

Reversing Climate Change
Carbon Removal Strategies LLC
Reversing Climate Change is a podcast that bridges science, technology, and policy with the richness of the humanities. From the forefront of carbon removal and climatetech to explorations of literature, history, philosophy, theology, and geopolitics, we dive deep into the people, ideas, and innovations shaping a better future for the planet and its inhabitants.
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Mar 5, 2021 • 41min
A jaunt to the climate crises of deep time—w/ Peter Brannen, author of The Ends of the World
A temperature rise of three or four degrees doesn’t seem like a big deal… Until you go back a few million years and start exploring what the world looked like the last time the Earth was that hot and CO2 levels were even higher than they are now.
Peter Brannen is an award-winning science journalist. His work has appeared in The New York Times, WIRED and The Guardian, among many other national publications. He is also the author of The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth’s Past Mass Extinctions. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Peter joins Ross to discuss his most recent article in The Atlantic, ‘The Terrifying Warning Lurking in the Earth’s Ancient Rock Record.’
Peter explains what the planet was like during the Pliocene (the last time CO2 reached 400 PPM), the Miocene (500 PPM) and the Eocene (600-plus PPM), describing how rising levels of carbon dioxide might transform the Earth as we know it. Listen in for Peter’s insight on what an understanding of deep time can teach us about the impact climate change has on the planet and help us appreciate the difference three degrees can make.
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‘The Terrifying Warning Lurking in the Earth’s Ancient Rock Record’ in The Atlantic
The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth’s Past Mass Extinctions by Peter Brannen
Peter on Reversing Climate Change EP087
David Grinspoon
David Grinspoon on Reversing Climate Change: Geology Cage Match! The Sapiezoic vs. the Anthropocene—w/ Dr. David Grinspoon, astrobiologist
David Grinspoon on Reversing Climate Change S1E47: 47: David Grinspoon, Astrobiologist
The Long Thaw: How Humans Are Changing the Next 100,000 Years of Earth’s Climate by David Archer
Jessica Tierney on Twitter
Ted Scripps Fellowship Program
‘Atmospheric CO2: Principal Control Knob Governing Earth’s Temperature’ in Science
Wallace Broecker

Mar 2, 2021 • 1h 17min
S2E53: Paul Kingsnorth on the shared roots of climate crisis, transhumanism, & immortality
Paul Kingsnorth is tired of talking about the scope of the climate crisis. In his view, we can’t fix climate change. But we can uncover the spiritual root of the problem and explore how we might live through it.
Paul is the founder of The Dark Mountain Project and a prolific writer of poetry, fiction, and nonfiction. His latest release, the novel Alexandria, serves as the capstone of the acclaimed Buckmaster Trilogy. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Paul joins Ross to discuss the connection Paul sees between transhumanism and the climate crisis, explaining what’s behind our ideology against limits and why he believes the mind and soul can’t live separate from the body.
Paul shares his take on capitalism versus distributism, describing how systems of radical local democracy would root us in community and prevent the kind of scale that leads to tyranny. Listen in for Paul’s insight on the emptying of the will at the heart of most religious traditions and learn why he believes a connection with something greater than ourselves is key to effective activism.
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Paul’s Website
The Dark Mountain Project
Alexandria by Paul Kingsnorth
Confessions of a Recovering Environmentalist and Other Essays by Paul Kingsnorth
Savage Gods by Paul Kingsnorth
Ronald Wright on The Progress Trap
What Technology Wants by Kevin Kelly
The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect by Roger Williams
‘The Immortal’ by Jorge Luis Borges
Gnosticism
Distributism
Catholic Social Teaching
Dorothy Day
Rerum Novarum, papal encyclical by Pope Leo XIII
The Kingdom of God is Within You by Leo Tolstoy
Hieromonk Gabriel on Orthodox Christianity and Politics
God’s Secretaries: The Making of the King James Bible by Adam Nicolson

