
UTOKing with Gregg
We are seeking a coherent, naturalistic ontology that can revitalize the human soul and spirit in the 21 stCentury.
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Feb 13, 2022 • 1h 21min
Ep 46 | UTOKing with Brandon Norgaard | Approaches to the Meta-Crises
In Episode 46, Gregg welcomes Brandon Norgaard. He is an author, researcher, community organizer, and founder of The Enlightened Worldview Project, which works to bridge different perspectives and explore community efforts for expanding cultural and conscious evolution. In this episode, he shares with Gregg his recent mapping of the liminal web and the various approaches different communities are taking to the meta-crises. As such, this episode affords listeners a good map of this "corner of the internet" and the various lines of thought that are emerging.
--- 📘 Resources mentioned in this episode 📘 ---
📃 Tasting the Pickle: Ten flavours of meta-crisis and the appetite for a new civilisation https://systems-souls-society.com/tasting-the-pickle-ten-flavours-of-meta-crisis-and-the-appetite-for-a-new-civilisation/
📃 Comparing Approaches to Addressing the Meta-Crisis: https://medium.com/@brandon_29259/comparing-approaches-to-addressing-the-meta-crisis-9393e6ee17d7
🎞️ The Memetic Tribes of the Meta-Crisis w/ Brandon Norgaard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHwkb35MkQ&t=1s
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Brandon Norgaard ℹ️ ---
The Enlightenment Worldview Project: https://www.enlightenedworldview.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-norgaard-395b224a/
Facebook: https://de-de.facebook.com/brandon.norgaard.3
Medium: https://medium.com/@brandon_29259/about
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Jan 31, 2022 • 1h 16min
Ep 45 | UTOKing with Michael Mascolo | Psychology, the Academy, and the Meaning Crisis
In Episode 45, Gregg welcomes Dr. Michael Mascolo. He is a Professor of Psychology at Merrimack College, and a renowned scholar in developmental and relational approaches in psychology. Among his many accomplishments, he is author and editor of numerous books and over a hundred professional articles, as well as the Values Matter blog on Psychology Today. He is also founder of Creating Common Ground, and an Executive Member of the TOK Society. In this conversation, he shares with Gregg his analysis of how human meaning and experience are fundamentally intersubjective in nature and what this means for a science of psychology and, more broadly, the structure and function of the academy and the current meaning crisis.
--- 📘 Resources mentioned in this episode 📘 ---
📘 World Hypotheses: A Study in Evidence by Stephen C. Pepper
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2498285.World_Hypotheses
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Michael Mascolo ℹ️ ---
Homepage: http://michaelmascolo.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MichaelFMascolo
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/values-matter
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelmascolo/
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Jan 24, 2022 • 1h 37min
Ep 44 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #4 | Trans-justificatory Reflections
In Episode 44, Gregg continues his ongoing exploration of UTOK with Layman Pascal. The previous episodes explored UTOK's framing of DSM-type pathology and "higher" form of pathology, as might be found in visionaries or so-called crazy geniuses. This conversation explores UTOK's Justification Systems Theory and then moves to reflect on what might be "trans-justificatory". That is, once we understand humans as justifying apes from a naturalistic perspective, what kinds of conscious evolution might be considered from that vantage point and can humans in some ways transcend their immersion in justification space.
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Layman Pascal ℹ️ ---
previous conversation:
Ep 2 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal | The Greatest Conversation in the History of Discourse: https://youtu.be/5viX0P_Kbrc
Ep 36 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #2 | The UTOK's DSM: https://youtu.be/d1jlZ3K2vh4
Ep 39 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #3 | Higher Pathology: https://youtu.be/nMZJOVRaZvo
Substack: https://laymanpascal.substack.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liquidsyntax
The Integral Stage on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaA4zkLRnR3lGm8Y7c5Tvdw
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Jan 17, 2022 • 1h 43min
Ep 43 | UTOKing with Bernardo Kastrup | Analytic Idealism
In Episode 43, Gregg welcomes Bernardo Kastrup. He is the executive director of the Essentia Foundation, and his work is leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has doctoral degrees in philosophy and computer engineering, and he has authored many works and given many interviews delineating analytic idealism and why it affords the best ontological view. In this conversation, Bernardo provides an overview of analytic idealism, and he and Gregg explore its relation with UTOK. They demonstrate some key areas of alignment, especially in their shared critique of reductive physicalism, explore some overlap between Bernardo's concept of Mind-at-large and the Energy Information Implicate Order on the Tree of Knowledge System. They also riff on how UTOK frames metacognition, and Gregg introduces Justification Systems Theory to Bernardo and the two explore possible future domains in which the two systems might complement each other.
