

For Heaven's Sake
Shalom Hartman Institute
For Heaven’s Sake is a weekly podcast presented by Ark Media and the Shalom Hartman Institute, hosted by Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. The podcast draws its name from the Jewish concept of machloket l’shem shemayim, “disagreeing for the sake of heaven,” which is exactly what takes place each week as Donniel and Yossi discuss the moral aspects of topics affecting Israel, world Jewry, and the future of Zionism.
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Sep 17, 2025 • 41min
Sparta Nation
Benjamin Netanyahu's vision of a 'super-Sparta' raises questions about Israel's future identity. The shift toward an isolationist strategy prompts debates on military ethics and national values. Polls reveal that many Israelis favor diplomacy over siege, signaling potential changes in collective identity. The podcast examines the tension between Israel's warrior culture and its aspirations for peace. Additionally, it critiques the ethical implications of reliance on arms production, reflecting on how contemporary leadership aligns or conflicts with public sentiment.

Sep 11, 2025 • 30min
Doha
The podcast dives into Israel's military strategies and the ethical dilemmas of striking Hamas leaders in Qatar. It reflects on the legacy of the Eichmann Trial and its influence on current policies. The hosts discuss the emotional toll of ongoing conflict, questioning Israel's effectiveness in long-term strategy versus precise strikes. They also explore the effects of far-right influences on governance and grapple with how democracies maintain moral integrity while combating terrorism. The impact on hostage negotiations adds another layer to this complex situation.

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Sep 3, 2025 • 33min
Gaza City
The discussion navigates the complexities of military strategies and humanitarian concerns in Gaza City. Tensions rise over the fate of hostages against a backdrop of civilian suffering. Historical military conflicts, like the Yom Kippur War, shape current leadership challenges and public sentiment. The speakers explore moral dilemmas in warfare and the necessity for political solutions to accompany military actions. A glimmer of hope emerges as they examine the potential for change in public opinion and leadership amidst the ongoing strife.

Aug 27, 2025 • 30min
Coming Home (Re-release)
Tensions are high in Israel as a ceasefire and hostage deal are being debated. The hosts explore the stark divide among citizens, weighing family loyalty against national security concerns. They discuss the emotional toll on families of missing loved ones and the collective responsibility felt within the community. The political intricacies of hostage negotiations reveal a landscape filled with distrust yet lingering hope for unity. Amidst all this, the value of common decency emerges as a guiding principle in these challenging times.

Aug 20, 2025 • 37min
Between Trauma and Torah: Jewish Leadership after October 7
Yehuda Kurtzer, President of the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America, discusses leading Jewish communities through crises following the trauma of October 7. He explores the emotional complexities faced by leaders, the challenges of balancing personal feelings with professional responsibilities, and the vital role of education in fostering hope. The conversation also touches on North American Jews' intricate relationship with Israel, advocating for an integrated understanding of identity during turbulent times.

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Aug 13, 2025 • 43min
Power Meets Prejudice: The End of Jewish Innocence
Rachel Jacoby Rosenfield, CEO of the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America, dives into profound discussions about the shifting landscape of Jewish identity following recent trauma. The episode examines the implications of October 7 on Jewish security and acceptance, highlighting the rise of antisemitism and the complex narratives facing young Jews today. Rosenfield addresses challenges for Jewish students, the evolving relationship with progressive institutions, and the urgent need to reclaim and redefine Jewish stories in a polarized world.

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Aug 6, 2025 • 55min
Judea and Samaria: The Conversation Israel Isn't Having
Ronit Heyd, Vice President and Director at the Shalom Hartman Institute, moderates a compelling discussion with Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. They tackle the future of Judea and Samaria amidst recent conflicts, exploring the moral implications of settler violence and the dynamic landscape of Israeli politics. The conversation emphasizes the need for honest dialogue about land ownership and the responsibilities shared by Jews worldwide. They argue for transformative discussions that transcend tribalism for a hopeful path forward.

Jul 30, 2025 • 42min
Famine
As the war with Hamas deepens, Gaza faces a heartbreaking famine that the world struggles to address. The discussion delves into the responsibility shared by Israel, Hamas, and the international community amidst growing hunger. Personal apathy and media narratives are examined for their roles in shaping perceptions of this crisis. Listeners are urged to reflect on the complex morality of the conflict and consider the importance of sustainable aid solutions that respect Palestinian rights and dignity.

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Jul 23, 2025 • 45min
The Outsiders Among Us
Recent clashes in Sweida spotlight the complex dynamics between the Druze community and Israel. The discussion dives into identity, loyalty, and the unique status of minorities within a Jewish state. Complications arise as ethnic relations are examined, particularly for Palestinian citizens amid rising tensions. Conversations on political alliances reveal the struggles for recognition and belonging in Israel. The need for mutual understanding in a fractured society is emphasized, inviting deeper reflection on diversity and inclusion.

Jul 16, 2025 • 35min
Waiting
Tensions in Israel's government are boiling as Haredi parties threaten to withdraw over yeshiva student conscription. Netanyahu's discussions about a potential ceasefire add to the anxiety as Israelis await developments. The speakers delve into the emotional landscape of waiting amid conflict, exploring historical moral dilemmas. They highlight the disconnect between governmental strategies and public desires for peace while examining the evolving dynamics within Haredi society, all against the backdrop of political instability and looming pressures.