You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson

My guest today is Francis Pouliot, long-time Bitcoin advocate, cypherpunk entrepreneur, and CEO of Bull Bitcoin, Canada’s leading Bitcoin-only exchange. Known for his uncompromising stance on self-custody, privacy, and resistance to state overreach, Francis has been a vocal defender of Bitcoin’s founding ethos for over a decade. He is also a key figure in Bitcoin Jungle, a circular economy in Costa Rica where hundreds of merchants transact daily in Bitcoin. In this episode, Francis shares how his background in Austrian economics and libertarian politics, combined with the wake-up call of COVID, led him to relocate from Canada to Costa Rica. We explore the creation and growth of Bitcoin Jungle, why farmers markets are fertile ground for adoption, and how his “scale versus compromise” framework guides strategic decisions in building Bitcoin infrastructure. Francis opens up about the tension of running a regulated exchange while opposing KYC, his mission to make self-custody as seamless as custodial services, and why Bitcoin’s payments layer is as critical as its store-of-value function. He dismantles the “Bitcoin is hijacked” myth spread by Roger Ver & others, addresses skepticism from the red-pilled community, and explains why barter and cash cannot scale for true financial freedom. → If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Francis’ Twitter: https://x.com/francispouliot_ Bull Bitcoin Website: https://www.bullbitcoin.com/ Francis’ Nostr: francis@nostrplebs.com Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:18 - Intro to Francis & His Covid Wakeup Call05:38 - Costa Rica During Covid06:38 - Francis Interest in Austrian Economics & Libertarianism09:08 - Francis Journey Into Bitcoin & Bull Bitcoin13:08 - Private Property & Self-Custody17:18 - Efrat’s Revelation of the Fiat Scam20:58 - The Birth of Bitcoin Jungle Circular Economy30:38 - Custodial vs. Non-Custodial Bitcoin Solutions35:18 - The New Revolution: Build Tech That Creates New Reality40:48 - The Circular Community in Costa Rica & Globally45:48 - Bull Bitcoin: Freedom vs. Compliance & Regulation53:38 - Struggle Between Scale & Compromise - Cypherpunk Values1:00:38 - Understanding Bitcoin: Overcoming Skepticism & Claims Against It1:04:08 - Shortcomings of Cash, Barter, Gold1:07:48 - Roger Ver Attempt To Hijack Bitcoin and Damage to Bitcoin & Freedom Community1:18:08 - Can Bitcoin Be Coopted By Those Who Hold The Most Bitcoin?1:21:08 - Resist By Minimize Interface With Fiat/Matrix/Institutions

My guest today is Bob Burnett, veteran technologist, former Gateway CTO, and now CEO of Barefoot Mining. From consumer tech pioneer with eight U.S. patents to leader in sovereign Bitcoin mining, Bob shares his vision for “wild mining,” where miners own their energy using innovative energy sources. He challenges the myth that mining is only for massive corporations, showing how small, strategically placed operations can be both profitable and decentralizing. We discuss adoption curves, block template decentralization, why nation-states should build mining infrastructure before buying Bitcoin reserves, lessons from the early PC revolution, and the coming energy race with AI and High-Performance Computing.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Bob’s Twitter: https://x.com/boomer_btc Barefoot Mining: barefootmining.com Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 – Coming Up01:29 – Bob’s Background & His Long Tech Career05:15 – Bob’s Patents & Innovations, Early Adopter Mindset10:00 – Leap Frog Into New Tech Frontiers - AI & Bitcoin14:00 – PC As Prerequisite For The Internet Revolution17:00 – Good & Bad Actors19:00 – Why Bob Chose Bitcoin Mining21:10 – Bob’s Bitcoin Mining 101 Explanation25:00 – Why Bitcoin & Barefoot Mining?34:20 – Smaller Scale 0.5-5MW “Wild” Mining Sites Can Be As Cost Effective As Larger 50-200MW Sites39:40 – Barefoot Mining Expansion41:40 – The Energy Landscape and Bitcoin Mining43:44 – Opportunities for Small-Scale Mining46:39 – Meaning of HODL & Role of Citizens in Bitcoin48:24 – Key Trends in Bitcoin, Inc. Template Creation54:54 – Political Implications & Weaponization of Bitcoin Mining1:00:54 – Economic Sovereignty through Mining1:04:36 – The OP_Return Debate & Facilitating Change1:12:06 – Bob’s Hope for the Future