--- 📘 Resources mentioned in this episode 📘 ---
🌐 Essentia Foundation: https://www.essentiafoundation.org/
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Bernardo Kastrup ℹ️ ---
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeDZCa3VrRQvzBlVR-oVVmA
Twitter: https://twitter.com/BernardoKastrup
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BernardoKastrup/
GoodReads: https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4552692.Bernardo_Kastrup
GoogleScholar: https://scholar.google.nl/citations?user=wFypi3MAAAAJ&hl=en
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 27min
Ep 42 | UTOKing with Brad Kershner | Toward a Holistic Philosophy of Education
In Episode 42, Gregg welcomes Dr. Brad Kershner. Brad is the Dean of the Kimberton Waldorf School. In addition to being an educational scholar and leader, he is the author of Understanding Educational Complexity: Integrating Practices and Perspectives for 21st Century Leadership. His research, teaching, and writing cover a wide range of topics, including education, leadership, parenting, race, technology, metamodernism, integral theory, meditation, developmental psychology, complexity, and sociocultural emergence. In this conversation with Gregg, Brad shares his narrative and the sync up on the themes necessary to cultivate a philosophically rich, holistic approach to education.
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Brad ℹ️ ---
Twitter: https://twitter.com/bradkershner
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradkershner
on The Jim Rutt Show: https://www.jimruttshow.com/brad-kershner/
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Dec 27, 2021 • 1h 23min
Ep 41 | UTOKing with Carla Groom | The Problems with a Methods-Based Approach to Psychology
In Episode 41, Gregg welcomes Dr. Carla Groom. She is a "behavioral science pioneer" who works as Deputy Director for the Behavioral Science Unit in the Department of Work and Pensions in the United Kingdom. She received her doctorate in social psychology from Northwestern University, during which she realized there was a serious structural problem with how the methods-based approach to empirical research framed issues in psychological science. She went on to become a leading thinker in policy and organizational decision-making. In this conversation, she recounts her narrative, which includes major policy successes in the UK, and she and Gregg converse about why the empirical, methods based approach to behavioral science is flawed and how an approach grounded in the ontology of human mental behavior mapped by UTOK affords a radically different, and more helpful view.
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Carla ℹ️ ---
LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/carla-groom-5bb77031
Twitter: https://twitter.com/carla_groom
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Dec 20, 2021 • 1h 22min
Ep 40 | UTOKing with Fanny Norlin | Gracefully Syncing Feminine and Masculine Energies
In Episode 40, Gregg welcomes Fanny Norlin. She is a leading coach and business consultant who specializes in feminine leadership, strategy, grasping complexity, scaling ideas and systems thinking, and the relationship between the feminine and masculine energies. This conversation explores Fanny's perspective, narrative, and history in developing her evolving perspective on feminine leadership, and then lines it up with UTOK's frame for understanding the Living, Mental and Cultural dimensions, as well as the kind of healthy, productive dance that can emerge between the masculine and feminine when they are positioned in right relationship to each other.
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Fanny Norlin ℹ️ ---
LinkedIn: https://se.linkedin.com/in/fannynorlin
Medium: https://fannynorlin.medium.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fannynorlin/
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Dec 13, 2021 • 1h 44min
Ep 39 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #3 | Higher Pathology
In Episode 39, Gregg once again welcomes Layman Pascal back to the program (see Episode 2 and Episode 36). In this episode (which will be jointly shared on the Integral Stage) they continue their exploration into the implications UTOK has for human functioning, transcendence, transformation, and psychopathology by exploring the concept of "higher pathology." The conversation started with reflections on Nietzsche's character structure and reflections on the complicated relationship between brilliance, wisdom and pathological ways of being in the world, and what are the kinds of reflective questions that can be brought to bear to explore these issues.
