
Build a Better Agency Podcast
Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.
Latest episodes

Nov 27, 2023 • 58min
EP 425: The agency owner’s game plan for 2024 with Drew McLellan
As 2023 comes to a close, agency owners are urged to create their game plan for 2024. The episode offers action items to improve your agency, such as tightening your budget, growing existing clients, and reevaluating your team. Prioritizing existing clients for growth is also highlighted. The importance of providing a vision for employees and expressing gratitude is emphasized.

Nov 20, 2023 • 51min
EP 424:The key to winning over right-fit clients in any economy with Jason Swenk
Finding right-fit clients, especially in a slow economy, is always a frustrating task. For the past year or so, agency owners have been expressing more and more frustrations over finding and keeping good clients at the right price point. In this episode, Jason Swenk shares some tips and tricks about what he sees agencies doing right when it comes to client acquisition that keeps them profitable even in the toughest economies. He shares the 3 main channels where agencies can find right-fit clients — hint: it’s got nothing to do with referrals — that position your agency as a must-have problem solver for prospects. If you’re ready to find the perfect clients, get paid what you’re worth (or more), and make them feel like they can’t live without your services, this is your episode. You’ll learn some tangible tips for impressing clients and staying ahead of the curve to keep them interested. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What the agencies who are getting new clients are doing right Getting clear on the types of clients you want to go after Why you shouldn’t rely on referrals as your main client go-getter Figuring out how to solve your clients’ problems innovatively The 3 main channels you should be resourcing to find right-fit clients Why podcasting is one of the greatest inbound sales channels Creating an attractive offer ladder without using retainers What does the agency of the future look like? 2 of the biggest challenges agencies need to anticipate for the future

Nov 13, 2023 • 57min
EP 423: How to ask like an auctioneer when making negotiations with Dia Bondi
We’ve all lowballed ourselves when going into negotiations. Whether it was for a raise, a proposal to a new client, a request to be a keynote speaker or a promotion, we’ve probably left opportunity on the table without even realizing it. The good news is that it’s extremely common, so you’re not alone. But the bad news is that you could probably be getting so much more than you realize, but you’re not asking in the right way. This week, Dia Bondi teaches us how to ask like an auctioneer in negotiations. At auctions, you’re not looking for an immediate yes. You’re searching until you ultimately find that no, and that’s where the fun really begins. You never know what you can get until you ask, but if you never receive that initial “no” and start the negotiation process, you’ll never know where the ceiling of potential is for your ask. So, in this episode, Dia encourages us to step out of our comfort zones and challenge ourselves to maximize our potential to further ourselves and our careers by learning to ask like an auctioneer. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: What it means to ask like an auctioneer Finding your ZOFO Why you should always look for a no to maximize the potential of your proposals The 4 different types of asks you can make What to do when you’re met with a no The Boomerang Effect that can turn a no into a yes later on The 6-step framework that will build your confidence in negotiations Letting go of asking for what you think you deserve What to do when the “no” is a hard no

Nov 6, 2023 • 54min
EP 422: Optimizing agency operations with 90-minute business ‘sabbaticals’ with Alyson Caffrey
Usually, a sabbatical is for people who need time to rest and recharge. But did you know that sabbaticals are important for your agency operations, too? This week, we’re taking a different approach to the ongoing conversation we’ve been having about systems and processes, agency operations, and ways to optimize your business growth. From Alyson Caffrey’s perspective, it’s not just employees and agency owners who need time to rest and recharge — your business does, too. Blocking out time to work on biz dev and improving systems and processes is the break your agency needs in order to grow. Like training for a marathon, an agency needs time to rest and create muscle memory around new agency operations. With these dedicated mini sabbaticals, not only will your agency be more optimized, but it will increase your agency value when it’s time to start working on succession planning. You literally can’t afford not to try this method out. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The two traditional forms of sabbaticals people take What is an agency sabbatical? How we can weave sabbaticals into our daily, weekly, monthly, and quarterly routines Setting boundaries that help you weave rest into your work routine What it means to allow rest for the agency How to retrain your team to protect their time and use it purposefully Getting agency operations to function flawlessly without bottlenecks Identifying which systems and processes to document and how to break them down into more manageable pieces Starting where you’re at without pressuring yourself to be perfect

