
Product Confidential: The reality of PM life!
Being a Product Manager is no easy job. There is so much information on how to do Product well, but we all know that the reality of executing on this is different. We’ll be bringing you a host of Product Managers to talk about the highs, and lows, of their career - and how they’ve overcome the challenges they’ve faced. So whether you’re looking to enter the PM career, learning how to overcome some of these challenges yourself, or just want to grab a bevvy and listen to a bit of PM therapy - we’re here for you.
Hosted by Michael Palmer (BBC) & Evie Brockwell (Product Consultant & Coach)
Latest episodes

Nov 18, 2024 • 30min
025 | Frameworks, start-ups & product leadership with Ed Walsh
Ever felt swamped by the myriad frameworks in product management?
We get into all of the details on the pros, the cons (hello imposter syndrome), and how to use frameworks effectively.
Our guest is Ed Walsh. Ed is the Head of Product at Zapmap - the UK's leading EV charging platform shares all of his views in this episode.
Discover why frameworks aren't one-size-fits-all, when they're genuinely useful, and how they can sometimes hinder more than help. Ed spills the beans on his favourite tools like the Business Model Canvas and Jobs to be Done, and offers candid advice on avoiding common pitfalls. Whether you're a startup hustler or a corporate climber, this chat is packed with invaluable insights that'll help you lead your team more effectively.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:30 The Overwhelming World of Product Frameworks
01:51 The Role of Frameworks in Career Development
03:20 Advice for Using Frameworks Effectively
04:22 Understanding the Purpose of Frameworks
05:39 Identifying and Solving Problems with Frameworks
07:54 Transitioning Away from Framework Dependence
13:04 The Downsides of Over-Reliance on Frameworks
15:33 Principle-Based Leadership and Framework Flexibility
22:18 Favorite Frameworks and Their Applications
25:26 Frameworks in Startups vs. Big Corporates
27:15 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Ed is an incredible coach in the product world, if you'd love to see more of his views - you can connect with him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edmund-walsh-61223a47/

Aug 23, 2024 • 29min
024 | Digital sustainability and the role of product
Join us in this engaging episode as we sit down with Claire, the Director of Sustainable Business Consulting at Transform.
Claire shares her inspiring journey from her early passion for sustainability, her roles in digital product spaces, to her current position at Transform. She delves into the concept of digital sustainability, the environmental impact of digital products, and practical steps product managers can take to make more sustainable choices.
Through insightful discussions and real-world examples, Claire provides a roadmap for integrating sustainability into product design and business practices, emphasizing the interconnected benefits for the environment, society, and business prosperity. Tune in to discover how small changes can lead to significant positive impacts and how you can be a part of the solution.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:06 Claire's Journey into Digital Sustainability
02:38 Understanding Digital Sustainability
06:19 The Role of Product Managers in Sustainability
12:23 Practical Steps for Implementing Sustainability
16:05 Balancing Sustainability with Consumer Behavior
19:47 Overcoming Overwhelm in Sustainability Efforts
23:41 Positive News and Upcoming Events
24:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Links to events and thoughts from Claire
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/transformuk_sustainability-netzero-sustainabledesign-activity-7227324081518366724-YA5e
https://www.transformuk.com/pages/towards-a-sustainable-business-blueprint
Find Claire on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbolina/

Jun 4, 2024 • 38min
023 | Becoming an Incredible Product Leader, with Michael & Evie
Have you ever really thought about what it takes to become an insane product leader?
Have you been thinking that you might want to take this career path, but you're not sure how to make it happen?
These are all of the insights that we're sharing with you today.
From progressing my career to lead 5 teams worth $1 billion at the age of 27 & coaching over 20 product leaders, to Michael's current journey - you're in for some gems.
In this episode we cover:
What it takes to be an effective product leader
Our experiences with product leaders (the good and the bad)
Looking after yourself when you hit the leadership spot
The best strategies you can implement to grow your own career
You'll leave this episode reflecting on how you want to show up and lead, and with tangible take-aways to really grow your career.
If you want to become an unstoppable product leader, sign up to the waitlist here:
https://eviebrockwell.ck.page/e9e6c21769
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
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Do subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

May 29, 2024 • 1h 11min
022 | Burnout in Product & why 92% of product people are impacted
Have you ever found yourself feeling like you ‘need to do it all’ to be good at Product? Has it led you to feeling stressed and overwhelmed? If so, you’re not alone.
92% of product people have either been burnt out, or close to burnout.
We spent the last 6 months finding out exactly why this is happening, and what can be done about it.
In this bonus episode, I’m joined by Nick Jemetta, Evelina Dzimanaviciute and Graham Reed, who are all experts on wellbeing in the workplace. You’ll get to know:
Exactly why working in Product is the perfect storm for burnout
How to recognise the signs and symptoms of burnout
What you can do to stay on top of this
Why burnout is so high in Product Leadership
How product leaders can support others, whilst taking care of themselves
If you’ve ever felt stressed, anxious or overworked in Product - then this episode is for you.
Burnout in Product workshop
This workshop will be covering everything you need to know to understand:
Why you’ve experienced burnout
The patterns that lead you down this path
How to unpick the deep routed behaviours that contribute to burnout
Your own personalised plan to continuously prevent burnout
Join us on the last week of June to create the plan that you need. Join the waitlist here:
https://eviebrockwell.ck.page/ea1bd26aaa
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
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Subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

