

MAFFEO DRINKS: Built Bottom-up
Chris Maffeo
The MAFFEO DRINKS Podcast is a leading drinks business podcast delivering actionable insights for drinks leadership.
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
For founders, directors, distributor MDs, and hospitality leaders navigating the tension between bottom-up reality and top-down expectations.
20+ years building brands across 30+ markets. Each episode features drinks builders: founders, distributors, commercial directors, sharing how the drinks industry actually works. Not the conference version. Honest conversations.
Insights come from sitting at the bar.
Beyond episodes: advisory for leadership teams, subscription with episode deep dives and principles to navigate your own reality.
Beer, wine, spirits, Low and non-alcoholic.
Bottom-up Insights & Episode Deep Dives at https://maffeodrinks.com
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Jan 20, 2025 • 35min
088 | Andrew Borenzweig | Bringing Luxury to The American Whiskey Category with The Beverly High Rye
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode, host Chris Maffeo talks to Andrew Borenzweig, founder of Beverly High Rye, who shares his journey of creating a modern, luxury-focused American whiskey that breaks away from traditional frontier or rustic imagery. Inspired by the elegance of Beverly Hills, Andrew crafted a whiskey that blends rye’s bold spice with bourbon’s smoothness, presented in sleek, decanter-style bottles. He initially concentrated on securing placements in prestigious California venues—such as Nobu, Mastro’s, Cipriani, and the Beverly Wilshire Four Seasons—to build brand credibility and visibility. This strategic on-trade focus laid a strong foundation before carefully expanding into off-trade channels like select Pavilions stores. Throughout the episode, Andrew emphasizes the importance of brand authenticity, founder-led advocacy, and a California-centric rollout as key drivers of Beverly High Rye’s success. Additionally, he touches on leveraging top on-trade outlet groups to facilitate potential international expansion, referencing Nobu Tokyo’s interest in the brand. Timestamps:00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview00:29 Guest Introduction: Andrew Bornenzweig00:58 The Inspiration Behind Beverly High Rye02:30 Marketing and Brand Positioning06:44 Expanding to New Markets11:05 Product Portfolio and Collaborations17:21 On-Trade vs. Off-Trade Strategies24:50 Final Thoughts and Advice for Brand Owners
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Jan 13, 2025 • 42min
087 | Imme Ermgassen | Beyond Moderation with Botivo: Building a Pleasure-First Non-Alcoholic Brand
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode, host Chris Maffeo is joined by Imme Ermgassen from Botivo, who shares insights into building a craft non-alcoholic aperitivo brand that challenges category conventions. Through strategic positioning as a pleasure brand rather than a moderation brand, Botivo has created a unique space in the non-alcoholic category by focusing on craft credentials, hedonistic brand values, and owning specific drinking occasions. The conversation reveals how careful brand building and trade strategy can help create new category opportunities.Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome00:29 Guest Introduction and Initial Impressions01:22 Deep Dive into Botivo02:16 Brand Philosophy and Market Positioning05:37 Challenges and Strategies in the Non-Alcoholic Market11:35 Consumer Insights and Brand Building19:31 Trade Relationships and Distribution38:04 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Dec 15, 2024 • 39min
086 | Andrew Friedman | Community Education in Bartending | Industry Spirits, Seattle WA
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, I continue the conversation with Andrew Friedman, an ex-bar Owner (Liberty, Seattle, WA) and the brand builder behind Industry Spirits. Andrew shares his journey from bar owner to brand owner, highlighting the importance of community, education, and strategic planning in the drinks industry. The discussion delves into the challenges and rewards of creating a bartender-owned brand, the nuances of marketing and sales strategies, and the decision-making process behind scaling a business organically versus aiming for a large-scale buyout. This episode, which includes anecdotes about industry dynamics and practical advice for aspiring brand creators, underscores the value of thoughtful growth and collaborative success in the beverage industry.Time Stamps00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast00:26 The Value of Listener Feedback01:37 Training and Collaboration in the Bar Industry03:16 Challenges and Realities of Brand Promotion05:44 From Bar Owner to Brand Owner07:56 Building a Bartender-Owned Brand09:09 Strategies for Brand Relevance27:59 The Importance of Legacy and Scale35:26 Wrapping Up and Contact InformationAbout The Host: Chris MaffeoAbout The Guest: Andrew Friedman
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Dec 9, 2024 • 33min
085 | Andrew Friedman | Customer-First vs. Bartender-First Bars | Industry Spirits, Seattle WA
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast! In this episode, I'm joined by Andrew Friedman, renowned bartender and ex-bar owner (Liberty, Seattle, WA) and the Founder of Industry Spirits, a Bartender-Owned Brand.
