Pearls On, Gloves Off

Mary and Stefan Nunn unravel his journey from aspiring veterinarian to Legal Counsel at TravelPerk, highlighting the transformative power of legal operations, the innovative role of AI in the field, and the importance of entrepreneurial education and networking beyond the legal re From Vet Dreams to Legal Themes: A quirky leap from aspiring veterinarian to the legal counsel realm. Obstacles in the Legal Lane: The hurdles and exhilarating transition to legal operations. GW Pharmaceuticals and Self-Funding: Tales of contract administration and a self-funded legal practice course. Legal Ops - The Magic Wand: The transformative power of legal operations: think efficiency and standardization. TravelPerk - More than Just Travel: A deep dive into TravelPerk's tech-driven, efficient ethos where the legal team enables. AI in Legal? Heck Yes!: Generative AI's revolutionary impact on law and TravelPerk's tech-forward strategies. Education 2.0: A call for tech-savvy, entrepreneurial legal education. Stepping into Legal Ops: Golden advice: tribe-finding, mentor-seeking, and wide networking. Beyond Law: The potency of connections outside the legal bubble. The Future of Law: Reflecting on the profession's trajectory and the indispensability of business acumen. Stay Connected & Spread the Love: Mary's LinkedIn: Follow Here Ironclad's Socials: LinkedIn YouTube TikTok Show Some Love: Rate & Review on Apple Grab your headphones and dive in. Legal's never been this lively. 🎧🔥

In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off: Community at its Finest. Dive into the Irish Tech General Council, chaired and founded by Sarah. The LinkedIn Guru. Sarah’s insightful pieces on legal operations and tech are a must-read. A Seat at the Table. Why GCs need to report directly to the CEO in a rapidly expanding company. Choosing a CLM Provider. Sarah's playbook for picking a contract lifecycle management provider. Plus, a golden scorecard and RFP template! Burnout and AI. Sarah’s perspective on lawyer burnout and the revolutionary role of AI in the legal space. The Power of Unity. The sheer force of community building among legal professionals. They share, they care! Dublin's Tech Pulse. How the Dublin tech community is marking its space on the global map. GC Reporting - A Deeper Dive. Understanding the undeniable connection between GCs and the CEO. AI and the Legal Landscape. AI's potential, the upcoming AI act in the EU, and its ripples in the legal arena. Starting From Zero. Hear Sarah's journey of constructing a legal function from the ground up. Spoiler: Contractors and outside providers play a big part. Running Legal Smartly. Legal isn’t just about laws. It’s about efficiency, technology, and smart operations.   Connect With Us: Mary’s LinkedIn: Follow here Ironclad's LinkedIn: Follow here Ironclad's YouTube: Subscribe here Ironclad's TikTok: Check us out here Rate and Review: Show us some love on Apple Podcasts!

In this special episode of Pearls On, Gloves off: This isn't your regular episode. It's a mashup of three scintillating conversations from the one and only contracts talk show, Ironclad Live, which Mary hosted in Dallas on September 7th. Dive in as Mary engages with legal luminaries from St. Jude Hospital, the Houston Texans, and L'Oréal. Conversation 1: St. Jude Hospital with La'Resa Young Mary and La'Resa highlight the heart and soul of St. Jude: its mission and the importance of fostering a spirited, fun culture. The duo dive into the digital renaissance at St. Jude. Fresh systems, new-age policies, and the tech transformation underpinning it all. Ironclad's role? Massive. La'Resa underscores its stellar efficiency in contract and data management, and how it's been a time-saver. Conversation 2: Houston Texans with Sunil Jamal Gridiron chat! Sunil spills the beans on potential rebranding and new uniforms for the Houston Texans. It's more than a style update—it's a lot of contracts. How does Ironclad fit in? Sunil's praise says it all: streamlined contracts, quick access to data, and the AI edge that's redefining the game. A poker background? Sunil shares how his poker prowess translates into his legal and negotiation strategies. Conversation 3: L'Oréal with Charles Hurr Charles introduces Mary to L'Oréal's sunny star: La Roche-Posay sunscreen, the official sunscreen of the U.S. Open and the contracts that enable the partnership. AI and Ironclad: Charles discusses how AI is revolutionizing contract management, but not without its challenges. Napster-era copyright issues ring a bell? On a lighter note: Mary and Charles share their newfound love for pickleball, an unexpected gift from the pandemic times. Stay Connected! 📲 Follow Mary on LinkedIn 📲 Follow Ironclad on LinkedIn 🎥 Catch us on YouTube 💃🎵 Tune into our TikTok 🍏 Rate and review on Apple Podcasts

