You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson

My guest today is Lea Petrasova, co-founder and CEO of Vexl, a peer-to-peer bitcoin app that lets people exchange bitcoin privately, without identification (KYC) or any middlemen. Lea is a prominent voice in the European cypherpunk community, dedicated to privacy, digital freedom, and restoring bitcoin’s original peer-to-peer design. We discuss why identity-linked bitcoin undermines true self-custody, how tightening cash controls and app-store censorship accelerate financial surveillance, and why Vexl chose to remain open-source and non-profit. Lea explains Vexl’s reputation-based trust model, the real risks of “dirty fiat,” and the growing global push toward CBDCs and digital IDs. We also explore how Vexl is evolving into a local marketplace for everything from food to services to hardware, showing how private, person-to-person exchange can quietly rebuild resilient, grassroots economies.→ Please like, comment, share & follow - to help me beat the suppressing big tech algorithms & gov. censorship. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHU → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC to detox Spike protein, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Be good to your eyes & health, and get the Daylight tablet - a healthier, more human-friendly computer, with zero flicker and zero blue light, by design. Thank me later ;-) https://bit.ly/Efrat_daylight → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Lea’s Twitter: https://x.com/LeaPetras Vexl’s Twitter: https://x.com/vexl Vexl’s Website: https://vexl.it/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 Coming Up…01:23 Introduction to Lea05:58 Leah's Journey: From Academia to Bitcoin09:08 The Birth of Vexl12:33 Ad Break: Trezor & Abundant Mines15:28 The Problem Vexl is Solving - Purchasing Bitcoin As Intended23:08 Vexl Locality & Reputation’s Model31:56 Ensuring User Safety & Bad Actor33:48 The 1984 Apple Campaign Hypocrisy on Privacy37:08 Launching The Freedom Store40:08 Privacy In Today’s Surveillance Reality43:58 Privacy in Bitcoin47:00 Balancing Trust & Usability in Privacy Tools54:00 Sustaining Open Source Projects, via Grants55:20 What Keeps Lea Motivated?

My guest today is Lorraine Marcel, founder of Bitcoin Dada and its technical arm Dada Devs for women across Africa. She’s a financial activist reshaping Africa’s fintech landscape by training women across 12 countries in financial literacy, Bitcoin fundamentals, and technical development. We talk about how mobile money like M-Pesa, limited banking access, and cultural barriers around property shape the economic reality for African women, and why Bitcoin in much of Africa is used first for payments and day-to-day survival rather than long-term savings. We also explore the expanding reach of CBDC and VASP regulation, and why women-led projects such as Tando and Dada Devs are critical for building practical, grassroots Bitcoin economies that actually serve people on the ground.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Lorraine’s Twitter: https://x.com/marcelorraine  Lorraine’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lorrainemarcel/ Bitcoin Dada Website: https://btcdada.com/ Dada Devs Website: https://dadadevs.com/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:50 - Lorraine's Background & Intro04:33 - Financial Challenges of African Women07:33 - Discovering Bitcoin & Initial Struggles09:33 - Building “Bitcoin Dada” For Women11:40 - Ad Break: Trezor & Abundant Mines20:45 - Lorraine’s Mission Improves Lives23:13 - Women’s Teaching Approach25:46 - Digital Payments & CBDCs in Kenya28:55 - Ad Break: Expat Money & New Totalitarian Order31:02 - Bitcoin Adoption & Regulation in Kenya, Surveillance & KYC33:58 - True Financial Empowerment34:58 - Women As Bitcoin Developers - Tando’s Case Study38:48 - Circular Economies in Africa42:48 - HODLing vs. Using Bitcoin for Payments47:58 - Recognition in Lorraine’s & Dada’s Impact51:10 - How to Support Bitcoin Dada & Dada Devs

