

MAFFEO DRINKS
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks industry podcast delivering frontline insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
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Nov 18, 2024 • 27min
082 | Alice Bidini | Bringing Non-Alc Cocktail Culture to Saudi Arabia | Four Seasons Riyadh
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, we dive into the complexities and innovations within the non-alcoholic beverage industry.
Joined by guest Alice Bidini, we explore the challenges and strategies of introducing new drink trends in emerging markets such as Saudi Arabia.
We discuss the importance of understanding local taste profiles and consumer behavior, especially in culturally diverse regions like Stockholm and Riyadh.
Highlights include our experiences in the evolving bar scene, the innovative concept of a female-only staffed bar at the Four Seasons in Riyadh, and the cultural shift needed to accept new beverage trends.
Alice shares her journey of pioneering drink trends, shedding light on building consumer trust and adapting to local preferences.
Tune in to learn about reshaping traditional beverage offerings and the satisfaction of turning hesitant consumers into loyal patrons.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:28 Managing Expectations in the Bar Industry
03:44 The Bar Scene in Saudi Arabia
06:45 Challenges of Non-Alcoholic Spirits
10:53 Consumer Behavior and Marketing
13:28 Dining and Drinking Culture in Saudi Arabia
15:03 Creating a New Beverage Culture
15:25 The Italian Espresso Bar Experience in Stockholm
17:28 Introducing Aperol Spritz in Prague
18:39 Navigating Local Drinking Cultures
19:37 The Role of Experts in Riyadh's Cocktail Scene
22:00 Trends in the Bar Industry
23:36 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Alice Bidini
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Nov 11, 2024 • 30min
081 | Alice Bidini | Negronis Are Not For Everyone | Four Seasons Riyadh
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, I am joined by Alice Bidini, an experienced bartender and bar manager from the Four Seasons Hotel in Riyadh.
Alice shares her journey from Rome to London, Kuala Lumpur, and now Ryadh.
We dive into the unique beverage preferences in different countries and the challenges of introducing new drink concepts, especially in a non-alcoholic market like Saudi Arabia.
We discuss how cultural and religious influences shape drinking habits in Malaysia and Saudi Arabia and how London's diverse landscape impacts its vibrant bar scene.
Our conversation also explores the global adaptation of Italian cuisine and drinks, from 'Nduja pizza to Negroni cocktails, and the efforts to balance authenticity and local tastes.
Tune in to learn about the cultural nuances shaping global palates and the innovative ways bartenders are rising to these challenges.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:28 Guest Introduction: Alice's Journey
03:13 Cultural Insights and Market Differences
07:56 Exploring Taste Profiles Across Regions
11:29 The Melting Pot of London
13:20 Understanding Dry and Wet Cultures
14:04 Regional Drinking Preferences
15:09 Peroni's Popularity in the UK
17:53 Challenges of Non-Alcoholic Bartending in Saudi Arabia
21:42 Adapting to Local Tastes
28:58 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Alice Bidini
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Nov 3, 2024 • 35min
080 | Philip Duff | The Impact of Cultural Factors on Market Trends
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris Maffeo discusses the dynamic nature of the drinks industry with guest Philip Duff.
The conversation highlights the challenges large companies face in adapting to market demands and the agility of smaller brands to innovate.
The discussion delves into the importance of grassroots brand building and understanding consumer behavior, using examples like Peroni's success in Scandinavia and Mezcal's rise.
Maffeo and Duff critique the reliance on standard research reports and emphasize the value of unconventional insights.
The episode concludes with insights into risk-taking in large firms and the significance of sustaining brand relevance through continuous market engagement.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:28 Big Companies vs. Small Brands
02:38 Case Study: Peroni's Success in Scandinavia
05:40 The Impact of Mexican Cuisine on Agave Spirits
07:46 Challenges in Big Firms and Market Research
13:14 The Art of Brand Building
24:00 The Mezcal Trend and Luxury Marketing
26:39 Understanding Consumer Trends
31:38 Conclusion and Farewell
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Phillip Duff
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Oct 27, 2024 • 39min
079 | Philip Duff | Never Stop Learning to Master The Drinks Industry |
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo welcomes guest Philip Duff, a renowned bar industry personality and brand owner.
They engage in a vibrant discussion about the complexity of creating and managing a brand in the drinks industry, drawing from Philip's diverse experiences.
