
The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession
Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.
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Nov 12, 2024 • 26min
Ep 472 – Lessons Learned from Client Experiences with Kristin Coverly
Join Kristin Coverly as she asks massage therapy and bodywork experts Allison Denney and Dr. Joe Muscolino “What lesson did you learn from a memorable client experience?” and “How do you recognize and celebrate your victories?” Hear their responses on this episode of The ABMP Podcast and gain inspiration you can immediately apply to your personal and professional lives! Host Bio: Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com. Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com. Dr. Joe Muscolino has been a manual and movement therapy educator for more than 30 years. He is the author of eight books and has authored more than 70 articles. He teaches continuing education workshops and has a digital video streaming subscription service called Digital COMT for manual and movement therapists. For more information, visit www.learnmuscles.com Resources: ABMP Education Center: https://www.abmp.com/learn/ About our Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com MassageBook: www.massagebook.com Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function. Website: anatomytrains.com Email: info@anatomytrains.com Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA Save time and reduce stress with MassageBook. It’s not just software—it’s a comprehensive solution that handles online scheduling, payment processing, and marketing campaigns, making it easier for you to provide your clients with top-notch care. Enjoy free, unlimited access for 30 days and save on your monthly subscription with your exclusive ABMP member discount. Special Offer: Right now, MassageBook is offering listeners $50 off when they sign up with coupon code ABMP50. Start your free 30-day trial today and transform your practice with tools designed to increase bookings and streamline client management. Connect with MassageBook: Visit their website: MassageBook Follow MassageBook on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn

Nov 8, 2024 • 11min
Ep 471 – Making Decisions for 2025: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines
The new year is a great time to make changes in your massage business. Host Allissa Haines works through the variables and options for change to make your business better, with less pressure. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community. Resources: https://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/969285-may-june-2018/86 Author links: Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deepbreathcommunity/ Sponsors: Jojoba: www.jojobacompany.com HobaCare Jojoba is a premium quality, 100% pure jojoba oil that is highly beneficial for massage therapists. As a single-ingredient product, it aligns perfectly with holistic practices, providing an all-natural, chemical-free massage medium option. Jojoba oil closely resembles human sebum, which allows it to absorb easily and deeply into the skin, delivering a non-greasy, moisturizing experience that doesn't clog pores or cause allergic reactions. This unique property makes it an excellent medium for massage, enhancing tactile contact without leaving an oily residue. HobaCare Jojoba is also shelf stable and will not stain natural fiber sheets. By choosing HobaCare Jojoba, massage therapists can enhance their practice, offering clients a superior, skin-friendly experience that promotes both skin health and overall well-being. Website: www.hobacare.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jojobacompany Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jojobacompany

Nov 5, 2024 • 17min
Ep 470 – Pyoderma Gangrenosum: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
A client has a history of a very unusual and somewhat alarming condition: pyoderma gangrenosum. Can massage therapy be applied in this situation? Probably yes, but in specific circumstances. Listen to this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . .” to learn more and to hear host Ruth Werner get on one of her favorite soapboxes: the language of massage therapy. Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app Brooklyn, T., Dunnill, G. and Probert, C. (2006) ‘Diagnosis and treatment of pyoderma gangrenosum’, BMJ : British Medical Journal, 333(7560), p. 181. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.333.7560.181. Mohd, A.B. et al. (2022) ‘COVID-19 Vaccine: A Possible Trigger for Pyoderma Gangrenosum’, Cureus, 14(5), p. e25295. Available at: https://doi.org/10.7759/cureus.25295. Pyoderma gangrenosum (no date) Autoimmune Association. Available at: https://autoimmune.org/disease-information/pyoderma-gangrenosum/ (Accessed: 23 October 2024). Pyoderma Gangrenosum - Symptoms, Causes, Treatment | NORD (no date). Available at: https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/pyoderma-gangrenosum/ (Accessed: 23 October 2024). Schmieder, S.J. and Krishnamurthy, K. (2024) ‘Pyoderma Gangrenosum’, in StatPearls. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482223/ (Accessed: 24 October 2024). Zou, H. and Daveluy, S. (2023) ‘Pyoderma gangrenosum after COVID-19 infection and vaccination’, Clinics in Dermatology, 41(1), pp. 129–131. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.clindermatol.2022.11.003. About our Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com MassageBook: www.massagebook.com