On this episode, Alex Kelly, Co-Founder and COO at Brightflag, joins Mary in the world of podcasting, legal operations and the evolving landscape of legal technology. Alex shares his experience running a podcast called "In-House Outliers," featuring conversations with legal leaders, including general counsels and legal operations professionals. The guests on his podcast mainly come from Brightflag’s customer base and community, with a focus on trailblazers and thought leaders in the legal ops industry. Alex talks about how the podcast serves as an educational platform, providing insights and lessons learned from experienced professionals to benefit the emerging generation within the legal ops field. The conversation shifts to Brightflag's role in the legal tech industry. Alex describes Brightflag as a modern e-billing and matter management platform for corporate legal teams. Their commitment is to help legal teams and their finance partners operate more efficiently, aided by AI-powered technology and exceptional customer support. Mary and Alex agree that while matter management entails capturing essential data and acting as a system of record for legal matters, the specific tools and software best suited for different legal functions may vary. The conversation turns to the changing ecosystem of legal tech. With an increasing variety of companies offering flexible talent, managed services and other specialized roles, it's important to select the right tech tool for each task. This includes contract workflows, IP management systems for intellectual property matters, and other specialized tools.   Resources mentioned: Alex Kelly - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexkellybrightflag/ Brightflag - https://www.linkedin.com/company/brightflag/ If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com. #LegalOps #LegalCareer

On this episode, Aine Lyons, Senior Vice President and Deputy General Counsel at VMware, joins Mary to talk about legal ops, her time at VMware and new technologies. More than a decade ago, Aine was approached by a former GC at VMware about taking on legal ops. She declined because she didn’t know anyone in legal ops and didn’t know anything about it. Times have certainly changed. Aine now sees a lot of movement in the industry surrounding digital transformation, with more companies adding chief transformation officers and legal transformation leads to their lineup. There is also a rise in the number of consultants, both independent and with the Big Four. Aine believes in using creative storytelling to communicate to the entire company the mission and successes that the legal department is a part of. She likens it to Formula 1 racing, using terms like fast-track sales ordering and smooth-track transitions. Aine is a believer in communication across departments, and she says the easiest way to learn about what others in the company are doing, is simply to ask. Most people naturally want to learn from or mentor others. Aine sees a transformation coming in the next 24 months surrounding generative AI tools, and she believes that legal professionals should embrace the changes and educate themselves to be prepared for the inevitable. Resources: Aine Lyons - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ainelyons/ VMware - https://www.linkedin.com/company/vmware/ If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com. #LegalOps #LegalCareer

On this episode, Lisa Gilley, Chief Legal Officer at Higher Logic, joins Mary to talk about, among other things, community and engagement and how the Higher Logic platform allows organizations to give their community a home where they can interact, share ideas, answer questions and stay connected. Engagement with customers is critical for customer retention in any community, and the legal community is no exception. True engagement ignites a community through the sharing of ideas and lighting a fire of excitement about an organization. Lisa works on a small, supportive and collaborative legal team, and that builds trust among team members and leadership. That trust empowers her and her team to build their department the way that they want it and to acquire the tools they need to do their jobs better. Many GCs ask how they can show their value to earn that kind of trust, and Lisa’s answer is to treat everyone in the organization like a customer and do your job in a way that creates customer satisfaction. Lisa’s advice for other solo GCs is to get in early with technology and scale your technology as your department grows. You’ll never regret having the tool in place. Resources: Lisa Gilley - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisagilley2021/ Higher Logic - https://www.linkedin.com/company/higher-logic/ If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com. #LegalOps #LegalCareer