We explore the history and evolution of Seattle's cocktail scene, emphasizing the importance of customer service and the changing landscape of the bar industry.
Andrew shares his journey, insights into bar culture, and the challenges bartenders face as they transition to roles like brand ambassadors.
Whether you're a bar enthusiast or an industry professional, this episode offers a fascinating look into the dynamics of bar life and the dedication required to succeed.
Time Stamps
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:27 Guest Introduction: Andrew Friedman
02:50 Andrew's Journey in the Drinks Industry
04:29 The Seattle Cocktail Scene
07:23 The Evolution of Bartending
11:10 Balancing Stardom and Service
16:42 Career Reflections and Industry Insights
26:36 The Future of the Drinks Industry
32:16 Closing Remarks
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Andrew Friedman
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Dec 2, 2024 • 38min
084 | Billy Abbott | Blends, Single Malts & Old vs. New Ways of Drinking Whisk(e)y | The Whisky Exchange
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, I discuss the evolution of the whisk(e)y industry over the past 15 years with guest Billy Abbott.
We delve into the global expansion of whiskey production, the increasing consumer interest in niche markets, and the role of cocktails and serves in modern whiskey consumption.
Billy shares insights on how new expressions and innovations are shaping the industry while they also explore the significance of brand identity and consumer engagement.
The conversation highlights the changes in whisk(e)y production, marketing, and consumer preferences, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in whisk(e)y.
00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:28 Diving into the World of Drinks Brands
00:54 The Evolution of Whiskey
01:49 Whiskey Trends and Market Changes
04:27 Exclusive Bottlings and Store Picks
09:48 Consumer Preferences and Market Expansion
19:25 Whiskey in Cocktails and Occasions
22:43 Brand Identity and Marketing Strategies
33:12 Wrapping Up and How to Connect
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Billy Abbott
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 25, 2024 • 45min
083 | Billy Abbott | Helping People Navigate The Whisk(e)y Shelf | The Whisky Exchange
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, I sit down with Billy Abbott, Ambassador for The Whiskey Exchange.
We discuss the importance of internal and external education in the drinks industry, the journey from programming to whiskey, and the dynamics between liquid-first and brand-first approaches in spirits marketing.
Billy also shares insights on gauging consumer preferences and touches on the diverse pathways individuals can take within the spirits industry.
Tune in to learn about navigating brand storytelling, consumer communication, and the vital role of education in building successful drinks brands.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:28 Guest Introduction: Billy's Journey
02:03 Diving into the Drinks Industry
03:40 The Role of Education in the Drinks World
05:39 Balancing Brand and Liquid in Marketing
10:00 Understanding Consumer Preferences
12:25 Navigating the Whiskey World
17:38 Exploring Cross-Category Connections
22:02 Balancing Budget and Spirit Selection
23:09 Understanding Consumer Preferences
24:34 The Complexity of Target Consumers
26:07 Marketing Strategies in the Spirits Industry
30:03 Training and Knowledge Sharing
37:01 Career Growth and Personal Development
42:18 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Billy Abbott
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 18, 2024 • 28min
082 | Alice Bidini | Bringing Non-Alc Cocktail Culture to Saudi Arabia | Four Seasons Riyadh
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, we dive into the complexities and innovations within the non-alcoholic beverage industry.
Joined by guest Alice Bidini, we explore the challenges and strategies of introducing new drink trends in emerging markets such as Saudi Arabia.
We discuss the importance of understanding local taste profiles and consumer behavior, especially in culturally diverse regions like Stockholm and Riyadh.
Highlights include our experiences in the evolving bar scene, the innovative concept of a female-only staffed bar at the Four Seasons in Riyadh, and the cultural shift needed to accept new beverage trends.
Alice shares her journey of pioneering drink trends, shedding light on building consumer trust and adapting to local preferences.