My guest today is the internationally renowned chef Pete Evans, bestselling author, and outspoken advocate for regenerative health and personal sovereignty. He built a successful career in the culinary world with over 30 cookbooks and award-winning restaurants, and after shifting to regenerative health and holistic wellness, he became one of the first high-profile figures to be widely deplatformed. In this episode, Pete shares how his journey from celebrity chef to wellness crusader began with a shift to ancestral eating that radically transformed his health. We dive into his clash with mainstream media, his exploration of psychedelics and spiritual growth, and how Bitcoin became the missing link in his pursuit of holistic sovereignty. Pete explains why Bitcoiners might hold the key to a global health revolution, and how financial freedom and health are deeply intertwined. From detoxing modern life to building vitality through conscious choices, Pete calls for radical accountability and curiosity.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Pete’s Twitter: https://x.com/peteevanschefx Pete’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chefpeteevans/ Pete’s new book - “The Primal Code”, Amazon - hard cover: https://www.amazon.com/Primal-Code-Peter-Evans/dp/1764057902 Pete’s new book - “The Primal Code”, Apple - digital version: https://books.apple.com/us/book/the-primal-code/id6747148044 Pete’s Website: https://peteevans.com/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 - Coming Up…01:20 - Introduction to Chef Pete Evans06:08 - The Impact Pete Made Using Ancestral Diets12:58 - Pete Becoming Public Enemy No. 1 In Australia & Facing Media Backlash15:05 - The Health-Media-Money Incentive Structure18:05 - Media’s Role During Covid Hysteria21:15 - Impact of Cancel-Culture on Pete: Personal Growth34:55 - Bitcoin Entering Pete’s Life40:44 - Health, Vitality & Bitcoin: Insights & Reflections45:44 - The Intersection of Regenerative Health & Wealth51:44 - “Sprayed”, Geo-engineered Food & Health Impacts1:01:32 - Thoughts, Beliefs & Leaning In To Uncertainty1:13:54 - Interested In A Retreat in Australia?1:16:54 - Living in the Present & Celebrating Uniqueness

Preston Pysh, an engineer, Apache helicopter pilot, and co-founder of The Investor’s Podcast Network, delves into the transformative power of Bitcoin. He highlights how his military background shaped his understanding of Bitcoin as a superior store of value. The discussion covers the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies and the innovative financial strategies inspired by MicroStrategy. Preston also addresses the psychological shift needed to embrace Bitcoin, the dangers of institutional inertia, and the future landscape of finance shaped by cryptocurrency.

My guest today is Eric Weiss, founder of Blockchain Investment Group and one of the earliest institutional investors in Bitcoin. In this episode, Eric shares how his background as a proprietary bond trader and early internet VC led him to Bitcoin in 2013, and how he eventually played a key role in orange-pilling Michael Saylor. We explore the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies, the structural tax advantages driving public Bitcoin adoption across countries like Brazil and Japan, and the global capital shift from legacy equities to Bitcoin-backed firms. Eric offers a grounded take on Bitcoin’s role as a store of value, argues against the need for it to replace fiat currencies, and explains why stablecoins could reinforce U.S. monetary dominance. He reflects on Stoic philosophy, personal responsibility, and the ethics of building something that benefits everyone. This is a conversation about conviction, sovereignty, and why the future of finance is being quietly rewritten, one balance sheet at a time.00:00 Coming Up…01:10 Meet Eric Weiss: Early Bitcoin Institutional Investor02:25 Eric’s Role in The Bitcoin Ecosystem06:02 The Impact of Bitcoin Treasury Companies On Bitcoin Adoption?08:00 Eric’s Path: From Wall Street to Bitcoin13:00 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Early Bitcoin Investing16:40 People Get Bitcoin in The Right Time For Them 19:04 What Does Success Mean to Eric?21:46 The Musical Chairs of the Monetary Order26:00 Bitcoin + Stablecoins: A Future Financial Operating System?28:53 Will the U.S. Face Global Pushback Over Dollar Dominance?34:00 CBDCs Will Accelerate Bitcoin Adoption37:56 Why Bitcoin? A Moral and Ethical Mission39:16 Michael Saylor, Friendship, and Shared Vision47:00 Life Beyond Bitcoin: Travel, Chess & Meditation49:00 Eric’s Advice to New Bitcoiners► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Eric’s Twitter: https://x.com/Eric_BIGfund Blockchain Investment Group Website: https://big.fund/about/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson

