

Shrink The Nation
Dr. Rob and Dr. David
Shrink The Nation is a psychology podcast about politics, media, and American insanity — hosted by board-certified psychiatrists who drink bourbon and actually know what they’re talking about.Each week, we take whatever the news is lighting on fire and ask a better question:What the hell is going on psychologically?We break down current events as they’re actually experienced — through fear, ego, narcissism, tribalism, and spectacle — and explain why smart people keep getting pulled into dumb arguments.This isn’t a lecture.It’s a conversation.We argue with each other, bust each other’s balls, laugh at the absurdity, and use real psychology to make the chaos intelligible — without yelling, moralizing, or pretending everything’s fine.You’ll hear sharp psychological takes on politics and culture, explanations that make you say “ohhh… that makes sense,” dark humor, bourbon-fueled honesty, and frameworks you can reuse when the next news cycle melts down.We’re not here to calm you down.We’re here to help you see clearly — and enjoy the process.Shrink The Nation is for anyone who wants to understand what’s happening, laugh a little at the madness, and come back next week feeling smarter than they did last time.
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Sep 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
Allison Has Notes: Smurfette, Patriarchy, and the “Male Loneliness” Panic
We invited psychiatrist Allison to finish the round. She arrives with receipts and zero patience, calling out our blind spots and the culture’s. The episode opens with the bourbon roll call (Angel’s Envy, Jim Beam Black Label, and Allison’s lemon seltzer) and a confession: bringing a woman into a conversation about men wasn’t optional; it was overdue.Allison introduces the Smurfette Principle and why tokenism distorts the narrative, then pushes past evo-psych shortcuts to how patriarchy actually operates in daily life. Drinking game included.We also deconstruct the headlines about a “male loneliness epidemic.” Allison points out the numbers aren’t the story you’ve been sold, and we hash out what loneliness really tracks in 18–28 year olds.Prescriptions: • Read Chanel Miller’s Know My Name (or start with her middle-grade book if you need a softer on-ramp). • Listen to one woman. Then listen to another. Yes, that counts. • Men 18–28: before you post, imagine it getting screened by the oldest woman in your family. You’ll type better.Smart, provocative, clinically sharp, and occasionally bruising. That’s the point."Got Thoughts? Outrage? A Diagnosis of Your Own? Send us a text"Support the showShrink The Nation is where America lies on the couch — and we pour the bourbon. Hosted by board-certified psychiatrists and mental health pros with backgrounds in military, media, and systems thinking, we break down the psychology behind politics, culture, and public dysfunction. Smart. Funny. Clinically sharp. Slightly buzzed. Subscribe, rate, and share if you’re part of the exhausted middle looking for sanity in the noise. For feedback or hate-listening invitations, hit us at socials@shrinkthenation.com. Follow us everywhere: @shrinkthenation on X, Instagram, Facebook and Bluesky Shrink The Nation — On the Couch With America.

Sep 2, 2025 • 1h 5min
The Death of Shame
Shame used to be a regulator. Now it’s background noise. In this bourbon-fueled consult, David and Rob put “Uncle Sam” on the couch and sort the difference between shame (“I am bad”) and guilt (“I did a bad thing”) and why only one reliably leads to repair. We unpack Nathanson’s compass of shame (withdrawal, self-attack, avoidance, other-attack) and how those last two blow up our politics and relationships. Then we zoom out: social media’s confessional culture gives a quick hit of validation, followed by 2 a.m. regret and next-day loneliness, while partisan incentives reward riding out scandal instead of resigning. Result: a post-policy era where words are theater and hypocrisy barely stings. Prescriptions you can actually use: • Before you post, ask: am I confessing, performing, or connecting? • Use a 24-hour rule on anything personal or inflammatory. • Write down your values and hold yourself (and your leaders) to them at the ballot box. Also featuring Crow 86 in a plastic bottle, Horse Soldier for contrast, and the required roast of pajama pants in public."Got Thoughts? Outrage? A Diagnosis of Your Own? Send us a text"Support the showShrink The Nation is where America lies on the couch — and we pour the bourbon. Hosted by board-certified psychiatrists and mental health pros with backgrounds in military, media, and systems thinking, we break down the psychology behind politics, culture, and public dysfunction. Smart. Funny. Clinically sharp. Slightly buzzed. Subscribe, rate, and share if you’re part of the exhausted middle looking for sanity in the noise. For feedback or hate-listening invitations, hit us at socials@shrinkthenation.com. Follow us everywhere: @shrinkthenation on X, Instagram, Facebook and Bluesky Shrink The Nation — On the Couch With America.

