield changed? Jen Psaki talks to Jon Bateman about the tools and strategies of both countries have developed, and what an all-out cyberwar would look like.
Jul 18, 2019 • 23min
Boris' Brighter Brexit
As Boris Johnson gears up for a probable victory in the British leadership election, can he deliver the Brexit deal that Theresa May failed to achieve? And what's the status of the U.S.-UK relationship after Trump's spat with now former British ambassador Sir Kim Darroch? Jen Psaki talks to Peter Kellner about May's legacy, the future of Brexit, and Johnson's promised trade deal with Trump.
Read more:
When Unstoppable Boris Meets Impassable Brexit
A Post-Brexit Election Is Looking Like Boris Johnson’s Best Bet
Jul 11, 2019 • 34min
Facial Recognition and the Surveillance State
Facial recognition has moved beyond matching two grainy photos. Abundant, networked cameras, cheap data storage, and powerful AI has made biometric surveillance more invasive than ever. China has built a massive surveillance state designed to monitor and incarcerate Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region, and now Chinese firms are trying to sell those same tools to countries in the Gulf. But they're not alone. U.S. firms, like IBM, Amazon, and Microsoft, also spy a lucrative new market. Jen talks to Buzzfeed's Megha Rajagopalan about how this technology has changed, how it is being used around the world, and how it might be regulated.
Read more of Megha's reporting:
Facial Recognition Technology Is Facing A Huge Backlash In The US. But Some Of The World’s Biggest Tech Companies Are Trying To Sell It In The Gulf
Here’s How China Uses An App To Repress Muslims
China Has Also Been Targeting Foreigners In Its Brutal Crackdown On Muslims
US Universities And Retirees Are Funding The Technology Behind China’s Surveillance State
Jul 4, 2019 • 33min
Trump's North Korea Gamble
Donald Trump just became the first sitting U.S. president to set foot inside North Korea. How did we get here? Is Trump's cozy relationship with Kim Jong-un enough to get a deal done? And what's going to happen next? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Toby Dalton about how to keep track of the dizzying roller coaster of the U.S.-North Korea relationship.
Jun 27, 2019 • 23min
Hong Kong's Protesters Aren't Going Anywhere
The people of Hong Kong have taken to the streets in the largest protests the city has ever seen. A controversial extradition treaty sparked demonstrations that have lasted for weeks, but now that the bill has been withdrawn, what's keeping protesters on the streets? What does Hong Kong’s long-simmering dispute with Beijing boil down to? And what does the showdown between protestors and Hong Kong’s leaders mean for the city’s future? Jen talks to CNN's Kristie Lu Stout to get a sense of how things look on the ground.
Jun 20, 2019 • 27min
Sudan's Revolution in Progress
Khartoum erupted in violence on June 3, as its transitional military government attacked and killed more than 100 peaceful protestors. But didn’t Sudan just oust a dictator? What’s happened since then? And what can the international community do help avoid a humanitarian catastrophe?
Jen talks to Amr Hassan Sayed about Sudan's protests, the complicated political forces colliding on the ground, and how the civilian protestors are learning the lessons of the Arab Spring

Jun 13, 2019 • 46min
White Supremacist Terrorism Has Gone Global
White supremacist terrorism has gone global. Racially motivated mass murderers have targeted Muslims worshipping in New Zealand, Jewish synagogues in Pittsburgh and San Diego, church goers in South Carolina, and kids at a summer camp in Norway. Many of these attackers were radicalized online, and have claimed inspiration from each other. Are we watching the rise of a new international terrorist network? And what tools do we need to fight it? Jen talks to Lisa Monaco, who served as President Obama’s homeland security adviser, about how the United States should apply the lessons learned in fighting other terrorist networks


