In Episode 44, Gregg continues his ongoing exploration of UTOK with Layman Pascal. The previous episodes explored UTOK's framing of DSM-type pathology and "higher" form of pathology, as might be found in visionaries or so-called crazy geniuses. This conversation explores UTOK's Justification Systems Theory and then moves to reflect on what might be "trans-justificatory". That is, once we understand humans as justifying apes from a naturalistic perspective, what kinds of conscious evolution might be considered from that vantage point and can humans in some ways transcend their immersion in justification space.    --- ℹ️ Find out more about Layman Pascal ℹ️ --- previous conversation: Ep 2 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal | The Greatest Conversation in the History of Discourse: https://youtu.be/5viX0P_Kbrc Ep 36 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #2 | The UTOK's DSM: https://youtu.be/d1jlZ3K2vh4 Ep 39 | UTOKing with Layman Pascal #3 | Higher Pathology: https://youtu.be/nMZJOVRaZvo   Substack: https://laymanpascal.substack.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liquidsyntax The Integral Stage on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaA4zkLRnR3lGm8Y7c5Tvdw   --- ℹ️ Find out more about Gregg Henriques ℹ️ --- Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx   --- 🌳 The Unified Theory of Knowledge 🌳 --- Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/ Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system