Aug 26, 2025 • 54min
Your Aunt Is the Propagandist Now
Pour a glass of bourbon and settle in: we separate persuasion from propaganda, starting with David’s cold open that lands the thesis—propaganda isn’t posters, it’s the background noise telling you who to fear and what’s “obviously” true. It doesn’t argue; it feels, repeats until it sounds true, and wraps itself in identity and duty. We map the three levers every campaign pulls—repetition, fear/anger, and identity/duty—then trace how they’re working on your brain in real time. From sunk cost and anxiety relief to why leaving a tribe can feel worse than death, Keith lays out the individual psychology that makes simple stories so sticky. Allison and Rob bring it home with the modern twist: propaganda has been outsourced to the group chat—sometimes to Aunt Cindy—and the network effects are brutal. David drops the math on how a single WhatsApp forward can hit millions in minutes, which is exactly why “feels true” keeps beating “is true.” We close with a practical spotter’s guide for when propaganda tips into conspiracy: C.O.N.S.P.I.R.Pop Culture & References Thomas Paine’s pamphlets → the OG push notification. Chomsky and “violence to dictatorships” → the democracy contrast. “Lord of the Flies” → quick sting into governance and group psychology. Edward Bernays (Freud’s nephew) → modern advertising’s daddy. Goebbels/illusory truth → lies repeated into “truth.” Bill of Rights as neutral propaganda → when systems use the same tools. Episode Highlights Separate persuasion from propaganda; both use emotion, only one is trying to collapse your choices. The Three Levers: repetition, fear/anger, identity/duty. Why sunk cost and anxiety relief make simple stories irresistible; why leaving a tribe hurts. From ministries to micro-voices: the propagandist is your group chat now. Printing press → social feeds: reach without budgets, responsibility, or brakes. C.O.N.S.P.I.R.: a field test to flag conspiracy bait before you boost it. Prescription Watch a little C-SPAN to recalibrate your sense of “how things actually work,” then read 1984 with a stiff drink. Add one literary palate cleanser: Gogol’s “The Overcoat.” Model better conversations: John Ronson’s Things Fell Apart for compassionate curiosity across divides. Before you share, pull two or three outside sources; if you feel angry, pull a third. Start with Snopes. Nobody is immune. Short version: it’s not a trench-coat guy anymore. It’s your aunt. Use the levers to see the levers."Got Thoughts? Outrage? A Diagnosis of Your Own? Send us a text"Support the showShrink The Nation is where America lies on the couch — and we pour the bourbon. Hosted by board-certified psychiatrists and mental health pros with backgrounds in military, media, and systems thinking, we break down the psychology behind politics, culture, and public dysfunction. Smart. Funny. Clinically sharp. Slightly buzzed. Subscribe, rate, and share if you’re part of the exhausted middle looking for sanity in the noise. For feedback or hate-listening invitations, hit us at socials@shrinkthenation.com. Follow us everywhere: @shrinkthenation on X, Instagram, Facebook and Bluesky Shrink The Nation — On the Couch With America.

