
The World Unpacked
The World Unpacked is a biweekly foreign policy podcast hosted by Sophia Besch that breaks down the hottest global issues of today with experts, journalists, and policymakers who can explain what is happening, why it matters, and where we go from here. Tune in to get smart on foreign policy.
Latest episodes

Sep 12, 2019 • 27min
The Fight Over Kashmir
Kashmir has been contested land since the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. It has been a flashpoint for political tension and the site of multiple wars. But last month, the Indian government made a bold move, changing the Indian constitution and revoking the special status of Indian-occupied Kashmir – which was also India’s only Muslim-majority state. At the same time, they shut down telecommunications, arrested political leadership, and moved in thousands of additional troops. What does all of this mean for Kashmiris? And will we see another armed conflict between India and Pakistan? Jen talks to Paul Staniland about where the conflict came from, and where it might go next.

Sep 5, 2019 • 27min
Making Peace with the Taliban
On Monday, U.S. negotiators signaled that they had nearly finalized a long-sought agreement that is a step toward ending the American conflict with the Taliban. What does the deal contain? And does it really mean that the war in Afghanistan is over? Jen talks to Jarrett Blanc and Frances Brown about the long peace process ahead.
Read: Jarrett's Washington Post oped, "We Need to take the Best Deal We Can Get in Afghanistan"

Aug 15, 2019 • 30sec
Summer Break
Like most of DC, we're going to take a few weeks off this August. We'll be back in September with more episodes. If there's a topic in foreign policy you'd like us to unpack, tweet @CarnegieEndow with #WorldUnpacked.

Aug 8, 2019 • 25min
Moscow Takes to the Streets
Tens of thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets to protest the ban on opposition candidates in the upcoming Moscow city council elections. More than two thousand people have been arrested since the protests started, and opposition leaders, including Alexei Navalny, have been detained. What do these protestors want? And what might they mean for Putin’s political future?
Jen talks to Carnegie Moscow Center expert Alexander Gabuev about what's motivating the demonstrators, and why the government has cracked down so forcefully.

Aug 6, 2019 • 39min
Fighting White Supremacist Terrorism (Reposted)
In light of the horrifying shootings this weekend in the United States, and the ongoing conversation about the role of white supremacist ideology in at least one of these attacks, we’re re-sharing Jen’s recent conversation with terrorism and law enforcement expert Lisa Monaco from earlier this summer. Jen and Lisa talked about how law enforcement has approached the problem of white supremacist violence, what she learned from the experience of fighting Islamic extremists online, and the role of social media companies.

Aug 1, 2019 • 41min
Arms Control Meets Politics
In the darkest days of the Cold War, the United States and Soviet Union created, together, a way to control nuclear weapons. As the President Trump withdraws from the hallmark INF treaty and other agreements teeter on the brink, that system is on life support. How did we get here? Jen Psaki talks to Pranay Vaddi and Connor O'Brien about how to save arms control.

Jul 25, 2019 • 31min
Iran's Cyber War
While the loud, public conflict between the United States and Iran rages on, a secret war has been waged in the shadows for years. How dangerous is the cyberwar between the two countries? And how has the digital battlefield changed? Jen Psaki talks to Jon Bateman about the tools and strategies of both countries have developed, and what an all-out cyberwar would look like.

Jul 18, 2019 • 23min
Boris' Brighter Brexit
As Boris Johnson gears up for a probable victory in the British leadership election, can he deliver the Brexit deal that Theresa May failed to achieve? And what's the status of the U.S.-UK relationship after Trump's spat with now former British ambassador Sir Kim Darroch? Jen Psaki talks to Peter Kellner about May's legacy, the future of Brexit, and Johnson's promised trade deal with Trump.
Read more:
When Unstoppable Boris Meets Impassable Brexit
A Post-Brexit Election Is Looking Like Boris Johnson’s Best Bet

Jul 11, 2019 • 34min
Facial Recognition and the Surveillance State
Facial recognition has moved beyond matching two grainy photos. Abundant, networked cameras, cheap data storage, and powerful AI has made biometric surveillance more invasive than ever. China has built a massive surveillance state designed to monitor and incarcerate Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region, and now Chinese firms are trying to sell those same tools to countries in the Gulf. But they're not alone. U.S. firms, like IBM, Amazon, and Microsoft, also spy a lucrative new market. Jen talks to Buzzfeed's Megha Rajagopalan about how this technology has changed, how it is being used around the world, and how it might be regulated.
Read more of Megha's reporting:
Facial Recognition Technology Is Facing A Huge Backlash In The US. But Some Of The World’s Biggest Tech Companies Are Trying To Sell It In The Gulf
Here’s How China Uses An App To Repress Muslims
China Has Also Been Targeting Foreigners In Its Brutal Crackdown On Muslims
US Universities And Retirees Are Funding The Technology Behind China’s Surveillance State

Jul 4, 2019 • 33min
Trump's North Korea Gamble
Donald Trump just became the first sitting U.S. president to set foot inside North Korea. How did we get here? Is Trump's cozy relationship with Kim Jong-un enough to get a deal done? And what's going to happen next? Jen talks to Carnegie expert Toby Dalton about how to keep track of the dizzying roller coaster of the U.S.-North Korea relationship.