Feb 26, 2021 • 29min
What makes an online climate community work?—w/ Evan Hynes of Climatebase
In the new community economy, many content creators have moved beyond simply sharing ideas with an audience. For many the goal is to facilitate connection among their followers and foster a sense of belonging. So, how can businesses and organizations in the climate space leverage community to shape the low-carbon future we need?
Evan Hynes is a Cofounder at Climatebase, a platform that makes it easy to discover jobs, people, and organizations working to solve the climate crisis. On this bonus episode of the podcast, Evan joins Ross to discuss how Climatebase has evolved into a professional network for the climate space, sharing his team’s mission to build a one-stop shop for climate opportunities.
Evan explores the sense of belonging that comes from being a part of a few small, unique climate communities and challenges content creators to complement each other rather than compete for attention. Listen in for Evan’s insight on following a healthy ‘information diet’ and learn how you can contribute to the next iteration of the Climatebase community.
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Climatebase
Climatebase Public Profiles
Climatebase Fellowship Program Application
Nori’s Job Opening on Climatebase
Evan Hynes on Twitter
Evan Hynes on Climatebase
Slack
Clubhouse
Paul Gambill on Climatebase
Evan Hynes on Reversing Climate Change in May 2020
My Climate Journey
Air Miners
The Business of Belonging: How to Make Community Your Competitive Advantage by David Spinks
Allbirds
‘Dunder Mifflin Infinity’ on The Office
Chris Sacca on Twitter
Discord

Feb 23, 2021 • 1h
S2E52: Using captured carbon to make art—w/ Annalee Levin of Captured Carbon Studio
When artist Annalee Levin learned about carbon capture on the Reversing Climate Change podcast, the idea captured her imagination. Knowing that the technology exists to capture and store CO2 in concrete, for example, Annalee set out to find a way to make art out of materials containing captured carbon.
Today, Annalee is the textile, hand embroidery, and sculpture artist behind Captured Carbon Studio, a space for exploring captured carbon as an art medium and avenue for educating the public about reversing climate change. She is also a chef-in-training, an experienced beekeeper and the first ever Artist-in-Residence at Carbon Upcycling Technologies. On this episode of the podcast, Annalee joins Ross to discuss her hands-on approach to making art and explain why she is drawn to physical, material crafts as opposed to other art forms.
Annalee describes how she came to make crayons out of recycled CO2 and shares what she is trying to communicate by using captured carbon in her art. Listen in to understand how organic and industrial materials coexist within Annalee’s carbon removal aesthetic and learn how you can support her work or create your own art using tools that reverse climate change.
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Carbon Upcycling Technologies
Lorraine Smith on Reversing Climate Change EP044
Royal School of Needlework
San Francisco School of Needlework and Design
Luis Merchan
SkyBaron
Carbon Upcycling Technologies on Reversing Climate Change EP078
Carbon XPRIZE
Graphitic Nanoplatelets
Annalee’s Carbon Crayons
Annalee’s Carbon Worry Stone
On Food and Cooking: The Science and Lore of the Kitchen by Harold McGee
Alton Brown
Jacques Pepin
Maillard Reaction
Samin Nosrat
Nori Book Club
Carbon Upcycling Pen-100 Nurdles & Talc
Carbon Upcycling Enhanced Fly Ash

Feb 16, 2021 • 1h 37min
S2E51: Kim Stanley Robinson chats The Ministry for the Future, blockchain, & macroeconomics
12 years ago, Nori cofounder and CEO Paul Gambill was a College Republican. And while he wasn’t a climate denier, he didn’t think that humanity’s 1% contribution to global CO2 emissions was a big deal. And then he read Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy and began to understand the outsized impact of our actions. Not only did the science fiction novels change Paul’s perspective on climate change, they inspired him to dedicate his life’s work to making it better.
American novelist Kim Stanley Robinson is one of the foremost living writers of science fiction. Many of his books explore how climate change will impact us in the coming decades, including the new release (and self-described mic drop moment) The Ministry for the Future. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Stan joins Ross and Paul to discuss how science fiction can help us make better decisions and share his perspective on the politics of the genre.
Stan explains why central banks play such a prominent role in his most recent work, introducing us to the financial system he imagines in his future history novels and sharing his ‘creeping reformist’ approach to building an economy around carbon removal. Listen in for Stan’s insight on why cryptocurrency is featured in his new book and learn how carbon sequestration might work within the framework of modern monetary theory.
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There are so many things referenced in this show. When Anchor ups its character limit for show descriptions we will go back and add them all. Here's a curated list:
Stan’s Website
The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson
J.G. Ballard
Frederic Jameson
Georgy Plekhanov
Raymond Williams
Ernst Bloch
Louis Althusser
Ursula K. Le Guin
Iain Banks’ Culture Series
Ghosts of My Life: Writings on Depression, Hauntology and Lost Futures by Mark Fisher
The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction by John Clute and Peter Nicholls
Delton Chen’s Carbon Coin Plan
Socialist Calculation Debate