Aug 19, 2025 • 1h
Tapping Out: Hormones vs. Hype
Pour a glass of bourbon and settle in: Shrink the Nation is back to separate hormones from hype—why “testosterone made me do it” isn’t a clinical defense and why bad behavior is still…bad behavior. We get honest about what’s driving the ultra-masculine aesthetic in Gen Z men, the “death of shame” in public life (yes, including that White House headline), and how to give young men purpose without turning politics into a cage match. We map the real stuff—agency, work, competence, belonging—and the inner stuff—shame, grandiosity, and the Jung-y blend of masculine/feminine that actually builds intimacy and maturity (not just dominance theater). Along the way we raid the pop-culture pantry: Road House, Junior, Kindergarten Cop, Will Ferrell’s Janet Reno, and the Liam Neeson/Jason Statham archetype of measured strength. Then we pivot to education and AI, where we sketch how better tools (and better expectations) might keep young men from tapping out before they’ve even started. Pop Culture & References“UFC fight on the White House lawn” → the death-of-shame moment that kicked this off. Will Ferrell as Janet Reno → the comic image for integrating masculine & feminine. Junior (Schwarzenegger gets pregnant) → parody of “all masculine, all the time.” Kindergarten Cop (“It’s not a tumor”) cameo as we talk archetypes. Road House (1989, Swayze) > the remake → calibrated violence + caretaking as a masculinity template. Liam Neeson / Jason Statham → the “calm until decisive” hero model. Yin/Yang and Jung → why dominance without empathy never buys intimacy. Mark Twain’s “lies, damned lies, and statistics” → closing riff on data abuse. Dunkin’ Donuts, Monster, Red Bull → our ongoing, shameless (and unfunded) beverage pleas. Episode HighlightsSeparate biology from choice: hormones ≠ hall pass; responsibility still lives at the individual level. The “death of shame” and why public spectacle is replacing standards. Masculinity that works: strength with restraint, plus empathy and care. Education & AI: stop generic pipelines; build competence and future-proof skills. Paths to purpose: work, service, community—real stakes beat online status. PrescriptionSwap “testosterone made me do it” for “I chose that—and I can choose better.” Start there. If you’re drifting: pursue competence (school, trade, training), show up for real work, and pick a tribe that expects your best—without excusing your worst. Optional homework: watch Road House (1989), then ask where you’re strong, where you’re tender, and where you’re faking both. Join us for bourbon-fueled group therapy for America’s exhausted middle—clinical where it counts, funny where it helps, and always pro-responsibility over performative rage. (Also, som"Got Thoughts? Outrage? A Diagnosis of Your Own? Send us a text"Support the showShrink The Nation is where America lies on the couch — and we pour the bourbon. Hosted by board-certified psychiatrists and mental health pros with backgrounds in military, media, and systems thinking, we break down the psychology behind politics, culture, and public dysfunction. Smart. Funny. Clinically sharp. Slightly buzzed. Subscribe, rate, and share if you’re part of the exhausted middle looking for sanity in the noise. For feedback or hate-listening invitations, hit us at socials@shrinkthenation.com. Follow us everywhere: @shrinkthenation on X, Instagram, Facebook and Bluesky Shrink The Nation — On the Couch With America.

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Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 1min
Testo-Rage & Tenderness: Empathy for Gen Z Men
Young Gen Z men are navigating a complicated landscape of identity, influenced by aggressive political climates and cultural icons like UFC and WWE. The discussion highlights their challenges in finding belonging and purpose. Exploring the importance of empathy, the hosts dive into psychological struggles related to masculinity and the impact of societal expectations. They advocate for new narratives and communal experiences to replace outdated myths. Insights on the role of work and positive male role models also emphasize the path towards a more fulfilled identity.