My guest today is Carol Souza, co-founder of Area Bitcoin, one of the largest Bitcoin education platforms in Latin America, reaching hundreds of thousands across Brazil and the Portuguese-speaking world. Her path began not in tech or finance, but as a dentist, where Brazil’s inflation, POS payment fees, and daily operational fragilities pushed her to study money and ultimately adopt Bitcoin as a survival tool for her clinic. We discuss Brazil’s long history of hyperinflation, savings confiscation, and the deep fiat mindset that still shapes economic life. Carol explains how PIX, open banking, and the proposed Drex CBDC form a sophisticated financial-surveillance architecture, and why she sees Bitcoin as a sovereignty instrument rather than a speculative asset.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Carol’s Twitter: https://x.com/carol_bitcoin  Area Bitcoin’s Twitter: https://x.com/areabitcoin Area Bitcoin’s Website: https://www.areabitcoin.co/ “Bitcoin 4 all” English Course: https://www.areabitcoin.co/preview/bitcoin4all-en Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up01:42 - Intro To Carol Souza: Bitcoin Advocate03:40 - Carol's Journey to Bitcoin07:00 - Bitcoin & Broken Money in Brazil 11:15 - Ad Break12:40 - Outcomes of Bitcoin Education13:50 - Challenges of Accepting Solutions Like Bitcoin18:30 - Is Digitalization a Barrier?21:20 - Crypto vs. Bitcoin23:20 - Brazil's CBDC - Pix & Drex26:55 - Ad Break29:05 - CBDC in Brazil Contd.31:30 - Big Tech Censorship & Surveillance34:00 - Bitcoin Education and Activism37:00 - Open Source Education, AI & Vibe Coding45:00 - Designers & Developers Training in Bitcoin47:00 - Teaching Complex Bitcoin Concepts48:40 - The Future of Bitcoin Education

My guest today is Jeff G, privacy advocate and builder of censorship-resistant communication systems using Nostr and open cryptographic infrastructure. Jeff works on White Noise, a decentralized encrypted messaging project designed to remove single points of failure from private communication. We explore how the internet was built without native money and how that mistake created a surveillance economy where users became the product. We break down why “nothing to hide” is a psychological trap, how self-sovereign digital identity works through public-private key pairs, and why portable social graphs threaten centralized platform control. We also cover the global push for digital ID and CBDCs, the structural weakness of centralized messengers like Signal, and why real freedom now depends on rebuilding parallel, permissionless systems instead of trying to fix broken institutions.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Jeff’s Twitter: https://x.com/erskingardner Jeff’s Nostr: https://primal.net/jeffg White Noise App: https://www.whitenoise.chat/  Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up01:09 - Introduction & Meet Jeff: Privacy Advocate and Tech Innovator03:30 - Personal Responsibility, Privacy Online, and History of Internet Payments06:20 - Misconceptions About Privacy08:30 - The Future of Digital Identity and Decentralization09:15 - Ad Break12:00 - CBDCs & Digital IDs - Excessive Control13:05 - Nostr: Revolutionizing Digital Identity20:19 - White Noise: Revolutionizing Secure Communication22:12 - Quick Fire Questions27:10 - Final Thoughts & Call to Action

My guest today is Joe Bryan, tech entrepreneur & former Goldman Sachs derivatives trader turned Bitcoin educator and creator of the viral film What’s the Problem. After a decade building tech businesses, Joe set out to craft a story that explains why the world needs Bitcoin. His film, now translated into more than 40 languages, uses Pixar-style storytelling to reveal how the fiat system quietly steals from everyone and why separating money from the state is essential. We discuss the compounding creep of digital control, the rise of digital IDs and CBDCs, Bitcoin’s evolution into “perfect money,” and Joe’s mission to help the world see and resist the problem before it’s too late.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Joe’s Twitter: https://x.com/satmojoe Joe’s Film “What's The Problem?” : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtFOxNbmD38 Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up01:30 - Intro to Joe & The Viral Video “What’s The Problem”07:35 - The Problem With The Fiat System 10:45 - UK’s Digital IDs & State of Control14:30 - Ad Break: Trezor, BitVault & Abundant Mines17:10 - Tradeoffs Between Security & Sovereignty in The Digital Identity Era20:40 - Can Bitcoin Be Scaled & Mass Adopted?22:30 - Joe’s Visit At The Swedish Parliament25:50 - Rapid Fireside Questions & Closing Thoughts