Chris emphasizes the importance of learning and adapting in the ever-evolving beverage industry and the importance of never being afraid to take risks.
The discussion touches on brand creation, the demographic approach, and the significance of brand uniqueness. The conversation delves into identifying market gaps, consumer demographics, the evolution of drinking occasions, and how brands like Cointreau and Fireball succeeded by seizing opportunities.
They explore how timing and adaptability can be pivotal in making a brand successful, citing examples of industry giants who were once small players.
Throughout, Chris and Philip share insights on the significance of pivoting and continuously engaging with the evolving landscape of the drinks industry.
00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:27 Introducing Philip Duff
01:40 The Journey of Brand Building
05:19 Navigating the Liquor Industry
07:48 Targeting the Right Audience
24:56 The Importance of Timing and Trends
38:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Phillip Duff
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Oct 20, 2024 • 43min
078 | Chris Le Beau | Emotional Storytelling in Cocktail Menu | Decoding Cocktails Podcast
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, with guest Chris LeBeau, we explore the nuances of flavor profiles, consumer preferences, and the intricacies of crafting an exceptional cocktail.
LeBeau shares insights on how different cultural backgrounds and personal tastes influence drink choices and experiences.
He discusses the importance of storytelling and emotions in drink presentation, the role of brands in cocktail creation, and how bartenders and consumers can better communicate to achieve a satisfying drinking experience.
The dialogue emphasizes understanding where good drinks originate, looking beyond brands to quality ingredients, and exploring novel mixer concepts.
The episode invites listeners to embrace drink-making with a discerning palate and open mind.
00:00 Welcome to the Mafeo Drinks Podcast
00:28 The Ferris Wheel of 50 Best Bars
00:54 Taste Profiles and Restaurant Experiences
03:02 Categorizing Cocktails and Menu Descriptions
07:55 Brand Influence on Cocktail Menus
10:34 Personal Preferences and Cocktail Choices
17:51 Cultural Influences on Taste
21:29 The Impact of Small Additions in Cocktails
21:57 Bridging Taste Profiles: From Rum to Whiskey
22:41 Exploring Boulevardier Variations
23:47 Understanding Barrel Aging and Spirit Mellowing
24:55 Building Trust with Customers2
5:32 Maximizing Tasting Experiences in Classes
26:09 Avoiding Assumptions in Drink Preferences
30:18 The Importance of Reading the Room
36:55 Evaluating Bartender Skills and Drink Quality
39:42 Final Thoughts and How to Connect
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Chris LeBeau
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Oct 13, 2024 • 35min
077 | Chris Le Beau | Scaling Cocktail Culture | Decoding Cocktails Podcast
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, we have an insightful discussion with Chris Le Beau, who transitioned from a strategic consulting role into the world of mixology.
The conversation explores Le Beau's passion for cocktails and the journey of learning and teaching cocktail-making.
Key topics include the importance of mastering classic cocktails like the Old Fashioned, the impact of consumer perceptions on cocktail culture, and the significance of designing accessible yet informative menus in bars.
We also discuss effectively bridging the gap between complex mixology and everyday cocktail enjoyment.
Throughout the episode, the emphasis is on refining the basics and imparting knowledge to create a better drinking experience for everyone.
00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:27 Guest Introduction and Background
01:09 Journey into Mixology
03:51 From Passion Project to Business
04:23 Consumer Perspective on Cocktails
10:57 The Importance of Cocktail Fundamentals
13:05 Challenges in Cocktail Culture
28:17 Menu Design and Customer Experience
33:30 Closing Remarks
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Chris Le Beau
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Oct 6, 2024 • 35min
076 | Rob Malin | Navigating the Role of Sustainability in the Drinks Industry | When in Rome
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 76, we continue the conversation with Rob Malin from Ep. 75. We delve into the complexities of incorporating sustainability into a wine brand's selling story. We talk about the impact of consumer trends and government legislation on brand growth, and discover strategies for balancing traditional wine marketing with innovative sustainable practices.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
00:48 Incorporating Sustainability into Wine Branding
02:43 Consumer Trends and Government Legislation
03:52 Packaging and Consumer Perception
06:47 Target Occasions vs. Target Consumers
09:03 Challenges and Opportunities in Wine Marketing
15:17 The Role of Education in Sustainability
27:25 Reflections and Future Strategies
32:01 Final Thoughts and Where to Find Us
About The Guest: Rob Malin
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
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Sep 29, 2024 • 43min
075 | Rob Malin | Building a Planet-Friendly Wine Brand through New Consumption Occasions | When in Rome
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 75, we delve into the unique journey of 'When in Rome' wine with its founder, Rob Malin.
