

Product Confidential: The reality of PM life!
Product Confidential
Being a Product Manager is no easy job. There is so much information on how to do Product well, but we all know that the reality of executing on this is different. We’ll be bringing you a host of Product Managers to talk about the highs, and lows, of their career - and how they’ve overcome the challenges they’ve faced. So whether you’re looking to enter the PM career, learning how to overcome some of these challenges yourself, or just want to grab a bevvy and listen to a bit of PM therapy - we’re here for you.
Hosted by Michael Palmer (BBC) & Evie Brockwell (Product Consultant & Coach)
Hosted by Michael Palmer (BBC) & Evie Brockwell (Product Consultant & Coach)
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Apr 28, 2024 • 49min
021 | The Power of Strategic Roadmaps with Janna Bastow
Have you ever tried to use a Now, Next, Later roadmap - but your stakeholders still want exact dates?
Do you find yourself spending far too long planning, and want to spend more time delivering value?
If this sounds like you, we can relate.
We've all been on the journey to get our stakeholders brought into a better way of doing things. & we all want to spend less time planning, and more time thinking about the best thing to build.
If that sounds like you, you will love this chat.
We're joined by Janna Bastow, the creator of the Now, Next, Later roadmap.
Janna shares all of her insights:
⚡️ Should you use timelines in a Now, Next, Later roadmap?
⚡️ How can you bring stakeholders on board?
⚡️ Why roadmaps should be a strategic planning tool, not a project management tool
⚡️ How they can help you to cross-collaborate
⚡️ & the exciting part - how AI is saving PMs so much time, and optimising their thinking
You won't want to miss this one.
See more from Janna:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jannabastow/
Find out more about Prodpad:
ProdPad sandbox
Ultimate Guide to Product Roadmaps
How to Move from Timeline to Agile Roadmapping Course Why Now-Next-Later is best
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Apr 14, 2024 • 43min
020 | Impact-First Product Teams with Matt LeMay
In this discussion, Matt LeMay, a seasoned product leader and author known for his insights into product management, shares invaluable wisdom on driving impact in product organizations. He emphasizes the role of soft skills for product managers and the importance of aligning work with clear goals. Matt also reveals strategies for detaching from work to maintain sanity and addresses the necessity of confronting uncomfortable truths within teams. His expertise provides a roadmap for fostering impactful product practices in an evolving landscape.

Apr 1, 2024 • 37min
019 | Beyond User Needs: A Commercial Guide for Product Managers with Ed Biden
This episode features veteran CPO and Hustle Badger founder, Ed Biden.
Ed discusses strategies for product managers and leaders for thinking, speaking and acting in more commercial terms by understanding product team costs, and focusing on commercial impact to secure organisational confidence.
Ed highlights the importance of meeting customer needs while ensuring commercial viability, suggests tools for forecasting ROI, and stresses the importance of hypothesis-based development. He emphasises the need for clear strategies from leadership and suggests ways for teams to navigate uncertainty proactively.
The conversation also covers Ed's project, Hustle Badger, aimed at providing practical advice for product professionals.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:15 Navigating Product Management in Tough Times
00:30 The Importance of Commercial Impact in Product Management
02:36 Balancing User Needs with Commercial Goals
05:18 Strategies for Product Teams to Prove Value
09:01 Forecasting ROI and Making Impactful Decisions
18:36 Leveraging Hypotheses and Feedback for Product Development
29:27 Advice for Product Leaders and Teams
34:50 Introducing Hustle Badger
Links Hustle Badger

Mar 17, 2024 • 30min
018 | From Feature Factory To Value-Led with Holly Donohue
In this episode, we speak with Holly Donohue - a fractional CPO, consultant, coach and ProductTank organiser to talk about moving from a feature factory into being value-led.
This episode is packed with hot takes including
🌶️ How to identify if you're in a feature factory
🌶️ How to convince stakeholders to adopt an outcome-led approach.
🌶️ How to implement the move away from being a feature factory
🌶️ The common pitfalls when making this journey o overcome them. Understand the importance of clarity, teamwork, and experimentation in driving successful outcomes.
Links for the show notes
Holly's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollydonohue/
7 Rules for Positive, Productive Change - https://amzn.eu/d/790S5gw
Value stream mapping and lean waste - https://www.atlassian.com/continuous-delivery/principles/value-stream-mapping

Mar 8, 2024 • 43min
017 | IWD: Empowering Women in Product with Namrata Sarmah
This episode is an International Women’s Day special.
We’re joined by the incredible Namrata Sarmah, who is a 2x CPO and the Founder of Women in Product UK and CPO Track amongst other things!
In this episode we cover off everything from:
Advice on how to grow your Product career in the early stages
What it really takes to become a CPO
What still needs to be done for Women in Product to grow
The realities of returning to work after Maternity leave, and how to make the transition smoother
& How to find the time to do it all!
Nam also talks about the incredible communities she started:
Women in Product UK
Women in Product UK instagram
The CPO track
Find out everything that Nam is up to and stay in touch:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/namratasarmah/
https://www.namratasarmah.co.uk/