Oct 30, 2023 • 53min
EP 421: Improving systems and processes to complete projects in 2 weeks with Michelle LaBrosse
Productivity means profitability. One of the key ways to boost your productivity is to hone in on your systems and processes to get things done faster and more efficiently without bottlenecking your creative process. This week, we’re chatting with Michelle LaBrosse, a systems and processes expert, about how agency owners, teams, and even clients can work together to be faster and get projects done in as little as two weeks. Sound too good to be true? It won’t after the hour is up. Michelle has been perfecting agency systems and processes for decades, and her methodology has become standard practice for many. Her tips and tools for boosting productivity and project efficiency will leave you wondering why you haven’t adopted these systems and processes sooner. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Breaking deliverables and projects into 2-week deadlines Getting everyone on the same page about what “done” means How having more systems and processes can aid creativity How to get the client on board with your process Getting away from overcomplicated systems and processes The process behind creating simple processes Making tools fit the workflow, not the other way around How agency owners and leaders can respect new systems and processes Owning your distraction issues that stifle productivity

Oct 23, 2023 • 39min
EP 420: Setting realistic budget and growth goals for 2024 with Drew McLellan
Many agency owners want to see 20% growth (or more) year over year while staying profitable. This goal isn’t entirely unrealistic, but the bigger you get, the harder it is to maintain such impressive numbers if you’re not investing resources in the right things to support that growth. For this week’s solocast, I have some homework for you to do to help you see if you’re prepared to meet your growth goals in 2024. Don’t worry; we will do it together while I walk you through how to crunch the numbers step-by-step. If you want to follow along, grab your P&L statement and our growth goal worksheet linked below, and get ready to do some math. By the end of this episode, you’ll have a much clearer picture of where your agency is at financially and what level of growth you can support next year based on the numbers we calculate today. For 30+ years, Drew McLellan has been in the advertising industry. He started his career at Y&R, worked in boutique-sized agencies, and then started his own (which he still owns and runs) agency in 1995. Additionally, Drew owns and leads the Agency Management Institute, which advises hundreds of small to mid-sized agencies on how to grow their agency and its profitability through agency owner peer groups, consulting, coaching, workshops and more. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. In This Episode: The basics of staying at 20% profit while doubling in size The mistakes we often make when setting end-of-year growth goals How to set a healthy growth goal based on your agency stats Why attrition affects your growth goal, and how much Emphasizing the role AEs play in growing clients What your agency needs if you plan to grow more than 15% year over year Which tough decisions agency owners need to make to hit growth goals The importance of niching down to boost growth

Oct 16, 2023 • 53min
EP 419: Decoupling from the day-to-day grind as an agency owner with Lien De Pau
One of the most common questions we still receive is about how to decouple yourself from the day-to-day grind of agency life and finally get to focus on being an agency owner. Many of us became accidental entrepreneurs and owners, and now that we have teams to lead, it can be hard to stop doing the old work that got us started on this journey. This week, Lien De Pau is giving us a roadmap for successfully decoupling ourselves from the daily grind so we can start focusing on biz dev, sales, admin, and other tasks that often get put on the back burner in favor of things that we could easily delegate or outsource. The key to growing (and eventually selling) an agency is to get out of your own way and become irrelevant to the business. Join us to learn how to start advocating for your own success as an agency owner and get out of the daily grind holding your agency back from reaching its peak potential. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: The mindset work that begins the process of removing yourself from the day-to-day Hiring out your weaknesses to others Letting go of your ego getting in the way The 5-step roadmap to decouple yourself from the agency How creative agency owners can productize their services to facilitate SOPs The roadblocks agency owners face when stepping away from the day-to-day Acting like an entrepreneur vs. an employee Leveling up as an entrepreneur How agency growth is linked to your success in the decoupling process