Tune in to learn about reshaping traditional beverage offerings and the satisfaction of turning hesitant consumers into loyal patrons.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:28 Managing Expectations in the Bar Industry
03:44 The Bar Scene in Saudi Arabia
06:45 Challenges of Non-Alcoholic Spirits
10:53 Consumer Behavior and Marketing
13:28 Dining and Drinking Culture in Saudi Arabia
15:03 Creating a New Beverage Culture
15:25 The Italian Espresso Bar Experience in Stockholm
17:28 Introducing Aperol Spritz in Prague
18:39 Navigating Local Drinking Cultures
19:37 The Role of Experts in Riyadh's Cocktail Scene
22:00 Trends in the Bar Industry
23:36 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Alice Bidini
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 11, 2024 • 31min
081 | Alice Bidini | Negronis Are Not For Everyone | Four Seasons Riyadh
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, I am joined by Alice Bidini, an experienced bartender and bar manager from the Four Seasons Hotel in Riyadh.
Alice shares her journey from Rome to London, Kuala Lumpur, and now Ryadh.
We dive into the unique beverage preferences in different countries and the challenges of introducing new drink concepts, especially in a non-alcoholic market like Saudi Arabia.
We discuss how cultural and religious influences shape drinking habits in Malaysia and Saudi Arabia and how London's diverse landscape impacts its vibrant bar scene.
Our conversation also explores the global adaptation of Italian cuisine and drinks, from 'Nduja pizza to Negroni cocktails, and the efforts to balance authenticity and local tastes.
Tune in to learn about the cultural nuances shaping global palates and the innovative ways bartenders are rising to these challenges.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:28 Guest Introduction: Alice's Journey
03:13 Cultural Insights and Market Differences
07:56 Exploring Taste Profiles Across Regions
11:29 The Melting Pot of London
13:20 Understanding Dry and Wet Cultures
14:04 Regional Drinking Preferences
15:09 Peroni's Popularity in the UK
17:53 Challenges of Non-Alcoholic Bartending in Saudi Arabia
21:42 Adapting to Local Tastes
28:58 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Alice Bidini
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Nov 3, 2024 • 36min
080 | Philip Duff | The Impact of Cultural Factors on Market Trends
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, Chris Maffeo discusses the dynamic nature of the drinks industry with guest Philip Duff.
The conversation highlights the challenges large companies face in adapting to market demands and the agility of smaller brands to innovate.
The discussion delves into the importance of grassroots brand building and understanding consumer behavior, using examples like Peroni's success in Scandinavia and Mezcal's rise.
Maffeo and Duff critique the reliance on standard research reports and emphasize the value of unconventional insights.
The episode concludes with insights into risk-taking in large firms and the significance of sustaining brand relevance through continuous market engagement.
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:28 Big Companies vs. Small Brands
02:38 Case Study: Peroni's Success in Scandinavia
05:40 The Impact of Mexican Cuisine on Agave Spirits
07:46 Challenges in Big Firms and Market Research
13:14 The Art of Brand Building
24:00 The Mezcal Trend and Luxury Marketing
26:39 Understanding Consumer Trends
31:38 Conclusion and Farewell
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Phillip Duff
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com

Oct 27, 2024 • 41min
079 | Philip Duff | Never Stop Learning to Master The Drinks Industry |
Happy 2026. This Episode is hosted by Chris Maffeo and brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS. A Deep-Dive Analysis of This Episode is Available at maffeodrinks.com In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo welcomes guest Philip Duff, a renowned bar industry personality and brand owner.
They engage in a vibrant discussion about the complexity of creating and managing a brand in the drinks industry, drawing from Philip's diverse experiences.
Chris emphasizes the importance of learning and adapting in the ever-evolving beverage industry and the importance of never being afraid to take risks.
The discussion touches on brand creation, the demographic approach, and the significance of brand uniqueness. The conversation delves into identifying market gaps, consumer demographics, the evolution of drinking occasions, and how brands like Cointreau and Fireball succeeded by seizing opportunities.
They explore how timing and adaptability can be pivotal in making a brand successful, citing examples of industry giants who were once small players.
Throughout, Chris and Philip share insights on the significance of pivoting and continuously engaging with the evolving landscape of the drinks industry.
00:00 Welcome to the Maffeo Drinks Podcast
00:27 Introducing Philip Duff
01:40 The Journey of Brand Building
05:19 Navigating the Liquor Industry
07:48 Targeting the Right Audience
24:56 The Importance of Timing and Trends
38:13 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
About The Host: Chris Maffeo
About The Guest: Phillip Duff
This episode is brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS, an Advisory helping drinks leaders execute bottom-up growth while managing stakeholder expectations. You can get in touch at bottomup@maffeodrinks.com