My guest today is Kevin McKernan, a renowned genomicist and biotech pioneer, founder of Medicinal Genomics and contributor to the Human Genome Project. In this episode, Kevin exposes his discovery of DNA contamination in COVID-19 injections, revealing Pfizer's bait-and-switch between clinical trials and mass production, with SV40 viral sequences and bacterial DNA deliberately hidden from regulators. We discuss his journey from sequencing the first cannabis genome to becoming one of the most censored voices in vaccine safety research, and his battle against captured agencies like the FDA and EMA. Kevin shares his findings on persistent spike protein production, rising cancer rates, and excess mortality in heavily vaccinated populations like Japan. We also explore his vision for decentralizing science through Bitcoin and peer-to-peer technologies, drawing parallels between cellular respiration and ATP to Bitcoin's proof-of-work system. Join us for this conversation about scientific fraud, regulatory capture, and building censorship-resistant systems to reclaim both genetic integrity and scientific truth from corrupt institutions.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Kevin’s Twitter: https://x.com/kevin_mckernan Kevin’s Nostr: npub1k8dxqxgnv2p6ymwkamfrx237qjct3zezsx2xevt6z6nzdgalff3qy94qte Kevin’s Newsletter: anandamide.substack.com Kevin’s Website: https://medicinalgenomics.com/ Kevin’s keynote in Prague: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlgpbxb8EAA Our panel from BTC Prague: https://www.efrat.blog/p/censorship-of-free-speech-and-health Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonWatch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson

Our guests today are Pierre and Morgen Rochard, co-hosts of the “Bitcoin for Advisors” podcast and leading advocates for integrating Bitcoin into long-term financial planning. In this episode, Pierre shares how Austrian economics and open-source philosophy led him to Bitcoin in 2012, and how his new venture, “The Bitcoin Bond Company”, aims to unlock institutional credit markets using sound money. Morgen reflects on her background in traditional finance and explains how she helps individuals match long-term goals with long-term assets like Bitcoin. We discuss the cultural clash between fiat excess and Bitcoin values, the growing trend of corporate treasury adoption, and the risks of financialization without education. Pierre and Morgen break down the freedoms enabled by Bitcoin, and caution against over-leveraging and chasing returns. Above all, this is a conversation about financial sovereignty, purposeful planning, and bridging old systems with a better monetary future.► This episode is part of the "Bitcoin Vegas 2025 Special" in collaboration with Ben Samocha, Founder of Israel’s CryptoJungle and Crypto Talks podcast.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow  and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Morgen’s Twitter: https://x.com/MorgenRochard Pierre’s Twitter: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre Bitcoin for Advisors Podcast: https://bit.ly/40gk46q Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonBen's Twitter: https://x.com/bensamocha Ben's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-samocha/ Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 Coming Up…01:10 Introducing Pierre & Morgen Rochard02:30 Reflections on Vegas & The Bitcoin Conference05:30 Wall Street, Nation States & Individual Adoption06:48 From a Doomer Mindset to A Constructive Transition10:20 Discovering Bitcoin: Their Personal Journeys & Austrian Economics14:30 What Makes Bitcoin Special?17:35 How Bitcoin enables rational decision-making19:20 Bitcoin Bond Company Explained: Bridging Traditional Finance27:00 Spiritual Foundations for Honest Money28:45 Biggest Risks and Rewards for Bitcoin33:45 Financial Education & Financial Planning36:35 Ripple/XRP Lobbying & Misinformation Campaigns41:30 Ripple Funding $5m for Anti-Climate Anti-Bitcoin Campaign  44:10 Bitcoin Treasury Companies: The Trend49:40 How to Build a Bitcoin-Aware Portfolio54:00 Most Memorable Research at Riot59:50 Finding Hope in God, Family & Community