We discover how challenging traditional wine packaging led to innovations like bag-in-box and paper bottles, driven by the brand's environmental commitments.
Rob shares insights on the complexities of entering the UK market, the impact of bottom-up and top-down strategies, and the importance of local versus national listings.
We talk about the crucial role of premium retailers like Waitrose in their growth, the financial hurdles faced by new brands, and the potential of cross-category competition in alcoholic beverages.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
01:04 Welcoming Rob Malin: Founder of When in Rome Wine
02:09 Exploring the Wine and Spirits Industry
03:57 The Rise of Canned Alcoholic Drinks
07:37 The Story Behind When in Rome Wine
13:05 Challenges and Strategies in the UK Market
17:32 Innovative Packaging and Environmental Impact
26:56 Building a Brand in Supermarkets
28:16 The Importance of Rate of Sale and Distribution
41:19 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Guest: Rob Malin
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
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Sep 22, 2024 • 1h 14min
074 | Danil Nevsky | Hospitality vs. Drinks Industry: Navigating the Bartender-Brand Relationship | Indie Bartender
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode, I host the legendary Indie Bartender, Cocktailman Danil Nevsky for a deep dive into the dynamic world of bartending and brand interactions.
We discuss the evolution of the hospitality and drinks industry, and tackle the ongoing disconnect between bartenders and brand managers.
Danil offers insightful critiques on the state of the industry, sharing anecdotes and observations on brand ambassadors' roles, the rise of cocktail culture, and the generational shift in bartending.
We also explore the adaptation of bar experiences to be more consumer-friendly and the critical role of social media in modern bartending.
The episode is both a nostalgic look back and a hopeful glance forward, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the symbiotic relationship between bars and brands. I hope you will enjoy our chat
NB It contains Hard Language, which is not suitable for all audiences.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast
01:20 Meet Danil Nevsky: Indie Bartender
02:29 The Disconnect Between Bartenders and Brands
04:20 The Evolution of the Spirits Industry
06:22 Generational Drinking and Market Changes
07:59 The Role of Brand Ambassadors
09:21 The Impact of Social Media and Technology
13:14 Challenges in Brand and Bar Collaboration
16:04 The Future of Bartending and Brand Interactions
38:04 The Evolution of Cocktail Content Creators
38:44 The Oral Tradition of Bartending
39:12 The Impact of Content Creators on Bartending
44:14 Brand Relationships in the Bar Industry
46:43 Balancing Brand and Bar Dynamics
51:47 The Role of Bartenders in Enhancing Customer Experience
55:47 Cultural Influences on Cocktail Culture
01:06:16 The Future of Cocktail Culture
01:10:35 Final Thoughts and Farewell
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Danil Nevsky
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Sep 15, 2024 • 35min
073 | Chris Maffeo | Create Demand Before Trying To Capture It | MAFFEO DRINKS
Episode Deep-Dive Analysis Available at maffeodrinks.com In episode 073, I continue the conversation with Filiberto Amati on his Growth, Brands and More Podcast. I explain the concept of 'Drinks Builder' and we delve into the blurred lines between marketing and sales, discussing how to create demand before capturing it.
I emphasize the importance of understanding customer needs, solving problems with your brand, and building communities, particularly among bartenders.
We discuss successful case studies, the impact of strategic thinking on the supply chain, and tools for effective marketing and advocacy.
This conversation is packed with insights on creating a strong demand for your beverage brand through a bottom-up approach.
Time Stamps
00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
01:12 Understanding the Concept of Drinks Builder
02:17 Creating Demand Before Capturing It
03:46 The Role of Bartenders and Community Building
05:18 Strategic Thinking and Supply Chain Impact
06:23 Building a Commercial Proposition
07:39 Generating Demand in Non-Traditional Venues
11:55 The Importance of Insight and Problem-Solving
21:07 The Role of Advocacy and Community in Marketing
33:08 Final Thoughts and Conclusion
About The Host: Filiberto Amati
About The Guest: Chris Maffeo
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