

MAFFEO DRINKS
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks industry podcast delivering frontline insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
Episodes
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Sep 8, 2024 • 49min
072 | Chris Maffeo | Consistency in Implementing a Clear Bottom-up Strategy | MAFFEO DRINKS
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 072 I was hosted by Filiberto Amati on his Growth, Brands and More Podcast.
I shared my journey from being a Sales guy in Rome to working at major beverage companies in Europe until founding MAFFEO DRINKS.
We discuss the fundamental principles of building brands from the bottom up, the importance of having a clear and consistent strategy, and how to execute it successfully across different markets and channels.
I also talk about the value of small empirical experiments, the balance between strategy and execution, and how to handle unexpected opportunities.
Tune in to gain deep insights into the art and science of beverage brand building.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
01:09 Interview with Filippo Bertomatti
01:56 Chris Maffeo's Career Path
05:15 Challenges and Insights in Brand Building
06:33 Defining a Good Strategy
10:50 Consistency and Simplicity in Strategy
24:39 The Role of Frugality in Brand Building
28:38 Empirical Experiments and Market Testing
39:52 Handling Unexpected Opportunities
46:35 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Filiberto Amati
About The Guest: Chris Maffeo
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Sep 1, 2024 • 40min
071 | Morten Stengaard | Bottom-up Expansion to New Markets | Bemakers
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 071, I sit down with Morten Stengaard, Co-Founder and CEO of Bemakers, to discuss the challenges and strategies of expanding into international markets. We delve into the complexities of distribution, the importance of local market engagement, and Bemakers' innovative approach to streamlining direct and indirect beverage distribution. Morten shares valuable insights on brand building, consumer engagement, and navigating the drinks industry's intricate ecosystem.N.B. If you are interested in Bemakers, mention the MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast to receive a 50% discount on the Setup fee.https://bemakers.com/ Time Stamps00:00 Introduction 00:54 Challenges in Local Distribution03:08 Expanding to International Markets04:28 Founding Beemakers: A New Approach06:23 Building Demand in New Markets07:57 The Importance of Local Market Engagement10:22 Strategies for Effective Brand Building13:56 Leveraging Direct-to-Consumer Channels37:03 Final Thoughts and Contact InformationAbout The Host: Chris MaffeoAbout The Guest: Morten Stengaard
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Aug 25, 2024 • 33min
070 | Morten Stengaard | Building a Premium Fruit Wine Category | Andersen Winery
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 070, I chat with Morten Stengaard, Co-founder of Andersen Winery. We discuss the intricacies of creating a new category in the beverage industry, focusing on premium fruit wines.
Morten shares insights on category vs. brand building, the importance of positioning, and the role of premium pricing.
We explore market strategies ranging from fine dining establishments to off-trade venues, highlighting the nuances of consumer education and creating demand.
Morten emphasizes the significance of seasonality and portfolio approach in keeping products relevant and appealing to customers.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction
01:02 Meet Morten Stengaard: Co-Founder of Andersen Winery
02:47 Building a New Beverage Category
08:14 Positioning Premium Fruit Wines
10:20 Targeting Specific Drinking Occasions
14:37 Expanding to Off-Trade Markets
26:44 Seasonality and Portfolio Approach
31:46 Conclusion
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Morten Stengaard
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Jul 16, 2024 • 43min
069 | Felice Capasso | Bringing Clarity to Spirits Consumers | Sesto Senso Academy
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 69 of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris continues his conversation with Felice Capasso, diving deep into consumer misconceptions in the alcohol industry and how brand advocacy should be approached.
They examine consumers' misunderstandings about production processes, using the example of whisky from Scotland.
They also discuss the importance of educating consumers and professionals, the difference between creating a trend and establishing a category, and how to stand out in a crowded market.
Real-life analogies, like Italian food specialties, help illustrate the nuances of education and branding.
Additionally, the episode touches on the importance of retention in the hospitality industry's workforce and how brands can use logical, fact-based approaches to educate and engage effectively.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:29 Consumer Misunderstandings in the Spirits Industry
03:59 The Importance of Open-Mindedness and Education
06:39 Creating and Defining Categories in the Spirits Industry
9:53 Pragmatic vs. Fluffy Storytelling
19:37 Building Category VS Cannibilizing Category
30:49 The Role of Education and Retention in the Industry
40:30 Closing Remarks and Contact Information
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Felice Capasso
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Jul 9, 2024 • 46min
068 | Felice Capasso | The Power of Liquid-driven Messaging | Sesto Senso Spirits Academy
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 68 of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo talks to Felice Capasso, Diageo WorldClass winner of Norway 2024 and WSET 2 &3 Spirits Educator.
They explore compelling storytelling and strategies for brand building in a crowded market. The discussion covers the importance of having a clear message in packaging, brand advocacy training, and maintaining consistency across all marketplace touchpoints.
Felice shares his insights from both the brand side and bartender’s perspective, emphasizing the need for clear and expressive communication in the spirits industry.
The episode touches on balancing brand identity with creative freedom, offering examples of successful brand strategies and the importance of education within the industry.
00:00 Introduction to Episode 68
00:51 Meeting Felice Capasso
02:38 Felice's Journey and Background
05:04 Industry Insights and Brand Building
08:38 The Role of Expressiveness in Spirits
15:28 Managing Consumer Expectations
21:48 Brand Brainwash in the Spirits Industry
22:49 The Importance of Blind Tastings
24:24 Understanding Market Positioning
27:01 Explaining Product Characteristics
29:22 Creating Clear Brand Identities
35:27 Recruiting New Consumers
41:10 Distillation Myths and Realities
44:43 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Felice Capasso
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Jul 2, 2024 • 42min
067 | Mikko Koskinen | Translating a Local Category to New Markets | Kyrö Distillery
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 67 of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo continues his conversation with Mikko Koskinen, co-founder of Kyrö Distillery, from the previous episode.
