

For Heaven's Sake
Shalom Hartman Institute
For Heaven’s Sake is a weekly podcast presented by Ark Media and the Shalom Hartman Institute, hosted by Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. The podcast draws its name from the Jewish concept of machloket l’shem shemayim, “disagreeing for the sake of heaven,” which is exactly what takes place each week as Donniel and Yossi discuss the moral aspects of topics affecting Israel, world Jewry, and the future of Zionism.
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Oct 10, 2025 • 34min
Breathing Again
Two years after a pivotal moment, a significant hostage-release deal brings a wave of relief across Israel. The hosts reflect on how diverse groups, from families to international players, united to make this breakthrough possible. They discuss Trump's unexpected role and its moral implications, while also highlighting Netanyahu's strategic shifts. The conversation touches on the impact of this deal on future Gaza policies and the broader regional dynamics, ultimately emphasizing resilience and hope for a renewed political landscape.

Oct 1, 2025 • 38min
A New Era?
The discussion dives into the challenges of finding hope in Israel post-October 7. With Trump's Gaza peace plan in the spotlight, the hosts dissect its potential to shift the narrative from despair to action. They explore the moral implications of defeating Hamas while envisioning a future for Palestinians. The conversation addresses whether this plan could inspire a societal transformation and whether Israelis can dare to hope again after deep trauma. The implications of failure and renewed conflict are analyzed, along with the potential for Arab-Israeli collaboration.

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Sep 22, 2025 • 38min
The Season of Reckoning
The hosts dive into the ethical dilemmas surrounding unconditional love for Israel amid the prolonged Gaza conflict. They explore the complexity of maintaining moral integrity without compromising national loyalty. The discussion highlights the concept of the 'troubled committed'—those grappling with intense loyalty while voicing moral concerns. Key topics include the sacrifices of soldiers, the plight of civilians, and the implications of potential ceasefire decisions. They argue for the importance of candid dialogue and creating space for honest introspection.
Sep 17, 2025 • 41min
Sparta Nation
Benjamin Netanyahu's vision of a 'super-Sparta' raises questions about Israel's future identity. The shift toward an isolationist strategy prompts debates on military ethics and national values. Polls reveal that many Israelis favor diplomacy over siege, signaling potential changes in collective identity. The podcast examines the tension between Israel's warrior culture and its aspirations for peace. Additionally, it critiques the ethical implications of reliance on arms production, reflecting on how contemporary leadership aligns or conflicts with public sentiment.
Sep 11, 2025 • 30min
Doha
The podcast dives into Israel's military strategies and the ethical dilemmas of striking Hamas leaders in Qatar. It reflects on the legacy of the Eichmann Trial and its influence on current policies. The hosts discuss the emotional toll of ongoing conflict, questioning Israel's effectiveness in long-term strategy versus precise strikes. They also explore the effects of far-right influences on governance and grapple with how democracies maintain moral integrity while combating terrorism. The impact on hostage negotiations adds another layer to this complex situation.
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Sep 3, 2025 • 33min
Gaza City
The discussion navigates the complexities of military strategies and humanitarian concerns in Gaza City. Tensions rise over the fate of hostages against a backdrop of civilian suffering. Historical military conflicts, like the Yom Kippur War, shape current leadership challenges and public sentiment. The speakers explore moral dilemmas in warfare and the necessity for political solutions to accompany military actions. A glimmer of hope emerges as they examine the potential for change in public opinion and leadership amidst the ongoing strife.

Aug 27, 2025 • 30min
Coming Home (Re-release)
Tensions are high in Israel as a ceasefire and hostage deal are being debated. The hosts explore the stark divide among citizens, weighing family loyalty against national security concerns. They discuss the emotional toll on families of missing loved ones and the collective responsibility felt within the community. The political intricacies of hostage negotiations reveal a landscape filled with distrust yet lingering hope for unity. Amidst all this, the value of common decency emerges as a guiding principle in these challenging times.
Aug 20, 2025 • 37min
Between Trauma and Torah: Jewish Leadership after October 7
Yehuda Kurtzer, President of the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America, discusses leading Jewish communities through crises following the trauma of October 7. He explores the emotional complexities faced by leaders, the challenges of balancing personal feelings with professional responsibilities, and the vital role of education in fostering hope. The conversation also touches on North American Jews' intricate relationship with Israel, advocating for an integrated understanding of identity during turbulent times.

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Aug 13, 2025 • 43min
Power Meets Prejudice: The End of Jewish Innocence
Rachel Jacoby Rosenfield, CEO of the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America, dives into profound discussions about the shifting landscape of Jewish identity following recent trauma. The episode examines the implications of October 7 on Jewish security and acceptance, highlighting the rise of antisemitism and the complex narratives facing young Jews today. Rosenfield addresses challenges for Jewish students, the evolving relationship with progressive institutions, and the urgent need to reclaim and redefine Jewish stories in a polarized world.

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Aug 6, 2025 • 55min
Judea and Samaria: The Conversation Israel Isn't Having
Ronit Heyd, Vice President and Director at the Shalom Hartman Institute, moderates a compelling discussion with Donniel Hartman and Yossi Klein Halevi. They tackle the future of Judea and Samaria amidst recent conflicts, exploring the moral implications of settler violence and the dynamic landscape of Israeli politics. The conversation emphasizes the need for honest dialogue about land ownership and the responsibilities shared by Jews worldwide. They argue for transformative discussions that transcend tribalism for a hopeful path forward.


