

Inside with Brett Hawke
Brett Hawke
Take an intimate look inside the minds of swimming's highest achievers with one of the world's best swim coaches, Brett Hawke.
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Apr 19, 2022 • 53min
ISL Executives Ben Allen & Matt Dawe LIVE
Brett goes live with the new Commissioner and CEO of the International Swimming League, Ben Allen & Matt Dawe.
We answer questions live from the audience.
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#swimming #iswimleague #proswimming

Apr 19, 2022 • 4min
The Federica Pellegrini 200 Free Set
Italian National Team Coach (and Federica's fiance), Matteo Giunta, shared one of her most prominent 200 Freestyle sets.
This is done long course and you're meant to get faster through the rounds.
4 (or 5) Rounds of...
8 x 50's Free (Federica holds :30) @ :40 (1st round) :45 (2nd round) :55 (3rd round) and 1:00 (4th round)
1x200 Free - very last one is off the blocks - Federica has been known to break 2:00
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#swimming #freestyle #italy

Apr 18, 2022 • 56min
#248 Matteo Giunta on coaching Federica Pellegrini, the ISL, and the state of Italian swimming
Matteo Giunta is an Italian National swim coach (C.C. Aniene) and the Head Coach of the Aqua Centurians. After spending a few years coaching for Andrea Di Nino's ADN Project, he moved to Verona in 2012 to work under Philippe Lucas. This is where he began coaching Federica Pellegrini in 2012. A decade later, the two are set to be married after European Championships.
In this episode you'll learn about Matteo's coaching progression as well as how he coached the greatest 200 Freestyler of all time - the only person to ever make it to the podium in 8 straight World Championships in the same event.
Be sure to watch the new Amazon documentary, "Federica Pellegrini - Underwater".
00:00 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:04 Hello Matteo Giunta
03:40 Matteo the swimmer
05:00 Wedding planning
06:15 Fame & paparazzi
08:00 Federica's retirement
14:15 How do you manage love & coaching?
17:20 How do you go sub 154?
20:00 Federica's schedule
21:30 Less yardage
22:20 200 Freestyle Set
26:00 "A beautiful racer"
26:30 200 Free race strategy
29:00 Federica's mindset
35:00 Never satisfied
39:30 Italian swimming
44:50 Head Coach of Aqua Centurians
46:30 Sharing experiences
47:20 Proud to be Italian
49:15 Favorite Food
51:00 Favorite City
53:45 Paris 2024
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BEINE WELLNESS BUILDING: Individualize your nutrition with genetic testing and personalized plans. Eat, supplement, and recover based on your genetics.
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SWIMNERD: Big and small digital pace clocks, virtual scoreboards, and live results.
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#swimming #swimcoach #italy

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 3min
#247 Emily Seebohm dissects backstroke, shares longevity secrets
Emily Seebohm has been on the Australian National Team for 15 years. She's competed in 4 consecutive Olympics and has 7 Olympic medals in her collection (3 gold, 3 silver, 1 bronze).
Most recently, in Tokyo, she nabbed a Bronze medal in the 200 Backstroke. She won silver at the 2008 Games in the 100 Back and has 3 gold medals as part of Australian relays. Most swimmers don't evolve from the 100 to the 200 but she says she's a sucker for the pain of practice.
Emily swims under Michael Bohl (Ep.176) and 2x Olympic backstroke champion, Kaylee McKeown (Ep. 239), is her new training partner.
00:00 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:04 Are you in or are you out?
03:30 Snowboarding
04:30 Being a Mum on the team
05:30 Coaching evolution
04:45 Brisbane to Gold Coast
10:10 Up in distance
11:30 Prodigy at 14
14:45 3 Brothers
18:00 Queensland Swimming
20:34 Backstroke start
23:20 Underwaters
27:20 Backstroke pull
31:00 Underwater filming
31:45 Speed in recovery
32:45 Tempo 100 vs 200
34:20 Emphasis on pulling
34:50 Kicking in a small box
35:30 Backstroke breathing pattern
37:15 Backstroke head position
41:50 Backstroke turn
44:20 Backstroke finish
46:45 Reality TV
49:36 Pay
54:25 Kaylee McKeown
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#swimming #backstroke #australia
Thumbnail photo courtesy of Wade Brennan. Check him out on Instagram.

Apr 13, 2022 • 51min
Dive Inside LIVE with Sonny Trigg & Kyle Sockwell
Just a few dudes talking about swimming.
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#swimming #swim #swimmer

Apr 11, 2022 • 1h 2min
#246 Margo Geer, Head Coach of the University of Alabama
Margo Geer is entering her 2nd year as the Head Coach of the University of Alabama. They are fresh off the program's best finish in program history on the Women's side (4th) and the 8th consecutive year of being in the Top 15 on the Men's team.
As an NCAA athlete, Margo was a 3x NCAA Champion and Pac-12 Woman of the Year while at the University of Arizona.
In this episode, Brett & Margo talk all about the University of Alabama's Swimming & Diving program and the pillars of their culture.
Enjoy!
00:04 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:05 Hello Margo Geer
01:30 Becoming Head Coach
05:00 Experience
08:45 Managing people
10:45 First things first
12:15 Ozzie Quevedo
14:00 Building a staff
17:00 Trust
20:10 Females leading Male programs
22:45 Men's & Women's NCAA's
24:25 Dividing responsibility
26:45 Communication with staff
28:30 Challenges at Alabama
31:30 Community
34:06 Nick Saban
36:00 Alabama swimming pools
36:50 SEC team approach
40:00 Swimming faster at NCAA's
45:30 Party mode
47:00 Culture
50:55 Your energy
54:00 Rick DeMont
55:50 Auburn
57:00 Alabama alumni
58:00 Don Gambril
58:45 Congratulations
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BEINE WELLNESS BUILDING: Individualize your nutrition with genetic testing and personalized plans. Eat, supplement, and recover based on your genetics.
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#swimming #rolltide #alabama