They discuss the integration of food and drink culture in society, the challenges of building a brand, and exporting distillery products.
Mikko shares his insights on market dynamics, cultural references, and the importance of personal involvement in brand growth.
The discussion also emphasizes the significance of long-term planning and adaptability in the spirits industry.
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:23 Cultural Integration of Food and Drink
01:41 Nordic Whiskey and Food Culture
03:49 Export Strategies and Market Penetration
07:44 Challenges in Distribution and Brand Building
12:09 Importance of Local Knowledge and Experimentation
18:17 Entrepreneurial Insights and Personal Stories
35:53 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Jun 25, 2024 • 43min
066 | Mikko Koskinen | From Rye to Category: Building a Distillery Brand | Kyrö Distillery
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 66 of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris Maffeo speaks with Mikko Koskinen, the co-founder of Kyrö Distillery. They delve into the distinctiveness of Finnish rye as an ingredient, the importance of provenance and local culture in brand building, and the merits of being a distillery-first versus product-first company. The discussion also covers how to effectively convey a brand's story to both local and international markets, the genesis of Kyrö's products from creating rye whiskey in a sauna, and the significance of communality, Nordic minimalism, and rye's cultural relevance in their brand philosophy. Additionally, they touch upon the challenges and strategies of maintaining brand communication consistency, emphasizing the importance of building trust in premium spirits.
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00:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:38 Meet Mikko Koskinen: Co-Founder of Kyrö Distillery
00:45 Chris's Connection to Finland
01:35 The Evolution of Finnish Drinks
02:38 Brand vs. Liquid: What's More Important?
04:59 The Origin Story of Kyrö Distillery
07:33 The Role of Rye in Finnish Culture
17:12 Building a Distillery Brand
24:44 Simplifying Whiskey for Newcomers
35:34 Marketing Strategies and Challenges
41:40 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Mikko Koskinen
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Jun 18, 2024 • 30min
065 | Nicola Olianas | The Advocacy Journey to Become the Bartender's Handshake | Fernet Branca & Carpano Antica Formula
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 65, I discussed with Nicola Olianas the importance of creating demand and building advocacy.
We dive into Fernet Branca coin's role in connecting bartenders globally. Nicola explains its origins, rules, and traditions and how it became a crucial symbol in the bartending community.
Nicola also covers brand advocacy, Fernet Branca's passionate culture, and maintaining brand authenticity and loyalty. He highlights the importance of building a brand that is respected by competitors and becoming an aggregator of industry people and consumers.
I hope you will enjoy our chat. Nicola Olianas is the Global Export Head of Advocacy and Ambassadors at Fratelli Branca, working with brands such as Fernet Branca, Carpano Vermouth, Antica Formula, and Punt e Mes.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:10 Exploring Fernet Branca's Global Connection
00:43 The Taste Profile and Brand Consistency
02:50 The Significance of Fernet Branca's Coin
03:55 Building Brand Respect and Longevity
09:57 The Italian Excellence and Global Expansion
12:46 The Mission and Passion Behind Fernet Branca
20:08 The Fernet Branca Coin Challenge
27:08 How to Connect with Nicola and Final Thoughts
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Jun 11, 2024 • 35min
064 | Nicola Olianas | Building a Category Beyond Trends | Fernet Branca & Carpano Antica Formula
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In Ep. 64, I hosted Nicola Olianas to discuss Fernet Branca's evolution from a medicinal remedy to a global icon known as "The Bartenders Handshake".
Nicola shares insights on brand building, the importance of liquid quality, and the creation of a unique category in the spirits industry.
The episode also highlights the Fernet Branca coin as a symbol of community among bartenders.
Nicola Olianas is the Global Export Head of Advocacy and Ambassadors at Fratelli Branca, working with brands such as Fernet Branca, Carpano Vermouth, Antica Formula, and Punt e Mes.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:51 Meet Nicola Olianas: Global Head of Advocacy at Fratelli Branca
01:34 The Origin of Fernet Branca: From Medicinal Remedy to Global Icon
02:58 Brand Building vs. Liquid Quality: What Comes First?
06:24 Creating a Unique Category in the Spirits Industry
10:18 The Importance of Versatility in Product Use
23:53 The Bartender's Handshake: The Story Behind Fernet Branca
33:26 Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Nicola Olianas
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Jun 4, 2024 • 40min
063 | David Wood | Understanding How to Choose Distributors & Wholesalers | Liana Collection
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In Episode 063, Chris Maffeo and David Wood from the Liana Collection share valuable insights on the three stages of brand distribution.
He provides expert advice for startup drink brands on self-distribution, the role of small and large distributors, and the crucial importance of building trade relationships.
The discussion also covers the complexities of working with wholesalers, the necessity of immersive brand experiences for sales teams, and strategies for national and international brand expansion.
Emphasizing the need for founders to stay actively engaged in the trade, David and Chris highlight the evolving role of salespersons in today's digital age.
Tune in for a comprehensive guide to scaling your drinks brand successfully!
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to Brand Distribution Stages
00:55 Advice for Startup Drink Brands
02:34 Scaling with Distributors
03:26 Importance of On-Trade Chains
11:11 Managing Relationships with Wholesalers
16:30 Building Brand Demand
24:11 Role of Sales Reps and Founders
32:58 Digitalization of Sales and Social Media
37:24 Conclusion and Contact Information
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: David Wood
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