
The World Unpacked
The World Unpacked is a biweekly foreign policy podcast hosted by Sophia Besch that breaks down the hottest global issues of today with experts, journalists, and policymakers who can explain what is happening, why it matters, and where we go from here. Tune in to get smart on foreign policy.
Latest episodes

Feb 7, 2019 • 23min
Eliot Engel on the Foreign Policy Priorities of the New Democratic Majority
Jarrett Blanc stands in for Jen to talk to Eliot Engel, the chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, about where the Democrats want to take U.S. foreign policy.
Go Deeper:
Watch Chairman Engel's event at Carnegie.

Jan 31, 2019 • 24min
How to Negotiate with Iran and North Korea
Nuclear talks with Iran and North Korea have taken over the headlines, building on years of diplomacy that often goes unseen. Jen talks to Suzanne DiMaggio, who has been negotiating behind the scenes with the Iranians and North Koreans for twenty years.

Jan 24, 2019 • 34min
Erdoğan's Turkey
Since Turkey’s President Erdoğan took office in 2014, he has consolidated power and squashed dissent, while angling for a larger role on the global stage. Jen talks to Henri Barkey about how Erdoğan has changed Turkey, Barkey’s purported role in the 2016 coup, and where Erdoğan’s ambitions are taking him.
More about Henri Barkey

Jan 17, 2019 • 20min
What's Next for Brexit?
After the historic defeat of Theresa May’s Brexit deal, Jen talks to Carnegie expert Peter Kellner about what happened and what’s next for the United Kingdom.
Peter Kellner is a visiting scholar at Carnegie Europe, where his research focuses on Brexit, populism, and electoral democracy.
Go Deeper:
Read Peter's take on what's coming next for Theresa May.
Learn more about Peter Kellner.

Jan 10, 2019 • 19min
Enemy of My Enemy: Why Russia and China Are Growing Closer
As the United States adopts an increasingly confrontational international posture, the ties between Russia and China are deepening. Should the West be concerned? Jen talks to Carnegie Moscow expert Alexander Gabuev about what’s bringing them together, and the consequences for the United States.
Go Deeper:
Read Sasha's piece on how U.S. policies are pushing Russia and China closer together.

Jan 3, 2019 • 31min
Can America Still Lead the World?
Jen talks to Jake Sullivan about why he wants to reclaim the idea of American exceptionalism and how the next president can restore American global influence.
Jake Sullivan is a nonresident senior fellow in Carnegie's Geoeconomics and Strategy Program. Read his piece in the Atlantic, "What Donald Trump and Dick Cheney Got Wrong About America."

Dec 20, 2018 • 36min
Holiday Roundup 2018
Jen talks to Carnegie experts Jarrett Blanc, Kate Charlet, and Karim Sadjadpour about the most important events of 2018 and what to look for in the year ahead.
Jarrett Blanc is a senior fellow in the Geoeconomics and Strategy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He is an expert on sanctions, as well as Afghanistan.
Katherine Charlet is the inaugural director of Carnegie’s Technology and International Affairs Program. She works primarily on the security and international implications of evolving technologies, with a focus on cybersecurity and cyber conflict, biotechnology, and artificial intelligence.
Karim Sadjadpour is a senior fellow at Carnegie, where he focuses on Iran and U.S. foreign policy toward the Middle East.
We want to hear from you! Write to us at diplopod@ceip.org, or call us at 202-939-2247. Leave us a voicemail and we might use your question on a future episode. You can also talk to us on Twitter using #DiploPod. And follow Jen on Twitter.

Dec 13, 2018 • 25min
A Foreign Policy for the American Middle Class
After the 2016 election, there are significant questions about whether America’s role in the world and our foreign policy are helping the American middle class. Carnegie expert Salman Ahmed has spent the last year focusing on how American foreign policy decisions on trade, defense, and more impacts Ohio. Today, Jen talks with him about his work, what he learned, and how his views have changed.
Salman Ahmed is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, where he focuses on the future of U.S. national security strategy and its role in promoting national economic interests. Read his report on how foreign policy decisions impact the middle class in Ohio.
We want to hear from you! Write to us at diplopod@ceip.org, or call us at 202-939-2247. Leave us a voicemail and we might use your question on a future episode. You can also talk to us on Twitter using #DiploPod. And follow Jen on Twitter.
Go Deeper:
Watch former White House chiefs of staff Joshua Bolten and Denis McDonough discuss how U.S. foreign policymakers can do better for the middle class

Dec 6, 2018 • 18min
NATO 101: NATO and the War on Terror
This week we’re digging into NATO—what it is, how it’s changed, and where it’s headed. Today, Jen talks to Simon Gass, who served as NATO’s senior civilian representative to Afghanistan. They discuss what NATO brings to an operation like Afghanistan, and what it would take to mobilize the alliance again. Don’t miss the first two episodes in this series, and stay tuned for more 101 series in the coming months. Simon Gass is the commandant of the UK's Royal College of Defense Studies, and served as NATO’s senior civilian representative to Afghanistan from 2011 to 2012. We want to hear from you! Write to us at diplopod@ceip.org, or call us at 202-939-2247. Leave us a voicemail and we might use your question on a future episode. You can also talk to us on Twitter using #DiploPod. And follow Jen on Twitter: twitter.com/JRPsaki Go Deeper: More about Simon Gass: https://www.da.mod.uk/about-us/management-team/sir-simon-gass-biography

Dec 5, 2018 • 26min
NATO 101: Does Europe Need NATO?
This week we’re digging into NATO—what it is, how it’s changed, and where it’s headed. Today, Jen talks to Carnegie expert and former Slovak ambassador to NATO, Tomáš Valášek, about how NATO looks from Europe. They discuss Trump’s complaints about NATO funding, what to make of talk of an EU army, and how Russia’s renewed aggression is challenging the alliance. Don’t miss yesterday’s episode on how NATO works, and tune in tomorrow for a conversation about NATO in Afghanistan. Tomáš Valášek is the director of Carnegie Europe, and previously served as permanent representative of the Slovak Republic to NATO. We want to hear from you! Write to us at diplopod@ceip.org, or call us at 202-939-2247. Leave us a voicemail and we might use your question on a future episode. You can also talk to us on Twitter using #DiploPod. And follow Jen on Twitter: twitter.com/JRPsaki Go Deeper: More about Tomáš Valášek: https://carnegieeurope.eu/experts/1336 Read Tomáš‘s take on Trump’s approach to NATO: https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/76814