

For Heaven's Sake
Shalom Hartman Institute
For Heaven’s Sake is a weekly podcast presented by Ark Media and the Shalom Hartman Institute, hosted by Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. The podcast draws its name from the Jewish concept of machloket l’shem shemayim, “disagreeing for the sake of heaven,” which is exactly what takes place each week as Donniel and Yossi discuss the moral aspects of topics affecting Israel, world Jewry, and the future of Zionism.
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Jan 21, 2026 • 35min
Trump's World
Exploring life in a chaotic global landscape, the hosts delve into Israel's political challenges amidst U.S. unpredictability under Trump. They discuss Israel's surprise at recent U.S. decisions regarding Gaza and the anxiety felt by both Israelis and Americans. With insights on Trump's narcissism leading to dire consequences and the consequences of broken promises, they highlight the need for Israel to reclaim its self-determination while maneuvering through this tumultuous era. The lack of a coherent strategy from Netanyahu adds further complexity to Israel's situation.

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Jan 13, 2026 • 42min
Iran: When the Story Changes
The discussion dives into the evolving narrative surrounding Iran and the challenges to long-held Western assumptions. With critiques of the 2015 JCPOA's approach and the consequences of its sunset clauses, the hosts highlight the moral dilemmas faced by progressives in addressing Iranian repression. They explore deep theological motivations behind Iranian actions and the marginalized voices warning of its dangers. Personal reflections from Israelis emphasize the real-life impacts of governmental decisions, urging solidarity with the Iranian people's plight.

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Jan 7, 2026 • 38min
Bennett 2026
Explore the complexities of Naftali Bennett's political persona, from right-wing ideologue to potential national unifier. The hosts delve into his transformative year as Prime Minister and his surprising popularity in current polls. They discuss his public gestures of empathy, the challenges he faces with religious Zionists, and the vision he articulates for coexistence in Israel. Can he navigate security pressures and shift the political landscape away from divisiveness? Tune in for an engaging examination of his potential impact on Israel's future.

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Dec 31, 2025 • 35min
Mar-a-Lago
The discussion dives into the implications of the recent Trump-Netanyahu summit. Hosts explore the disconnect between optimistic rhetoric and Israel's harsh realities. Key topics include Iran's threats, the ongoing challenges in Gaza, and the elusive quest for political solutions. They debate whether military success can translate into tangible political outcomes and question if regime change in Iran is achievable. The tone of the summit faces criticism, with calls for a more realistic approach to complex issues facing Israel.

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Dec 24, 2025 • 36min
Vance
The discussion delves into the shifting dynamics between the U.S. and Israel, highlighting concerns over the MAGA right's influence. Vance's controversial remarks on antisemitism and Israel's geopolitical stance raise alarms about future U.S. support. The hosts suggest that Israel may need to rethink its dependency on American aid and consider maintaining a strategic partnership that goes beyond financial assistance. They also explore how Israeli policies impact American public opinion, signaling a complex landscape for Israeli and American Jews.

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Dec 17, 2025 • 38min
Bondi Beach
The podcast delves into the emotional aftermath of the tragic attack at Bondi Beach and its implications for the Australian Jewish community. It celebrates Australia's vibrant Jewish life, rooted in survivor stories and strong cultural ties. The hosts express their anger toward the vilification of Israel and reflect on how toxic language can legitimize violence. They discuss the vulnerability felt by diaspora Jews and debate whether communities should stay or leave after such incidents, reaffirming the rich cultural value of overseas Jewish life.

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Dec 10, 2025 • 38min
The State of the Israeli Center
Israel's political center faces a critical moment as elections approach. The discussion covers the historical collapse of the left and the emergence of centrist politics under Ariel Sharon. Key issues include the shift from moral discourse about Palestinians to concerns over demography and security. October 7 marked a turning point, intensifying the center’s reluctance to engage with moral responsibility. Current centrist figures and their challenges are examined, alongside the need for a renewed vision that balances Jewish identity with democratic values.

Dec 3, 2025 • 39min
The State of the Israeli Right
Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi delve into the evolution of Israel's right-wing politics. They dissect the influence of historical ideals from Jabotinsky and the challenges facing current leadership. The discussion highlights the divide between Netanyahu's followers and principled conservatives. They emphasize the need for the right to articulate positive policies and embrace both security and morality. Ultimately, they advocate for a responsible, credible right that can adapt to new realities while upholding democratic values.
Nov 26, 2025 • 37min
Arabs in the Coalition?
In this engaging discussion, Yossi Klein Halevi, an Israeli-American author and senior fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute, explores the nuanced role of Arab parties in Israeli politics. He highlights the political journey of Mansour Abbas, the complexities of Palestinian-Israeli identity, and the implications of including Islamist parties in a Zionist coalition. Halevi advocates for practical steps to rebuild trust with Arab citizens, emphasizing the need for police reform and addressing public safety issues.
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Nov 19, 2025 • 43min
Who's Afraid of a Palestinian State?
Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi dive into the complexities around Palestinian statehood. They discuss the implications of recent UN votes and how Trump’s policies shift Israeli politics. The hosts explore fears surrounding security and the effectiveness of a two-state solution. They contemplate whether regional allies like Gulf states could facilitate progress, while grappling with the risks of ignoring Palestinian aspirations. The conversation highlights the struggle between hope and past disappointments, emphasizing the unsustainability of the current status quo.


