

For Heaven's Sake
Shalom Hartman Institute
For Heaven’s Sake is a weekly podcast presented by Ark Media and the Shalom Hartman Institute, hosted by Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. The podcast draws its name from the Jewish concept of machloket l’shem shemayim, “disagreeing for the sake of heaven,” which is exactly what takes place each week as Donniel and Yossi discuss the moral aspects of topics affecting Israel, world Jewry, and the future of Zionism.
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Dec 31, 2025 • 35min
Mar-a-Lago
The discussion dives into the implications of the recent Trump-Netanyahu summit. Hosts explore the disconnect between optimistic rhetoric and Israel's harsh realities. Key topics include Iran's threats, the ongoing challenges in Gaza, and the elusive quest for political solutions. They debate whether military success can translate into tangible political outcomes and question if regime change in Iran is achievable. The tone of the summit faces criticism, with calls for a more realistic approach to complex issues facing Israel.

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Dec 24, 2025 • 36min
Vance
The discussion delves into the shifting dynamics between the U.S. and Israel, highlighting concerns over the MAGA right's influence. Vance's controversial remarks on antisemitism and Israel's geopolitical stance raise alarms about future U.S. support. The hosts suggest that Israel may need to rethink its dependency on American aid and consider maintaining a strategic partnership that goes beyond financial assistance. They also explore how Israeli policies impact American public opinion, signaling a complex landscape for Israeli and American Jews.

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Dec 17, 2025 • 38min
Bondi Beach
The podcast delves into the emotional aftermath of the tragic attack at Bondi Beach and its implications for the Australian Jewish community. It celebrates Australia's vibrant Jewish life, rooted in survivor stories and strong cultural ties. The hosts express their anger toward the vilification of Israel and reflect on how toxic language can legitimize violence. They discuss the vulnerability felt by diaspora Jews and debate whether communities should stay or leave after such incidents, reaffirming the rich cultural value of overseas Jewish life.

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Dec 10, 2025 • 38min
The State of the Israeli Center
Israel's political center faces a critical moment as elections approach. The discussion covers the historical collapse of the left and the emergence of centrist politics under Ariel Sharon. Key issues include the shift from moral discourse about Palestinians to concerns over demography and security. October 7 marked a turning point, intensifying the center’s reluctance to engage with moral responsibility. Current centrist figures and their challenges are examined, alongside the need for a renewed vision that balances Jewish identity with democratic values.

Dec 3, 2025 • 39min
The State of the Israeli Right
Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi delve into the evolution of Israel's right-wing politics. They dissect the influence of historical ideals from Jabotinsky and the challenges facing current leadership. The discussion highlights the divide between Netanyahu's followers and principled conservatives. They emphasize the need for the right to articulate positive policies and embrace both security and morality. Ultimately, they advocate for a responsible, credible right that can adapt to new realities while upholding democratic values.
Nov 26, 2025 • 37min
Arabs in the Coalition?
In this engaging discussion, Yossi Klein Halevi, an Israeli-American author and senior fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute, explores the nuanced role of Arab parties in Israeli politics. He highlights the political journey of Mansour Abbas, the complexities of Palestinian-Israeli identity, and the implications of including Islamist parties in a Zionist coalition. Halevi advocates for practical steps to rebuild trust with Arab citizens, emphasizing the need for police reform and addressing public safety issues.
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Nov 19, 2025 • 43min
Who's Afraid of a Palestinian State?
Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi dive into the complexities around Palestinian statehood. They discuss the implications of recent UN votes and how Trump’s policies shift Israeli politics. The hosts explore fears surrounding security and the effectiveness of a two-state solution. They contemplate whether regional allies like Gulf states could facilitate progress, while grappling with the risks of ignoring Palestinian aspirations. The conversation highlights the struggle between hope and past disappointments, emphasizing the unsustainability of the current status quo.

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Nov 12, 2025 • 51min
Coming Apart
This discussion dives into the complex landscape of Jewish identity amid rising division. The hosts explore what it means when 30% of NYC Jews back a candidate seen as antisemitic, challenging notions of betrayal and belonging. They debate the boundaries of community, distinguishing between doctrinal and existential red lines while pondering the impacts of political choices. With a call for communal self-reckoning, they advocate for inclusion over exclusion, emphasizing the necessity of maintaining debate without banishment.

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Nov 5, 2025 • 38min
The Latest Scandal
The hosts delve into how recent political events have transformed Israel's moral landscape. They discuss the scandal involving a former military lawyer and its implications for societal accountability. The conversation explores the dangers of politicization, the erosion of legitimacy, and the troubling shift in public discourse. They propose a call for unity amidst the chaos, emphasizing the opposition's role in preserving moral standards. This thought-provoking dialogue reflects the broader confusion about ethics in the pursuit of political ends.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 45min
Mamdani
The candidacy of Zohran Mamdani sparks a heated debate about Jewish identity and the concept of conditional acceptance in progressive spaces. The hosts reflect on the emotional toll of divisive politics and the risks of labeling within the Jewish community. They draw parallels to Jeremy Corbyn’s influence in Britain and warn about normalizing anti-Jewish sentiment. With a personal touch, the discussion highlights the erosion of trust in once-welcoming environments while urging a commitment to critique and connection.


