“How do we find strength in faith when faced with betrayal, trauma, and public scrutiny?” In this episode, Jesse sits down with Grammy-winning rapper, bestselling author, and activist Lecrae to dive deep into faith, resilience, and self-awareness. Lecrae opens up about his journey through complex trauma, father wounds, and the pressures of fame—all while pursuing spiritual growth. He shares how deconstructing and rebuilding his faith helped him find a deeper sense of purpose and identity, even amid public criticism and personal doubt. Together, they explore the challenges of maintaining integrity in the public eye and the importance of knowing oneself to truly serve others. The conversation wraps with Lecrae’s insights on relating better, where he challenges listeners to see others for who they are, not just who we want them to be.Learn about LecraeFind Say More cards and digital decks.Heather Holleman's The Six ConversationsRelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this series premiere, Jesse and Lindsey explore the problems of loneliness and polarization in many of our lives. What's the antidote? Learning how to connect with each other through meaningful conversations. They discuss four essential tips for having good conversations and then decide to put their tips into practice with each other.Find Say More cards and digital decks.Heather Holleman's The Six ConversationsRelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

This episode originally aired in 2019. Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Sam Stevenson discuss the importance of self-care through the lens of the Enneagram. They interview author and therapist Chuck DeGroat, who shares his tips on living a balanced, whole-hearted life. The gang plays I Know What You Need, where Jesse and Sam try to sell improvised products for specific Enneagram types. Also, everyone answers listener questions about self-care.RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk with I Like To Make Stuff's Bob Clagett. Bob doesn't know his Enneagram type and agrees to participate in an Enneagram typing interview. In the end, Jesse and Lindsey each give their thoughts on Bob's Enneagram Core Type.Connect with Bob: https://iliketomakestuff.com/Check out I Like To Make Stuff on YouTubeRelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk with author and Enneagram teacher, Beatrice Chestnut about the fixation of each type and how their fixation causes problems in the way they perceive, process and present. Beatrice also gives great practices to help people identify the fixations in real-time and begin the work of growth.RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey wrap up the series on Moving Beyond Your Type’s Patterns. Spiritual director and author, Clare Loughrige, joins the show to discuss ways the enneagram has helped her move beyond her type as well as share some direction for those seeking to grow in their understanding of themselves and their relationship with God.Connect with Clare.RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk about how Type 9s can move beyond their core type patterns by incorporating tools from Type 6 and Type 3. Anne Bogel, creator of The Modern Mrs. Darcy, joins the show and shares how she came to realize she was a Type 9 and the ways she uses tools from other types in her life. Everyone plays Trial by Trolley, where Jesse and Lindsey will make Anne make a choice between two impossible situations!Connect with AnneRelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk about how Type 8s can move beyond their core type patterns by incorporating tools from Type 5 and Type 2. Author and speaker, Shannan Martin, joins the show and shares how she came to realize she was a Type 8 and the ways she uses tools from other types to bring balance in her life. Everyone plays Pick Your Poison where Jesse and Lindsey will try to predict what Shannan will choose when put between a rock and hard place. by incorporating tools from Type 5 and Type 2. Author and speaker, Shannan Martin, joins the show and shares how she came to realize she was a Type 8 and the ways she uses tools from other types to bring balance in her life. Everyone plays Pick Your Poison where Jesse and Lindsey try to predict what Shannan will choose when put between a rock and a hard place.Connect with ShannanRelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk about how Type 7s can move beyond their core type patterns by incorporating tools from Type 1 and Type 5. Enneagram and Marriage author and podcaster, Christa Hardin, joins the show and shares how she's experienced an overattachment to optimism and new experiences. She also talks about the ways she uses tools from other types in her personal life and work. Everyone plays Trial by Trolley, a game with a series of moral dilemmas, where Christa has to decide between a scientist with the cure for cancer or her grandma.Connect with ChristaEnneagram + MarriageFind a workshop!

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk about how Type 6s can move beyond their type patterns by incorporating tools from Type 9 and Type 3. Pastor and Author, Dr. Jamaal Williams, joins the show and shares how he came to realize he was a Type 6 and the ways he uses tools from other types in his ministry and spiritual life.Connect with JamaalLEAVE A REVIEW FOR "HOW WE RELATE" ON...AmazonGoodReadsBarnes & NobleTarget