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Layman Pascal ℹ️ ---
previous conversation:
Ep 2 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal | The Greatest Conversation in the History of Discourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5viX0P_Kbrc
Ep 36 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #2 | The UTOK's DSM: https://youtu.be/d1jlZ3K2vh4
Substack: https://laymanpascal.substack.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liquidsyntax
The Integral Stage on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaA4zkLRnR3lGm8Y7c5Tvdw
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system

Dec 6, 2021 • 1h 33min
Ep 38 | UTOKing with Zak Stein #2 | Making Consilient Choices
In Episode 38, Gregg welcomes back Dr. Zak Stein (see Episode 8). Well-known in the metamodern space, Zak is educational philosopher and author of many well-known articles and essays, and the book Education in a Time Between Worlds: Essays on the Future of Schools, Technology, and Society. He is also a contributor to the Consilience Project, where among other things he has taken a lead role on a powerful four-part series of essays on propaganda and the current social media environment (see here, here, here, and here). This conversation reviews Zak's analysis of education, propaganda and the concept of undue influence, and syncs it up with UTOK's frame, especially regarding the dynamics of justification, investment, influence and the nature of thought control.
--- 📘 Resources mentioned in this episode 📘 ---
The 4 part Series on Propaganda:
📃 Part 1: It's a MAD Information War: https://consilienceproject.org/its-a-mad-information-war/
📃 Part 2: WE DON'T MAKE PROPAGANDA! THEY DO!: https://consilienceproject.org/we-dont-make-propaganda-they-do/
📃 Part 3: The End of Propaganda: https://consilienceproject.org/the_end_of_propaganda/
📃 Part 4: Social Media Enables Undue Influence: https://consilienceproject.org/social-media-enables-undue-influence/
📘 Dark Persuasion: A History of Brainwashing from Pavlov to Social Media by Joel E. Dimsdale: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57220251-dark-persuasion
📘 Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of 'brainwashing' in China by Robert Jay Lifton: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/549257.Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism
📃 Taiwan's Digital Democracy: https://consilienceproject.org/taiwans-digital-democracy/
📘 The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power
by Shoshana Zuboff: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26195941-the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Zak Stein ℹ️ ---
Education in a Time Between Worlds: Essays on the Future of Schools, Technology, and Society: https://www.amazon.com/Education-Time-Between-Worlds-Technology/dp/0986282677
Zak's Homepage: http://www.zakstein.org/
Zak's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-stein-757b528
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system
--- 🕰️ Timestamps 🕰️ ---
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:25 Recapping "Towards a Metapsychology that is true to Transformation"
00:04:48 The Consilience Project
00:19:03 Renting Time With the Brainwashing Machine
00:27:31 The Undue Influence of Social Media
00:39:13 The Problem With Regulating the Brainwashing Machine
00:55:59 Differentiating Between Propaganda and Education
01:17:40 The Race Between Heaven and Hell
01:27:57 The Critical Path

Nov 22, 2021 • 1h 19min
Ep 37 | UTOKing with Tim Freke | Building the Science-Spirituality Bridge
In Episode 37, Gregg welcomes Tim Freke. Tim Freke is a pioneering philosopher whose bestselling books, inspirational talks, and life-changing events have touched the hearts and minds of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. He has been recognized as one of ‘The 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People,’ and is the author of 35 books, including a top 6 Amazon ‘Surprise Bestseller’ and Daily Telegraph 'Book of the Year'. In this episode, Tim shares with Gregg his spiritual journey from his childhood into his current picture of an evolving spiritual cosmic vision. He discusses his concept of "unividualism" and he and Gregg discuss how it aligns with the UTOK cosmology. Indeed, in this conversation there are striking parallels in how Tim moved from spirituality to being more scientifically grounded, where Gregg starts in science and finds his way toward a spiritual worldview.
--- 📘 Resources mentioned in this episode 📘 ---
🌐 on Unividualism: https://timfreke.com/UNIVIDUALISM-.aspx
📘 Soul Story by Tim Freke: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31863045-soul-story
📘 The Jesus Mysteries: Was the "Original Jesus" a Pagan God?
by Tim Freke, Peter Gandy: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223887.The_Jesus_Mysteries
🌐 The International Community of Unividuals: https://timfreke.com/ICU.aspx
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Tim Freke ℹ️ ---
Tim's Homepage: https://timfreke.com/
Tim on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFreke/
Tim on Twitter: https://twitter.com/timfreke
Tim's latest Book: Soul Story: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31863045-soul-story
--- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ ---
Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd
Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx
--- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 ---
Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/
Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge
--- 🕰️ Timestamps 🕰️ ---
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:48 About Tim / Existential Awareness
00:10:13 Evolutionary Narrative
00:29:00 The Autodidactic Universe
00:46:34 The Unividual
00:52:31 Toward an Emerging Perennial Philosophy
01:10:15 Tim on Spirituality
01:12:14 International Community of Unividuals (ICU)
01:16:27 Tim's outlook on the Future
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