Apr 28, 2024 • 49min
021 | The Power of Strategic Roadmaps with Janna Bastow
Have you ever tried to use a Now, Next, Later roadmap - but your stakeholders still want exact dates?
Do you find yourself spending far too long planning, and want to spend more time delivering value?
If this sounds like you, we can relate.
We've all been on the journey to get our stakeholders brought into a better way of doing things. & we all want to spend less time planning, and more time thinking about the best thing to build.
If that sounds like you, you will love this chat.
We're joined by Janna Bastow, the creator of the Now, Next, Later roadmap.
Janna shares all of her insights:
⚡️ Should you use timelines in a Now, Next, Later roadmap?
⚡️ How can you bring stakeholders on board?
⚡️ Why roadmaps should be a strategic planning tool, not a project management tool
⚡️ How they can help you to cross-collaborate
⚡️ & the exciting part - how AI is saving PMs so much time, and optimising their thinking
You won't want to miss this one.
See more from Janna:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jannabastow/
Find out more about Prodpad:
ProdPad sandbox
Ultimate Guide to Product Roadmaps
How to Move from Timeline to Agile Roadmapping Course Why Now-Next-Later is best
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
Follow Michael
Follow Evie
Do subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

Apr 14, 2024 • 43min
020 | Impact-First Product Teams with Matt LeMay
In this discussion, Matt LeMay, a seasoned product leader and author known for his insights into product management, shares invaluable wisdom on driving impact in product organizations. He emphasizes the role of soft skills for product managers and the importance of aligning work with clear goals. Matt also reveals strategies for detaching from work to maintain sanity and addresses the necessity of confronting uncomfortable truths within teams. His expertise provides a roadmap for fostering impactful product practices in an evolving landscape.

Apr 1, 2024 • 37min
019 | Beyond User Needs: A Commercial Guide for Product Managers with Ed Biden
This episode features veteran CPO and Hustle Badger founder, Ed Biden.
Ed discusses strategies for product managers and leaders for thinking, speaking and acting in more commercial terms by understanding product team costs, and focusing on commercial impact to secure organisational confidence.
Ed highlights the importance of meeting customer needs while ensuring commercial viability, suggests tools for forecasting ROI, and stresses the importance of hypothesis-based development. He emphasises the need for clear strategies from leadership and suggests ways for teams to navigate uncertainty proactively.
The conversation also covers Ed's project, Hustle Badger, aimed at providing practical advice for product professionals.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:15 Navigating Product Management in Tough Times
00:30 The Importance of Commercial Impact in Product Management
02:36 Balancing User Needs with Commercial Goals
05:18 Strategies for Product Teams to Prove Value
09:01 Forecasting ROI and Making Impactful Decisions
18:36 Leveraging Hypotheses and Feedback for Product Development
29:27 Advice for Product Leaders and Teams
34:50 Introducing Hustle Badger
Links Hustle Badger

Mar 17, 2024 • 30min
018 | From Feature Factory To Value-Led with Holly Donohue
In this episode, we speak with Holly Donohue - a fractional CPO, consultant, coach and ProductTank organiser to talk about moving from a feature factory into being value-led.
This episode is packed with hot takes including
🌶️ How to identify if you're in a feature factory
🌶️ How to convince stakeholders to adopt an outcome-led approach.
🌶️ How to implement the move away from being a feature factory
🌶️ The common pitfalls when making this journey o overcome them. Understand the importance of clarity, teamwork, and experimentation in driving successful outcomes.
Links for the show notes
Holly's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollydonohue/
7 Rules for Positive, Productive Change - https://amzn.eu/d/790S5gw
Value stream mapping and lean waste - https://www.atlassian.com/continuous-delivery/principles/value-stream-mapping

Mar 8, 2024 • 43min
017 | IWD: Empowering Women in Product with Namrata Sarmah
This episode is an International Women’s Day special.
We’re joined by the incredible Namrata Sarmah, who is a 2x CPO and the Founder of Women in Product UK and CPO Track amongst other things!
In this episode we cover off everything from:
Advice on how to grow your Product career in the early stages
What it really takes to become a CPO
What still needs to be done for Women in Product to grow
The realities of returning to work after Maternity leave, and how to make the transition smoother
& How to find the time to do it all!
Nam also talks about the incredible communities she started:
Women in Product UK
Women in Product UK instagram
The CPO track
Find out everything that Nam is up to and stay in touch:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/namratasarmah/
https://www.namratasarmah.co.uk/

Feb 25, 2024 • 39min
016 | Navigating redundancy with Andrew West-Moore
Overcoming Redundancy and Moving Forward
Sadly, lots of PMs have experienced redunancy in recent times.
With so many affected, we wanted to chat to Andrew as he discusses his how he navigated through his personal redundancy experience.
He explains how reshaping his perspective and focusing on his values helped him move forward. Andrew shares practical tips for recognizing and dealing with the emotional impact of redundancy, conducting job searches, and getting prepared for job interviews. He also emphasizes the importance of being authentic, vulnerable, and honest during the job seeking phase.
Andrew explains how he stayed positive and found a new role that aligns with his values, while advising others going through a similar experience to be patient, absorb the impact and remain true to their values.
00:00 Introduction to Navigating Redundancy
00:22 Personal Experience with Redundancy
01:08 Coping Strategies and Lessons Learned
02:57 The Emotional Impact of Redundancy
06:08 The Power of Networking and Support
07:17 Transitioning and Regrouping After Redundancy
07:42 The Importance of Values in Job Search
09:34 The Role of Authenticity and Vulnerability
11:18 The Job Interview Experience
30:26 Finding the Right Fit: The New Role
33:56 Reflections and Final Thoughts