On this episode, Katherine Roseveare, General Counsel - Global Functions, Global Operations and Legal Solutions, and Alex Herrity, Director - Global Legal Solutions at Adidas, join Mary to talk about managing technology in a global setting, the creative mindset of their legal team and building out a legal tech department and team from scratch. They talk through their creation of new legal technology for the company, which is based on three pillars: technology, efficiency and engagement. The technology is for maintaining a large portfolio, efficiency is about making legal as efficient as possible and engagement is making the legal team feel like one community. As they were building out a legal tech function, they had to learn a new way to work. They’ve gone from having outside tech business partners to having a tech product-led business, which created quite a change in their day-to-day lives. AI is a hot topic these days, and it’s high on the list for implementation into the legal tech they’re developing. They are being thoughtful and moving with the intention to make sure they use it for the right reasons.     Resources: Katherine Roseveare - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherine-roseveare-33b5a314 Alex Herrity - https://www.linkedin.com/in/legalopshezzle/ Adidas - https://www.adidas.com     If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com.   #LegalOps #LegalCareer  

On this episode, Liam Brown, Founder, Chairman and CEO at Elevate, joins Mary to talk about the evolving legal ecosystem, the importance of mentoring, the ways technology continues to help legal department professionals and much more. Liam talks about how his way of thinking about the legal ecosystem has changed over the years. He says the days are gone when business and law were completely separate, and they now work together in many different ways. He makes the argument that having a working understanding of legal issues is enough to solve many business problems and to make decisions without needing the advice of a lawyer. He likens it to having a working knowledge of data issues or technology functions. They talk about the next generation coming up in the legal system. Liam points out that everyone stands on the shoulders of the ones who come before them, and they should do everything they can to help the new generation thrive. They take a deep dive into technology and how it can help professionals in the legal department with their day-to-day operations. They also talk about the importance of collaboration and working together through good and bad times. Liam Brown - https://www.linkedin.com/in/liamjmbrown/ Elevate - https://www.linkedin.com/company/elevate-services/   If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com. #LegalOps #LegalCareer

On this episode, Cai GoGwilt, Co-Founder and Chief Architect at Ironclad, and Alex Su, Head of Community Development at Ironclad, join Mary to talk about generative AI and its effect on the legal industry. ChatGPT can change how people work in many different industries, and legal is no exception. Cai sees this as a valuable tool for legal professionals, but he says there are a lot of shortcomings with the platform as it is today. One problem people are finding is that ChatGPT can generate very authoritative but completely wrong answers to questions fed into it. He explains the difference between that and Ironclad AI, which is mostly context. Ironclad AI has years of real-world business intelligence to draw from to answer questions and perform tasks that are accurate based on that information. The group sees new AI tools as being a timesaver for legal professionals, especially those who work in corporate law. Cai sees corporate attorneys as having a leg up on using AI, in part because they know how to translate legalese into plain language. All three participants agree that this technology is here to stay, and it’s okay to stay on the sidelines for a while, but it is coming at us faster than we think. Cal GoGwilt - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cai-gogwilt-77b18a22/ Alex Su - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexander-su/ Ironclad - https://www.linkedin.com/company/ironclad-inc-/ If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com. #LegalOps #LegalCareer

On this episode, Terrene Collins, Director of Legal Operations and Chief of Staff to Chief Legal Officer at Panasonic North America,  joins Mary to talk about her career path. Like many legal ops professionals, Terrene is seeing massive rate increases from law firms, and she is pushing back, as difficult as that might be. She will look at rates from prior years, and if she sees a budget-busting significant rate increase, sometimes as much as 20% or 25%, she will call the firm out. Terrene has worked in various industries including financial services, pharma and technology. She talks about the differences she has experienced between the industries, which are often based on how long the company has had a legal ops department. She gives valuable insights on how to work with a GC and a CLO, and how to determine what it is they are looking for in order to move the organization forward. Terrene says the hardest part of the job is figuring out organizational priorities. Her focus for this year is to understand ways to drive savings in dealing with their outside counsel and to find ways for her team to add value to the organization. Terrene Collins - https://www.linkedin.com/in/terrene-collins-mba-a6403353/ Panasonic North America - https://www.linkedin.com/company/panasonic-northamerica/ If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a 5-star review. You can find more information, as well as the resources mentioned in this episode, at ironcladapp.com.     #LegalOps #LegalCareer