Apr 8, 2022 • 50min
#245 Cameron van der Burgh on breaststroke, commodities trading, & teaching confidence
South African Cameron van der Burgh won gold in the Men's 100 Breaststroke at the 2012 Olympics and silver four years later in Rio. He helped move breaststroke forward with a high tempo and focus on the shorter events. Over his career he won 10 LCM World Champs medals and 8 SCM World Champ medals in the 50 & 100 Breaststrokes.
Now a commodities trader in London, Cameron still gets in the water 3-4 times a week. Don't be surprised if you see him in a Masters meet soon enough.
In this episode, Brett and Cameron talk about how he changed breaststroke, how he trained breaststroke, and how to teach confidence.
00:00 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:04 Hello Cameron van der Burgh
01:00 Commodity Trading
06:30 Life after swimming
10:00 Advice to swimmers
12:00 Starting over again
16:15 Grant Hackett
19:30 Not allowed in the pool
22:00 Breaststroke legends
24:30 Teaching confidence
26:30 Self talk
31:10 Changing breaststroke
33:30 Out in 18 strokes
35:15 Training breaststroke
41:30 Being South African
42:45 Adam Peaty
44:20 Passing on the Kickboard
47:00 Barnes Masters Swimming Club
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BEINE WELLNESS BUILDING: Individualize your nutrition with genetic testing and personalized plans. Eat, supplement, and recover based on your genetics.
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#swimming #southafrica #breaststroke

Apr 6, 2022 • 32min
#244 Anastasia Pagonis changing the way you “see” the visually impaired
Anastasia Pagonis is the reigning Paralympic champion and current World Record holder in the 400 Free (S11). At 12 years old she began losing her eyesight. Soon after she was diagnosed with genetic retina disease and autoimmune retinopathy.
Anastasia has taken to social media to change the stereotype of what it looks to be blind. She has 2.3 million followers on TikTok!
"I can be an elite athlete. I can wear makeup. I can dress cute. I can do all these things and I'm blind." - Anastasia Pagonis
00:00 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:04 Hello Anastasia Pagonis
01:20 Tokyo Paralympics
02:40 Classification for seeing impaired
04:15 400 Free
05:50 Swimming straight
07:20 Marc Danin
08:30 Genetic retina disease
11:00 Depression
13:55 Tucker Dupree
15:05 Lizzie Smith
15:50 "You don't look blind"
19:20 Radar
20:50 TikTok star
22:56 Training schedule
27:00 World Trials
29:00 LA 2028
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BEINE WELLNESS BUILDING: Individualize your nutrition with genetic testing and personalized plans. Eat, supplement, and recover based on your genetics.
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#swimming #paralympics #freestyle

Apr 6, 2022 • 8min
Thoughts on Taper with Cal's Björn Seeliger
Taper is a funny thing. Listen to Bjorn Seeliger describe how the University of California approaches taper, especially as a sprinter going through PAC 12's and onto NCAA's. Bjorn provides some swimming taper tips including some taper workouts, taper diet, and talks about the mental side of taper.
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#swimming #taper #swimcoach

Apr 4, 2022 • 1h 48min
#243 Student of the sport, Björn Seeliger, breaks down 18.27, backstroke, taper
Björn Seeliger is a 22 year old Swedish Olympic sprinter. A sophomore at the University of California, he is fresh off winning the team title at NCAA's. Björn collected two silver medals in the 50 and 100 Freestyles just behind Brooks Curry. Leading off the 200 Free Relay, he dropped the 2nd fastest 50 SCY Free ever: 18.27. Oh, and the fastest 50 Backstroke (20.08) in history!
A student of the sport, Brett and Björn break down everything. How Ryan Murphy helped him perfect his backstroke start. What he's learned from Caeleb Dressel. And, of course, his 50 Free.
Enjoy!
00:00 Bratter PA, Immigration Law
00:04 Hello Björn Seeliger
02:30 German
05:00 6 foot 8 and a half
06:00 Lars Frolander
04:40 Stefan Nystrand
08:00 Therese Alshammar
09:10 Why Cal?
13:00 Euros or Worlds
15:00 21/47 swimmer
16:15 Caeleb Dressel
18:30 Fly group
20:45 Fly sets
23:37 Backstroke
27:40 Backstroke start
29:55 Backstroke turn
35:40 Taper
44:40 Swimming fast in the morning
46:20 2022 NCAA's
57:00 Winning attitude, team first
01:05:30 50 Free
01:09:55 18.2
01:10:00 The Start
01:15:39 The Transition
01:18:10 The Turn
01:21:10 Backend of stroke
01:22:30 4x100 Free Relay swim
01:25:30 Team vibe
01:31:10 Swimming fast on last day
01:36:00 Texas
01:39:00 Leon Marchand
01:41:15 Long Course
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#swimming #backstroke #freestyle