Feb 9, 2021 • 1h 1min
S2E50: Under a White Sky: Elizabeth Kolbert's new book on humanity's ecological & climate interventions
There is a new pattern emerging in humanity’s long, complicated relationship with nature. Namely, we’re at a point where the problems we’ve caused by intervening in our environment require interventions of their own. But in a world where we can’t fully anticipate the impact of our actions, should we be optimistic about using new technology to solve crises created by the old?
Elizabeth Kolbert is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Sixth Extinction. Her latest book is called Under a White Sky: The Nature of the Future. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Elizabeth joins Ross and Christophe to explain how a reporting trip to see a super coral project inspired Under a White Sky and describe how the book is structured on a continuum—from small, regional interventions to more controversial, global strategies for solving the problems we’ve caused.
Elizabeth walks us through several of the interventions introduced in the book, including an electrified river in Chicago, efforts to gene edit toxic cane toads, and a promising coral sex engineering project. Listen in for Elizabeth’s insight on the ethical concerns associated with interventions like CRISPR technology and solar radiation management and learn how she thinks about doubling down on our efforts to control the natural world.
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Elizabeth’s Website
Elizabeth at The New Yorker
Under a White Sky: The Nature of the Future by Elizabeth Kolbert
The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert
Field Notes from a Catastrophe: Man, Nature, and Climate Change by Elizabeth Kolbert
Josiah Zayner
Dr. Mark Tizard
Dr. Klaus Lackner at the Center for Negative Carbon Emissions
The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson
The Leopard by Giuseppe di Lampedusa
Steward Brand
Paul Kingsnorth
David Remnick and Harry Finder on Reversing Climate Change S2EP37

Feb 5, 2021 • 21min
Grist's intersectional climate fiction contest—w/ Tory Stephens of Fix, the Grist solutions lab
Making art about climate is useful in that it reaches a part of the brain that science does not. And climate fiction as a genre gives us a way to get the climate conversation started. Better yet, cli-fi that focuses on solutions might actually help us find a way forward.
Tory Stephens is the New England Network Weaver at Fix, the Grist Solutions Lab. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Tory joins Ross and cohost Jess Miles to discuss the launch of his team’s new climate fiction contest, Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction for Future Ancestors and explain what differentiates his team’s writing contest from others of its kind.
Tory offers insight around climate fiction and the subgenres of solarpunk and hopepunk, challenging writers to create intersectional, solutions-focused work. Listen in for an overview of Imagine 2200’s submission guidelines and learn how fiction might offer a pathway out of the climate crisis.
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Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction for Future Ancestors
‘We’re Launching a Fiction Contest’ on Grist
Fix Solutions Lab
The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory by Brian Greene
The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson
The Road by Cormac McCarthy
‘Hopepunk, the Latest Storytelling Trend, Is All About Weaponized Optimism’ in Vox
Nnedi Okorafor
Who Fears Death by Nnedi Okorafor
Black Panther
A Conspiracy of Stars by Olivia A. Cole
Jess Miles on Reversing Climate Change S2EP12