My guest today is Samuel Kullmann, a Member of Parliament from Switzerland’s Canton Bern, entrepreneur, and one of Europe’s first openly pro-Bitcoin politicians. His journey began in 2015 when the Swiss National Bank dropped its euro peg, pushing him to study money, move from gold to Bitcoin, and embrace hard-money principles. We discuss how Switzerland’s decentralized system — shared executive power, binding referendums, and a constitutional “debt brake” — aligns with Bitcoin’s ethos. Samuel details his opposition to Switzerland’s new digital ID law, warning of normalization and future linkage with CBDCs. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Samuel’s Twitter: https://x.com/samuelkullmann Samuel’s Nostr: nostr_politician@primal.net Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:30 - Introduction to Samuel: Swiss Politician & Bitcoin Advocate03:50 - Bitcoin Advocacy 06:40 - Politicians in Bitcoin Generally, and Specifically in Switzerland08:55 - Separating Money & State in Switzerland10:31 - Swiss Referendum System & Direct Democracy16:44 - Digital ID in Switzerland22:58 - Concerns About Digital ID Linked to CBDCs28:11 - Short Questions & Closing Remarks

In this interview with Viva Frei I talk about my path from freedom activism to Bitcoin. I was born in Israel in 1980 to a family of Holocaust survivors and builders of the early state. During COVID I watched Israel impose coercive measures like the Green Pass and saw a sign that said “Reserved for vaccinated only.” It reminded me of my grandfather’s stories from pre-war Europe and pushed me to protest. That experience made me study freedom more deeply, especially in money. I learned how fiat, inflation and fractional-reserve banking rob people, then discovered Bitcoin as sound money with fixed supply and no central control. I explain how it differs from crypto and from CBDCs, and why self-custody is the foundation of sovereignty. For me Bitcoin is not just money, it is a stand for human freedom.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –This interview on Viva’s Rumble channel: https://rumble.com/v70qdei-live-from-lugano-plan-b-in-switzerland-w-efrat-fenigson-and-prince-filip-ka.html Viva on Rumble: https://www.youtube.com/@VivaFrei Viva on YouTube: https://rumble.com/user/vivafrei?e9s=src_v1_cbl Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://bit.ly/zap_efrat -- CHAPTERS –0:00 - Coming Up…01:34 - Efrat’s Background and Family History05:31 - Protesting Covid’s Green Pass in Israel08:26 - Efrat’s Intro to Bitcoin & Gold11:26 - Fiat Money, Inflation & Sounds Money20:09 - Major Difference Between Crypto & Bitcoin22:49 - Bitcoin’s Decentralization & Satoshi’s Story24:49 - CBDCs vs. Bitcoin28:19 - Future of Bitcoin & Potential Risks33:19 - Conclusion

My guest today is Nick Anthony, a policy analyst at the Cato Institute, a fellow at HRF, and one of the clearest voices dissecting CBDCs, financial privacy, and government overreach. He authored the book “digital currency or digital control?” and advocates for freedom and privacy. In this episode, we explore how governments use propaganda to sell CBDCs as “digital cash,” despite public resistance, and how pilots in China and The Bahamas reveal low adoption and rising coercion. Nick explains why control is a universal temptation across democracies and autocracies, and how the Bank Secrecy Act created 55 years of normalized financial monitoring in the United States. We discuss the distinction between stablecoins and CBDCs, the slow global rollout of digital currencies, and why Bitcoin’s censorship resistance remains essential, alongside other freedom tech tools. He also shares insights from his work maintaining HRF’s CBDC Tracker, his visit to the European Parliament, and his warning that even if CBDCs fail, today’s financial system already operates as a surveillance regime.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn→ Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Nick’s Twitter: https://x.com/EconWithNick Cato Institute Twitter: https://x.com/CatoInstitute HRF’s CBDC Tracker: https://cbdctracker.hrf.org/home Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:39 - Meet Nick Anthony: Policy Analyst & CBDC Critic03:03 - What Problems CBDC Pretends to Solve?04:48 - CBDCs: Problems and Propaganda08:03 - Real-World Examples: China & The Bahamas13:59 - Ad Break: Trezor, BitVault & Abundant Mines16:39 - Stablecoins vs. CBDCs: A Critical Comparison21:56 - The Future of CBDCs, And Bitcoin's Role24:13 - Financial Privacy, Bitcoin and Cash31:54 - Message to CBDC Legislators33:08 - Nick’s Visit to the EU Parliament35:08 - How To Explain Why We Need An Exit36:53 - Wholesale vs. Retail CBDCs