Feb 25, 2024 • 39min
016 | Navigating redundancy with Andrew West-Moore
Overcoming Redundancy and Moving Forward
Sadly, lots of PMs have experienced redunancy in recent times.
With so many affected, we wanted to chat to Andrew as he discusses his how he navigated through his personal redundancy experience.
He explains how reshaping his perspective and focusing on his values helped him move forward. Andrew shares practical tips for recognizing and dealing with the emotional impact of redundancy, conducting job searches, and getting prepared for job interviews. He also emphasizes the importance of being authentic, vulnerable, and honest during the job seeking phase.
Andrew explains how he stayed positive and found a new role that aligns with his values, while advising others going through a similar experience to be patient, absorb the impact and remain true to their values.
00:00 Introduction to Navigating Redundancy
00:22 Personal Experience with Redundancy
01:08 Coping Strategies and Lessons Learned
02:57 The Emotional Impact of Redundancy
06:08 The Power of Networking and Support
07:17 Transitioning and Regrouping After Redundancy
07:42 The Importance of Values in Job Search
09:34 The Role of Authenticity and Vulnerability
11:18 The Job Interview Experience
30:26 Finding the Right Fit: The New Role
33:56 Reflections and Final Thoughts

Feb 13, 2024 • 32min
015 | Empowering First-Time Product Managers: Insights from Susana Lopes'
Empowering First-Time Product Managers, with Susana Lopes
In this podcast episode, Susana Lopes, a product manager with an impressive career journey, discusses how to successfully onboard and develop first-time product managers. She talks in-depth about her own unique experiences
The discussion also involves the detrimental effects of bad onboarding on both the individual and the organisation, while proposing practical methods for improvement. Moreover, Susana offers prospective product managers and leaders advice on interview strategies and the significance of a supportive work environment.
Links
Minimum Viable Product Manager article
Susana's coaching
00:00 Introduction
00:00 Susana's Background and Kickboxing Experience
00:11 Onboarding and Developing First Time Product Managers
02:11 Susana's Entry into Product Management
04:08 The Importance of Early Exposure in Product Management
08:13 Common Traits of Bad Onboarding
13:02 Advice for Aspiring Product Managers
20:03 Advice for Product Leaders
25:42 Susana's Coaching Experience
29:52 Conclusion

Jan 22, 2024 • 48min
014 | From big tech to start ups with Adam Warburton
In the discussion, Adam Warbuton, Vypr's Chief Product Officer, shares his experiences transitioning from CPO at a large corporation to leading product at a scale-up company.
Adam discusses
the crucial differences and challenges between the two roles
the importance of mindset in driving success in a startup environment
his insights on building a strong product culture in a fast-growing company.
He explains that high performance, impact-orientation, humility, and the ability to cope with risk are some of the key traits required in a start-up context.
The conversation also explores issues of diversity in startups and the role that leaders play in modeling work-life balance.
Evie & Michael
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Adam's Links
Vacancies at Vypr

Jan 8, 2024 • 43min
013 | Working in Big Tech: the realities & recruitment process with ex-Google PM, Alex Rechevskiy
We're back with a brand new season!
Today we're joined by Alex Rechevskiy, a former Google Group PM, and now coach to hundreds of PMs that want to get into Big Tech.
In this episode Alex tells us everything about:
💥 The reality of working in Big Tech (and it is not what you would expect!)
💥 How to actually land a role in Big Tech
💥 The importance of focussing on your career goals and getting clarity on what you want
It's a great episode for anyone looking to get into Big Tech. & if you don't want to get into Big Tech, you'll learn so much about assessing different companies in this episode still.
We hope you love it!
& please do leave a review, and subscribe to join us for the rest of this season! 🎙️
Evie & Michael
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Alex's links:
Practical Product Newsletter for real-world insights to help folks develop their product management skills and career
Substack
LinkedIn
YouTube

Nov 20, 2023 • 35min
012 | Michael & Evie: Life updates, podcast reflections & your questions answered
It's the last episode of our first podcast season! Thank you to everyone that has listened, subscribed and rated the podcast so far. It has been amazing to have you on this journey with us.
To close off the season, Michael & Evie catch up to share:
Our reflections on the podcast and how we found the experience.
Our life updates and why we're taking a break from recording.
& we answer your questions on:
- How to adapt to the first 30-90 days in a new role
- Risks and rewards in Product Strategy
- Where do we see ourselves professionally in 5 years time
Enjoy all of the insights, and we can't wait to see you back in the New Year!
Thanks for joining us and sharing the last 12 episodes with us,
Michael & Evie