Feb 2, 2021 • 47min
S2E49: At the feet of a modern hermit—w/ Markus Torgeby, author of Under the Open Skies
In modern society, we’re conditioned to believe that acquiring more stuff makes our lives better. But what if getting back to basics leads to a richer life? What if consuming less and connecting with nature more opens us up to what really matters?
Markus Torgeby is the author of Under the Open Skies: Finding Peace and Health in Nature. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Markus joins Ross to explain how he came to live alone in the forest of Northern Sweden and describe how stripping life down to the basic needs helped him identify what was truly important and heal from trauma.
Markus shares his take on technology, discussing how to gauge how much screen time is right for you (and help your kids do the same). Listen in for insight on living a richer life by consuming less and get Markus’ advice on taking small steps to build your own deep relationship with nature.
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Under the Open Skies: Finding Peace and Health in Nature by Markus Torgeby and Frida Torgeby
Desert Fathers
Soren Kierkegaard
Ingmar Bergman
Wendell Berry
Dialogues of Plato by Plato
Peter Kalmus
Walden by Henry David Thoreau
Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer

Feb 1, 2021 • 49min
Climate fintech, neobanks, & banking for good—w/ Ravi Mikkelsen, cofounder of ATMOS
Did you know that Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and Citi are among the biggest funders of fossil fuel projects in the world? Would you rather leverage your money to fight climate change? What if you could move your money to an entity that builds its lending portfolio around things like clean energy, regenerative agriculture, and direct air capture?
Ravi Mikkelsen is the Cofounder of ATMOS Financial, a digital banking solution dedicated to funding a rapid transition to the clean economy. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Ravi joins Ross to discuss the growing cohort of impact companies at the intersection of climate and FinTech and explain how neobanks like ATMOS fit into the ecosystem.
Ravi shares the market research around why consumers choose a bank, challenging us to consider what kinds of projects our financial institution funds and how big banks might transition their lending portfolios away from fossil fuels. Listen in for insight around the benefits of banking with ATMOS and find out why you don’t have to sacrifice user experience or pay more to do the right thing. George Bailey for the win!
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Email ravi@joinatmos.com
ATMOS Nonprofit Partners
Arcadia Power
It’s a Wonderful Life
Prisoner’s Dilemma

Jan 26, 2021 • 1h 2min
S2E48: Damn the Absolute! On pragmatism and climate change—w/ Jeffrey Howard, Editor-in-Chief of Erraticus
The climate conversation is riddled with ideological battles. There are those who think climate change is the most pressing issue of our time pitted against those who don’t think it’s a big deal (if it’s even real). There are fights over ecological versus industrial forms of carbon removal. And there are those who believe that climate change can be reversed, while others have little hope that humanity will stick the landing. So, how do we move past these absolutist views and inspire action to solve the problem?
Jeffrey Howard is the Editor-in-Chief at Erraticus and the host of the Damn the Absolute! podcast. Both platforms take a pragmatic approach to ideas, challenging dogma, fundamentalism and ideological hubris. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Jeffrey joins Ross to introduce the principles of pragmatism as a discrete philosophical school of thought, describing the intellectual context from which it emerged and how the philosophy seeks to reconcile the competing camps of Rationalism and Empiricism.
Jeffrey explores how a pragmatic approach might break logjams in the climate conversation, explaining how pragmatists balance building an inclusive community of inquirers with taking action to solve problems in the real world. Listen in to understand how a pragmatist thinks about a climate solution like carbon capture and learn how pragmatism addresses our lived challenges, encouraging us to hold our views with humility as we work to improve life for all people.
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Too many things referenced for this episode! Will fix this in the future. In the meantime, here is a truncated portion:
Erraticus
Damn the Absolute! Podcast
Jeffrey Howard on Reversing Climate Change EP107
Sick Souls, Healthy Minds: How William James Can Save Your Life by John Kaag
Pragmatism: A New Name for Some Old Ways of Thinking by William James
William James
Subsistence Agriculture in the US: Reconnecting to Work, Nature and Community by Ashley Colby
On Richard Rorty on Damn the Absolute! EP001
Toward a Politics of Uncertainty on Damn the Absolute! EP002
David O’Hara on Damn the Absolute! EP007