My guest today is Susie Violet Ward, CEO and co-founder of Bitcoin Policy UK, a financial analyst and journalist (Forbes) focused on Bitcoin and the environment. In this episode, Susie unpacks the regulatory hostility toward Bitcoin in the UK, from the FCA’s refusal to distinguish it from crypto, to the media’s relentless misinformation, especially by the BBC. We discuss her personal journey from accountant to developer to Bitcoiner, and the uphill battle of educating regulators, advocating for mining, and defending financial sovereignty. Susie shares her efforts to expose flawed climate narratives, resist CBDCs, and challenge the FATF Travel Rule’s surveillance overreach. We also explore the risks of mining centralization, media capture, and why misunderstanding at the top is often worse than malice. Above all, this is a conversation about standing up for truth, pushing back against state overreach, and building a decentralized future, one policy at a time. ► This episode is part of the "Bitcoin Vegas 2025 Special" in collaboration with Ben Samocha, Founder of Israel’s CryptoJungle and Crypto Talks podcast.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Susie’s Twitter: https://x.com/DecentraSuze Bitcoin Policy UK Twitter: https://x.com/BitcoinPolicyUK Susie’s Forbes Column: https://www.forbes.com/sites/susievioletward/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonBen's Twitter: https://x.com/bensamocha Ben's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-samocha/ Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 Coming Up…01:10 Introducing Susie & Bitcoin Policy UK 06:30 Current Bitcoin Policy & public adoption in the UK11:10 The State of Mainstream Media and Bitcoin Sentiment12:45 Bankers & Politicians Understanding of Bitcoin14:30 Susie’s FOI with The BBC19:00 UK Legislation & Regulation Concerns20:00 Dangers of KYC & the FATF Travel Rule, and MiCA26:00 Belief in the System, Leading To Mass Surveillance & CBDC29:50 Taxation and Privacy in the Digital Age35:00 Centralization Risks of Bitcoin Mining - clip 3738:00 The Digital Pound / CBDC Developments41:40 “Climate Change” Policies44:30 The Importance of Studying Bitcoin46:15 Susie’s Message of Hope

My guests today are JD and Britney, the couple behind “American Family Road Trip”, a faith-led family of ten living full-time on the road in a self-renovated bus. Since 2018, they’ve embraced a life of minimalism, homeschooling, and Bitcoin, all while raising eight children across the backroads of America and beyond. In this episode, JD and Brittney share how leaving behind their 7,000-square-foot house gave them the freedom to invest fully in their family, faith, and values. We explore their approach to road schooling, generational legacy, and why time is the most precious currency. They also reveal how Bitcoin aligns with their philosophy of sovereignty, self-reliance, and long-term thinking, and how it inspired JD to launch SatSaver, a seed phrase encryption solution for self-custody. Above all, this is a conversation about choosing intentionality over comfort, building strong family culture, and raising children equipped with tools, not baggage.► This episode is part of the "Bitcoin Vegas 2025 Special" in collaboration with Ben Samocha, Founder of Israel’s CryptoJungle and Crypto Talks podcast.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –JD & Britney’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/americanfamilyroadtrip/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonBen's Twitter: https://x.com/bensamocha Ben's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-samocha/ Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 Coming Up…01:35 Meet JD & Britney Lott: A family of 10 traveling in a converted bus04:12 Why Transition From a 7,000 Sq Ft House to a Renovated Bus?06:15 The Philosophy of Freedom vs. Security08:50 Parenting and Core Values Vs. Society’s Expectations12:32 Discovering Bitcoin & Long Term Vision20:00 Education Priorities &  Kid’s Exposure to Screens23:54 Introducing Sat Saver - Encrypted Seed Phrase 30:10 Road Schooling and Family Focus31:12 Homeschooling Methods and Travelling to Educational Sites39:20 Challenges and Adventures on the Road45:15 Advice for Families Considering Road Tripping51:00 Final Thoughts & Reflections