Oct 9, 2023 • 53min
EP 418: Redesigning agency culture in a new remote and hybrid world with Gustavo Razzetti
Shifting agency culture has been a huge point of contention for many agency owners since the beginning of the pandemic. For some, it’s brought a lot of challenges in understanding how we can work as a team while being scattered around, while others have embraced the changes and have tried to adapt the best they can. However, it can still be challenging to fully adapt to how quickly agency life has changed in just a few years. Our guest today, Gustavo Razzetti, has one simple message for us — it’s time to accept that agency life as we know it has changed forever, and we need to figure out what that means for us and our teams. Agency culture may never be the same, but we shouldn’t be less successful because of it. Join us in listening to our discussion about creating an effective agency culture for you and your team, whether hybrid, remote, or trying to figure out something entirely new. There is no one-size-fits-all approach, but we can at least help get the wheels spinning so you can figure out where to begin. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why agency culture is so important today compared to in past decades Creating a workplace culture that makes people want to work there AND stay Welcoming communication and collaboration in remote or hybrid teams Getting a facilitator involved in agency culture shifts Trialing new ideas and work strategies before fully committing Workplace trends that are coming, and what’s here to stay Why the 9-5 is dead, but the 4-day work week isn’t the solution Flexibility goes both ways Helping clients overcome common remote workplace challenges Involving employees in problem-solving earlier in the process How owners and leaders can create a strong agency culture in a new modern work environment

Oct 2, 2023 • 57min
EP 417: The art of perfecting presentations for agency employees with Michael Weiss
No matter how experienced you are, everyone gets nervous before getting up in front of a room full of people to speak. The adrenaline starts pumping, and you start doubting yourself and your ideas a little bit. It’s a universal experience we’ve all felt at least once in our lives. Michael Weiss is here to teach us that giving presentations doesn’t have to be the stressful, nerve-wracking experience we often make it out to be. When you boil it down, it’s just an exchange of ideas you’re gifting to your audience. And with enough rehearsal and understanding of your speaking style, it can be engaging and fun, too. If you have a sales pitch, an important client presentation, or even a big presentation on stage at a conference coming up, be sure to refer back to this episode to learn professional strategies for how to deliver an informative presentation while keeping your audience engaged and interested. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: Helping people recognize they’ve earned the right to be on stage Understanding that the audience wants you to succeed Why you must always rehearse before presentations, and for how long Getting more comfortable with rehearsing presentations How agency leaders can set great examples for the team with presentations Finding a groove when presenting with multiple speakers Honoring your speaking style and giving engaging presentations How to have brilliant and clear slide decks Reading the audience and keeping them engaged

Sep 25, 2023 • 55min
EP 416: Teaching AEs how to grow your existing client base with Mark Riggs
With new client acquisition at an all-time low, it’s more important than ever to focus on growing your existing client base. In fact, 60 to 70 percent of your net new revenue should now come from existing clients to continue being profitable. This means it’s time to teach your AE’s how crucial it is to know how to navigate agency math, foster agency growth, and sell new, innovative ideas to your existing clients. Many AEs don’t realize it’s their job to do these tasks, which means there’s room for improvement from agency owners to teach them these skills so your agency can continue to grow in a difficult economic time. In this episode, we’ll cover topics like the roles AEs play in agency growth and growing existing clients, how to adjust your work scope over time to remain profitable, the importance of bringing innovative ideas to your clients, and many more actionable items for your team to learn and grow from. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here. What You Will Learn in This Episode: How to get 60 to 70 percent of your net new revenue to come from existing clients The cost of acquiring new clients over growing existing ones How to adjust a growing work scope with a client over time The importance of teaching AEs agency math and how we make money Where AEs need to step up to help grow the existing client base Allowing clients to talk about the problems they need to be solved How we frustrate our clients by being too timid Being a catalyst for bringing experts together to solve your client’s problems