Oct 29, 2024 • 15min
Ep 469 – TMJ: Alrighty Then: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney
The temporomandibular joint may be infamous for its disorder, but it is its complexity that lends us the ability to chew, grind, talk, and even to elevate a bland statement to an iconic moment of genius. In this episode of The Rebel MT, Allison takes a closer look at the incredible jaw, reflects on how understanding it better will boost our confidence with our work here, and hopes that we can explore how to talk more like Jim Carrey. Host: Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com. Sponsors: Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: www.elementsmassage.com/abmp MassageBook: www.massagebook.com The American Massage Conference: www.massagetherapymedia.com/conferences

Oct 25, 2024 • 11min
Ep 468 – How to Manage Demand with Massage Memberships: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines
Explore the art of balancing loyal clients and newcomers in a massage practice. Learn strategies for implementing effective membership programs that ensure long-term sustainability. The conversation dives into the importance of flexibility in managing memberships based on individual financial situations. Plus, get recommendations for podcasts that enrich your understanding of the massage therapy community. It's an insightful blend of practical advice and supportive resources for professionals in the field.

Oct 15, 2024 • 29min
Ep 467 – Getting Off the Clock with Whitney Lowe
Dive into the evolving landscape of massage therapy education! Discover why traditional clock hours may fall short in truly preparing skilled therapists. Explore the shift towards competency-based learning, focusing on mastery and real-world applicability. Learn how this new approach can enhance training outcomes while boosting student confidence. Join the conversation about redefining educational success and the challenges that come with such transformation in the massage profession.

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Oct 11, 2024 • 10min
Ep 466 – Clear Communication in Your Massage Business: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines
Discover how poor communication can sabotage your reputation in the massage business. The host navigates real client frustrations around scheduling and offers practical steps for clearer interactions. Explore strategies for building a sustainable massage practice while ensuring a great client experience. Learn about the benefits of using premium jojoba oil for enhancing therapeutic sessions. Tune in for tips on establishing communication protocols that foster trust and responsiveness.

Oct 8, 2024 • 21min
Ep 465 – TAVR Surgery: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
Dive into the complexities of post-TAVR surgery and the debates around when it's safe to resume massage therapy. Discover the delicate balance between patient preferences and medical advice. Explore how AI can assist in clinical decision-making and enhance recovery experiences. Unearth the psychological benefits of touch for cardiac surgery patients. The conversation highlights the necessity for personalized approaches and the careful considerations for safe therapeutic practices.

Oct 1, 2024 • 15min
Ep 464 -Tennis Elbow Anyone? “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney
Tennis elbow is a pain in the elbow when there is too much tennis-ing. And if it were that simple, life would be easy. Unfortunately, it never is, especially when it comes to anatomy. Join The Rebel MT host Allison Denney as she discloses not only her inability to play tennis but also her ability to know what is going on for a lot of people who play a lot of tennis. Host: Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com. This podcast sponsored by: Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: www.elementsmassage.com/abmp MassageBook: www.massagebook.com

Sep 27, 2024 • 12min
Ep 463 - It’s Not Personal—The Feelings of Client Behavior: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines
Allissa Haines, a practicing massage therapist and business owner, dives into the emotional challenges therapists face with client behavior. She offers strategies to manage feelings around late arrivals and discount requests, emphasizing that these situations are business negotiations, not personal attacks. Allissa discusses the importance of clear policies and how to navigate cultural perceptions of terms like 'masseuse.' Plus, she shares the joy of virtual lunches, illustrating how they help maintain connections in a distanced world.
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