Aug 12, 2025 • 1h 2min
Uncle Sam Back on the Couch: Bourbon, Archetypes, and the American Psyche
Pull up a seat—and maybe a plastic cup—because Uncle Sam is back on the couch, Old Crow Bourbon in hand. Not the fancy small-batch bottle… the gallon jug that once fueled the likes of President Ulysses S. Grant and Mark Twain, courtesy of Dr. James Crow’s 19th-century chemistry wizardry.David and Rob blend history, psychology, and bourbon-soaked banter to dissect America’s collective unconscious, borrowing from Carl Jung’s big ideas: archetypes, the shadow, and the midlife transition. We trace the U.S. from rebellious young upstart (with a little help from Lafayette, France’s creepiest-but-most-useful friend), to reluctant World War hero, to the aging protagonist in need of a rewrite—picture Superman III’s brooding bar scene with Old Crow in the glass.The question: can America gracefully step out of the hero archetype and into the wise mentor role? Or are we clinging to the cape until we turn into a parody of ourselves? Along the way, we take hard looks at the national “shadow”—slavery, inequality, and the gap between our founding ideals and lived reality—and call out our habit of slapping an Instagram filter over the whole thing.This episode isn’t therapy, but it is an 80-proof reflection on what it means to be authentically American: proud but self-aware, fierce but adaptable, able to laugh at our own glorious clusterf*** of a national identity while still aiming for something better.So pour a drink, settle in, and join us as we wrestle with the big question: what does Uncle Sam want to be when he grows up?"Got Thoughts? Outrage? A Diagnosis of Your Own? Send us a text"Support the showShrink The Nation is where America lies on the couch — and we pour the bourbon. Hosted by board-certified psychiatrists and mental health pros with backgrounds in military, media, and systems thinking, we break down the psychology behind politics, culture, and public dysfunction. Smart. Funny. Clinically sharp. Slightly buzzed. Subscribe, rate, and share if you’re part of the exhausted middle looking for sanity in the noise. For feedback or hate-listening invitations, hit us at socials@shrinkthenation.com. Follow us everywhere: @shrinkthenation on X, Instagram, Facebook and Bluesky Shrink The Nation — On the Couch With America.

Aug 7, 2025 • 55min
America on the Couch: A Psychological Exploration
What if the U.S. were in therapy? Laugh and ponder as hosts dissect America's identity crisis, exploring its hero complex and collective anxiety. They share insights from Carl Jung, reflecting on the struggle between national pride and division. With humor, they discuss aging public figures like Brett Favre and Tom Brady, examining the tension of retirement and legacy. The conversation swings from cultural influences like MrBeast to deeper issues like historical trauma, all while advocating for open dialogue and embracing the chaos.

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Aug 5, 2025 • 1h 3min
Presidents, Projection, and the Madness of Expectations
Dive into the psychological complexities of presidential expectations and the societal tendency to project our dreams and fears onto leaders. The hosts explore how nostalgia and childhood fantasies shape adult cynicism and the dangers of scapegoating in political discourse. They discuss the Freudian concept of projection and its impact on emotional dissonance and misunderstandings in governance. With humor and insight, they reveal how personal accountability and local action can counteract the media-fueled hysteria surrounding political figures.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 59min
The Power and Weight of Projection... And Some Other Stuff
Grab a drink and dive into the intriguing world of projection! The hosts explore how we unfairly place our hopes and dreams on leaders, revealing why we’re consistently let down. With a humorous twist, they reference Freud, dissect political idealism from FDR to Obama, and even critique Seinfeld's breakup advice. They navigate the complexities of modern relationships shaped by technology and discuss how societal expectations burden political figures. Plus, a whimsical nod to AI and education reminds us to take personal responsibility for our lives!

Jul 29, 2025 • 1h 2min
Back Into the Void (With Notes this Time!)
In a spirited mix of bourbon and banter, the hosts tackle Gen Z's struggles, exploring coddling and its roots in parental anxieties. They dive into the impact of social media algorithms on mental health, discussing the perils of doomscrolling and curated comfort. The conversation shifts to finding meaning in absurdity amid chaos, while also questioning conspiracy theories and community responsibility. With sharp humor and insightful wisdom, they encourage listeners to stay informed and seek personal significance in a polarized world.