My guest today is Diana, she is the co-founder of Bitcoin House Bali and organizer of the Bitcoin Indonesia Conference. She left a corporate life in Germany in 2022, sold her belongings for Bitcoin, moved to Bali, and began rebuilding local Bitcoin adoption through practical education and community infrastructure. In this episode, we look at the realities in Indonesia: bank accounts closed after short inactivity, constant transaction monitoring, restrictions on moving money across islands, and limited financial agency for women. Bitcoin offers sovereignty in that environment. We discuss the role of women in integrating Bitcoin socially, the expansion to 38 meetups across Indonesia, and the aim of decentralizing leadership. We also cover lessons from running a national conference under bureaucratic pressure, and what it means to work in a place where censorship and instability are already visible. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn → Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Diana’s Twitter: https://x.com/bulebitcoin Bitcoin House Bali Twitter: https://x.com/btchousebali Bitcoin Indonesia Website: https://bitcoinindonesia.xyz/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:10 - Introduction to Diana03:40 - Starting Bitcoin House Bali10:10 - Ad Break:  Trezor & BitVault11:34 - How Diana Educates Locals14:14 - How Bitcoin Helps Protect People & Human Rights 20:00 - Encourage Women to Join Bitcoin25:29 - Ad Break: Abundant Mines & Expat Money27:42 - Lessons from Organizing a Conference32:00 - Future Vision for Bitcoin in Indonesia36:00 - Personal Lessons From Diana’s Journey39:20 - Efrat on the Changing Financial System41:20 - Quickfire Questions & Closing Thoughts

My guest today is Alan Miller, co-founder of the Together Association, a nationwide civil-liberties movement ensuring the public—not technocrats—remain at the heart of politics. Alan’s career spans four decades of creative and civic entrepreneurship: from pioneering acid-house parties and co-creating London’s cultural hub The Old Truman Brewery, to co-founding the Night-Time Industries Association and leading the #OpenForAll campaign during lockdowns. In this conversation, we discuss UK’s policy on free speech, protest rights, Digital ID, Net Zero, Low-Traffic Neighbourhoods, and more. We examine how COVID-era controls became a template for centralization, why free speech and privacy form the core of democratic accountability, and how technology can either entrench surveillance or empower autonomy through open protocols like Nostr and Bitcoin. Alan makes the case for an active citizenry, analog-digital parity of rights, and a future where liberty is defended not by elites, but by the public itself.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS --→ Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn → Shield your bitcoin with time-delayed transactions over multisig with BitVault: https://bit.ly/bitvault_efrat → Have you tried mining bitcoin? Stack sats directly to your wallet while saving on taxes with Abundant Mines: https://AbundantMines.com/Efrat – AFFILIATES –→ Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)→ Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat → Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat → Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Alan's Twitter: https://x.com/alanvibe Open letter petition: https://together.eaction.org.uk/directorsAll Digital ID related activities: https://togetherdeclaration.org/campaigns/no-to-digital-id/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Channels: https://linktr.ee/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up01:38 - Alan Miller's Background03:11 - The Impact of COVID-19 on Social Life05:40 - Vaccine Passports The History of ID’s 12:09 - Ad Break: Trezor & BitVault13:31 - UK: Current Status & Digital ID Concerns19:30 - Global Technocratic Influences22:15 - Ad Break: Abundant Mines & Expat Money24:27 - The Risks of Digital ID & Centralized Systems35:00 - Public Resistance 37:40 - Freedom Tech Innovations: Nostr & Bitcoin44:00 - 12K Arrests in UK for “Non-Crime Hate Incidents” 55:00 - Actions You Can Take & Upcoming Events1:04:00 - Finding Hope in Collective Action