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Aug 21, 2024 • 48min

Customer obsession has gone too far

The TL;DROverwhelmed by the constant push to be customer-obsessed?Mark Organ (Influitive), Jill Rowley (Salesforce), and Evan Huck (UserEvidence) dive deep into what it means to truly focus on the customer without losing sight of what’s best for your business. This episode explores the delicate balance between meeting customer demands and maintaining a healthy company culture.What’s working in B2B SaaS:UNDERSTANDING CUSTOMER NEEDSInstead of simply following customer requests, deeply understand and anticipate their needs to deliver truly valuable solutions. Aligning product and service offerings with genuine customer problems can lead to innovative breakthroughs and stronger customer loyalty.What’s not working in B2B SaaS:BLINDLY FOLLOWING CUSTOMER DEMANDSPrioritizing every customer request without consideration can lead to unsustainable practices and burnout. A balanced approach that also considers employee well-being and strategic business goals is essential for long-term success.The key takeawaysCustomer Obsession with Balance: While being customer-centric is vital, it’s equally important to know when to set boundaries. Effective go-to-market strategies involve understanding and anticipating customer needs rather than blindly following every request. This balanced approach fosters a sustainable relationship with customers and ensures business health.Innovative Pricing Strategies: Companies that innovate in pricing and packaging often see significant growth. By aligning pricing models with customer value and needs, businesses can remove barriers to adoption and drive scale. This approach also involves transferring some cost and risk from the customer to the company, ensuring a win-win situation.Real Customer Stories: Integrating real customer stories and evidence into the sales process is crucial. Prospects trust peer experiences more than sales pitches, making customer evidence a powerful tool for building credibility and trust. This method enhances the buying experience and increases conversion rates.Employee-Centric Culture: Ensuring a healthy work environment for employees can lead to better customer experiences. By investing in employee well-being and empowerment, companies create a positive feedback loop that benefits both employees and customers.Strategic Customer Relationships: Not all customer feedback should be implemented. Knowing when to say no and maintaining strategic focus helps companies avoid unnecessary complexity and ensures that they deliver the most value. This approach highlights the importance of strategic decision-making in maintaining a customer-centric yet sustainable business model.The things to listen for:(00:00) Intro(01:28) Understanding customer needs instead of following requests blindly(05:49) Balancing customer demands with strategic business goals(08:06) The impact of employee well-being on customer experience(11:16) Innovative pricing strategies for better customer alignment(14:56) The power of real customer stories in building trust(19:33) Knowing when to say no to customer feedback(23:48) Aligning product development with genuine customer problems(33:52) The importance of strategic decision-making in B2B SaaS(39:20) How employee-centric cultures lead to better customer outcomes(44:25) Creating a sustainable relationship with customers through balanced approaches
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Aug 7, 2024 • 48min

The future of GTM focuses on what your buyers want

Kevin White, Mac Reddin, and Natalie Marcotullio are pioneers in modern go-to-market strategies. They discuss the shift towards a buyer-first approach, emphasizing empathy and understanding buyer needs. The trio critiques reliance on short-term metrics, advocating instead for long-term relationships and qualitative insights. They highlight the importance of genuine connections and the need to adapt sales processes to better align with today's buyers. Humor and curiosity shine through as they draw parallels with dinosaur facts, making complex topics more engaging.
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Jul 24, 2024 • 38min

Target customer insights can be your secret weapon

Peep Laja, a marketing expert from Wynter, Victoria Sakal of Wonder, and Ryan Sorley from Klue discuss the transformative power of customer insights in B2B marketing. They emphasize the importance of decisive leadership and focused research on specific customer segments. The trio warns against broad research approaches and highlights the critical difference between mere data and actionable insights. Investing in these insights can enhance customer engagement, improve sales efficiency, and drive significant business growth.
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Jul 10, 2024 • 42min

Why competitive intelligence is more than battle cards

Trailblazers in competitive intelligence, Andy McCotter-Bicknell, Clara Smyth, and Alex Eaton share insights on knowing competitors, balancing competitive and customer intelligence, investing in CI, creating comparison pages, and enhancing sales effectiveness by acknowledging competitors in positioning strategies.
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Jun 26, 2024 • 52min

Churn is a company problem, not a customer success problem

Sy Pendergast (Goldcast), Lauren Alt Kishpaugh (Pendo), and Myles Bradwell (UserEvidence) discuss collaborative customer success strategies to reduce churn. Addressing customer churn as a company-wide concern, the guests highlight the need for alignment between marketing, sales, and customer success teams. They emphasize the importance of delivering value to customers, honesty in sales conversations, and integrating successful client stories into marketing efforts.
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Jun 12, 2024 • 49min

What’s wrong with Calendly’s homepage?

