
Startups For the Rest of Us
The original podcast for bootstrapped and mostly bootstrapped startups, this show follow the stories of founders as they start, acquire, and grow SaaS companies. Hear when they fail, struggle, succeed, and take you with them through the tumultuous life of a SaaS founder. If you like Mixergy, This Week in Startups, or SaaStr, you’ll enjoy Startup for the Rest of Us.
Latest episodes

Mar 22, 2022 • 26min
Episode 595 | TinySeed Tales Season 2: Where Are They Now?
Brian and Scottie Elliott, co-founders of Gather, share their entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing their shift from catering to solo designers to large firms. They discuss overcoming a significant service crash and how that incident unexpectedly strengthened client relationships. The couple reflects on their strategic decisions, including shutting down consulting services to focus on product-market fit, and reveal ambitious plans to 10x their MRR. Excitement for growth and future opportunities shines through as they navigate the post-pandemic landscape.

Mar 15, 2022 • 46min
Episode 594 | Starting Over with the TropicalMBA's Dan & Ian
Dan Andrews and Ian Schoen, co-founders of Dynamite Jobs and the TropicalMBA podcast, discuss their inspiring journey of starting anew after selling their previous business. They dive into the challenges and successes of building a two-sided marketplace, revealing how community needs sparked innovation. The duo reflects on evolving recruitment strategies and the importance of mentorship during tough times. They also highlight key lessons in navigating startup growth, emphasizing emotional bravery and a cohesive vision as crucial elements for transforming their venture into a thriving success.

Mar 8, 2022 • 25min
Episode 593 | Retaining Employees + The Ideal SaaS Business (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Rob Walling hilariously recounts the panic of losing all his old tweets, blending humor with a lesson on the importance of digital backups. The discussion shifts to the pressing challenge of retaining talent in the tech world, emphasizing that motivation goes beyond just salary. He dives into the essentials of a successful SaaS business, highlighting the ideal market conditions and the significance of flexibility. This solo adventure offers invaluable insights for startup founders looking to navigate employee satisfaction and business growth.

Mar 1, 2022 • 30min
Episode 592 | Nine Tactics for Amazing Customer Support
Cody Duval, an expert in customer support, returns to discuss key strategies for excellent service. He dives into the distinction between customer support and success, emphasizing the critical role of response time. Cody shares insights on when to hire your first support person and the benefits of using chat widgets. He highlights the importance of founder engagement in early customer interactions and offers tactics for managing difficult customers. The conversation also touches on essential customer support tools and the potential gaps in current knowledge base solutions.

Feb 22, 2022 • 35min
Episode 591 | Acquiring and Scaling in a Crowded Space
Cody Duvall, an entrepreneur specializing in the competitive help desk and customer support market, shares his journey of acquiring and scaling the tool Keeping. He discusses the strategies he employed to launch in a crowded space, the nuances of his sales process, and the complexities of migrating customers. Duvall also highlights the importance of rewriting the codebase with an outsourced team and the challenges of achieving product-market fit, emphasizing how differentiation is crucial in such a saturated landscape.

Feb 15, 2022 • 37min
Episode 590 | Buying vs Building, Zombie Companies, and More Listener Questions with Craig Hewitt
Craig Hewitt, an expert in internal tools and startup challenges, shares valuable insights for founders. He discusses the tough decisions between buying and building internal tools, along with tips for navigating a competitive space as a solo founder. Hewitt also delves into the phenomenon of 'zombie companies,' where investors demand their money back, and offers advice on selecting the right accounting software. He emphasizes the importance of collaboration for non-technical founders looking to connect with the right talent.

Feb 8, 2022 • 35min
Episode 589 | Finding a SaaS Idea Through 70 Cold Calls
Jason Buckingham, who discovered a startup idea after making over 70 cold calls, shares his journey into entrepreneurship. He emphasizes the importance of tenacity in identifying customer needs and finding viable SaaS solutions. The conversation highlights the challenges of balancing day jobs with building a product, securing family support, and navigating the startup landscape during a pandemic. With insights on effective communication and the resilience required in business, Jason's story is both inspiring and practical for aspiring entrepreneurs.

Feb 1, 2022 • 1h 5min
Episode 588 | In Which Courtland Allen and I Cover a Lot of Startups Topics
Courtland Allen, known for his expertise in bootstrapper and indie hacker topics, joins Rob Walling to dive into the challenges of entrepreneurship. They tackle motivation struggles and the emotional hurdles founders face, including dealing with depression. The conversation shifts to practical advice on getting your first dollar and building an MVP. They also explore the evolution of the bootstrapper community, transitioning to invite-only platforms, and effective marketing strategies, emphasizing the importance of purpose and mental well-being in business.

Jan 25, 2022 • 26min
Episode 587 | Renaming a Company, Revisiting Inflation, and Micropreneurship (Listener Email Edition)
The host reflects on the significance of podcasting and shares listener feedback, blending personal stories with insights. A listener recounts the challenges of renaming their startup, highlighting the benefits of a clearer name. The complexities of naming a business and accessibility for founders are discussed, emphasizing growth without dependence on funding. The conversation delves into investment strategies and the micropreneurship landscape, comparing traditional investments with SaaS opportunities for financial independence.

Jan 18, 2022 • 27min
Episode 586 | Mastering Customer Interviews with Michele Hansen
Michele Hansen, an author and expert in customer research, discusses her latest book on mastering customer interviews. She highlights the transformative power of user feedback in building startups. Topics include the importance of empathy in understanding customer needs and how to leverage feature requests for deeper insights into user intent. Hansen offers practical advice for conducting effective interviews and compares her approach to the Jobs to Be Done framework, emphasizing the need for alignment between product vision and customer expectations.