My guest today is Joe Kelly, co-founder and CEO of Unchained, a leading Bitcoin financial services company known for its collaborative custody model. A long-time entrepreneur and early Bitcoin adopter, Joe has built one of the most trusted platforms for secure key management, estate planning, and Bitcoin-backed lending. In this episode, Joe shares how his unconventional upbringing in Alaska and years living on a sailboat shaped his frontier mentality and entrepreneurial drive. We discuss why Unchained is Bitcoin-only, how multisig remains the gold standard for custody, and why legacy finance models are incompatible with Bitcoin’s ethos. Joe also breaks down the regulatory grey zones surrounding lending, inheritance, and self-custody, and offers a sober perspective on avoiding the next wave of over-leveraged failures. Above all, this is a conversation about designing resilient systems, building for longevity, and preserving individual sovereignty in a Bitcoin-native future.► This episode is part of the "Bitcoin Vegas 2025 Special" in collaboration with Ben Samocha, Founder of Israel’s CryptoJungle and Crypto Talks podcast.► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you!-- SPONSORS & AFFILIATES --►► Get your TREZOR wallet & accessories, with a 5% discount, using my code at checkout (get my discount code from the episode - yep, you’ll have to watch it): https://affil.trezor.io/SHUn ►► Get 10% off on Augmented NAC, with the code YCXKQDK2 via this link: https://store.augmentednac.com/?via=efrat (Note, this is not medical advice and you should consult your MD)►► Watch “New Totalitarian Order” conference with Prof. Mattias Desmet & Efrat - code EFRAT for 10% off: https://efenigson.gumroad.com/l/desmet_efrat ►► Get a second citizenship and a plan B to relocate to another country with Expat Money, leave your details for a follow up: https://expatmoney.com/efrat ►► Join me in any of these upcoming events: https://www.efrat.blog/p/upcoming-events -- LINKS –Joe’s Twitter: https://x.com/josephkelly Unchained’s Twitter: https://x.com/unchained Unchained’s Website: https://www.unchained.com/ Efrat's Twitter: https://twitter.com/efenigsonEfrat's Telegram: https://t.me/efenigsonBen's Twitter: https://x.com/bensamocha Ben's LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-samocha-728147153/ Watch/listen on all platforms: https://linktr.ee/yourethevoiceSupport Efrat's work: ⁠https://www.buymeacoffee.com/efenigson   ⁠Support Efrat with Bitcoin: https://geyser.fund/project/efenigson-- CHAPTERS –00:00 – Coming Up01:11 – Intro to Joe Kelly02:30 – Alaska. living on a sailboat & approach to business05:30 – Joe’s businesses & entrepreneurship07:15 – Bitcoin’s Long Terms Potential09:50 – The Difference Between Bitcoin & Crypto 12:50 – Why “Unchained” Was Founded17:50 – Handling Inheritance & Estate Planning19:30 – Why Multisig Over Multi-Party Computation (MPC)24:50 – What “Bitcoin-Native” Really Means29:50 – Regulatory Clarity For Unchained 31:20 – Risk Management Policies for Investors & Borrowers35:10 – US Regulation & Legal Hurdles 40:20 – Mistakes & Scaling in Bull Markets42:00 – Lessons from Being a Pilot & Decision-Making45:40 – What Gives Joe Hope