Robert Kaminski challenged Calendly's homepage messaging, sparking a debate on B2B marketing strategies. The key focus is on aligning homepage messaging with the audience's needs and balancing benefits with clear communication. The podcast delves into the importance of storytelling, user-centric approaches, and the evolution of B2B messaging models.
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May 29, 2024 • 45min

How to write stories your sales team will actually use

Experts April Dunford, Kyle Lacy, and Marcus Andrews discuss crafting compelling B2B stories for sales teams: tailor-made storytelling, avoiding writing by committee, the importance of strong positioning, customized narratives, adaptability, internal alignment, and buy-in. They share tips on resonating with audiences, updating strategies, and aligning sales and marketing efforts. The chapter descriptions include clashes over PowerPoint slides, humorous turd analogies, and strategies for success in the age of technology.
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May 15, 2024 • 49min

Where to focus your messaging: features vs. benefits vs. outcomes

The TL;DRFeatures, benefits, or outcomes - where should your marketing strategy zoom in? With a sea of opinions out there, here's the lowdown from some folks who really know their stuff.Anthony Pierri (FletchPMM), Emma Stratton (Punchy), and Chris Orlob (pclub.io) tell us where to shift our focus in messaging to B2B companies to be successful.What’s working in B2B marketing:CONVERSATIONAL, CRYSTAL CLEAR MESSAGING Speak plainly, or you might as well speak alien. Keep it simple, keep it straight, and watch visitors turn into leads.What’s not working in B2B marketing:MIMICKING THE GIANTSFind strength in your niche market. When it comes to start-ups; narrow & deep will outdo wide & shallow.The key takeaways:Tailor your messaging to the audience's pain points: Understand and directly address the specific problems that your target audience is facing. Mirroring customers' pain in messaging helps build trust and understanding. Using visual aids and credible niche targeting to resonate with risk-averse buyers is extremely effective.Contextualize everything based on where your buyers are: This is the technology adoption lifecycle curve comes in handy. Messaging should be customized to appeal to different groups, from early adopters who might prefer customizable solutions to the late majority looking for pre-built, low-risk options.Humanize your message: The "barbecue exercise," a strategy to strip away jargon to create a human-oriented, relatable message can significantly differentiate a company from competitors who rely on dry, indistinct language.Balance outcome and feature-driven messaging: While many believe that leading with outcomes is the most effective, focusing on the "what" and "how" makes messaging more memorable and effective. Send a balanced message that appeals to the intelligence of sophisticated buyers yet remains specific and tangible.Niche-ing down can lead to bigger opportunities: Achieving relevance often means excluding a larger part of the market to focus on a specific niche. A focus on a niche market, like Tesla, led to significantly larger opportunities, a key strategy, especially for early-stage startups. This reinforces the power and potential of targeting and growing from a narrowly defined market.The things to listen for:[00:00] Intro[10:30] Be specific and differentiate in crowded markets[15:35] People need a branding agency for tech[18:24] Effective sales messaging focuses on customer pain[25:09] Focusing on sales is challenging in this economic climate[26:57] Product expansion leads to strategic complexity and stress[30:37] Create content, target niche, reduce risks, and find success[35:11] Startups can succeed by owning niche markets[37:32] Use provocative messaging to engage pragmatist buyers[45:19] Avoid dry business speak & write conversationally[46:12] Encourage natural communication & simplify complex jargon[49:43] Jargon's value in specific contexts
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May 1, 2024 • 44min

Are you doing enough research?

The TL;DRToday, we're all about research—audiences, customers, markets, you name it. No fluff, just the raw truth.Amanda Natividad (SparkToro), MJ Smith (CoLab), and Evan Huck (UserEvidence) talk about research (or lack thereof) for many B2B companies.What’s working in B2B marketing:CREATIVITY + CUSTOMER INSIGHTResearch needs to validate creative ideas. Hear how these three avoid marketing myopia.What’s not working in B2B marketing:INCONSISTENT RESEARCH Research isn’t a one-off activity. Don’t fall victim to the trap of institutional knowledge.The key takeaways:Understand the full scope of audience influences: B2B marketers should move beyond simple demography and firmographics to include the broader context of what influences their audience, including peers, competitors, and societal trends.Blend creativity with customer insight: Although creativity is vital for differentiating your brand and marketing efforts, it needs to be backed by solid customer insights. B2B marketers should leverage research to validate creative ideas, ensuring they are addressing the real needs and challenges of their customers.Utilize a mix of research methods: A combination of quantitative data and qualitative insights is crucial for a well-rounded understanding of your customers. Advances in technology are enabling richer qualitative insights at scale, but marketers must also look for the non-obvious insights that come from in-depth, tailored research conversations.Consistent research is key: Research is a continuous process. B2B marketers need to stay on top of changes in customer behavior, industry trends, and underlying motivations by making research an ongoing practice.Democratize access to customer feedback: In many organizations, customer feedback becomes siloed within certain departments. B2B marketers should advocate for democratized access to customer feedback across the organization to allow for diverse perspectives and to gain a broader understanding of customer needs and challenges.The things to listen for:00:00 Intro05:27 Frequent research ensures institutional knowledge remains accurate09:11 Audience research: interviews, surveys, content consumption10:38 Balancing creative risk-taking in marketing16:07 Be specific19:22 B2B marketing relies on assumptions, which are often boring20:15 Identify the correct target for potential sales26:12 Use cross-functional customer engagement for better insights27:14 Scarcity of customer feedback presents challenges for companies34:20 AI-driven insights37:35 Summarizing caller data to identify recurring pain points42:10 Acquisition brought strategic MBAs, but lacked practicality43:00 Closing
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Apr 17, 2024 • 39min

Why most revenue models fail (and how to make yours better)

Listen to Emily Kramer, Adam Goyette, and Jeff Ignacio discuss the importance of alignment in revenue models and how poor planning processes hinder success. Key takeaways include aligning goals with team ownership, embracing full-funnel reporting, and practicing realistic revenue forecasting.

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