

Product Confidential: The reality of PM life!
Product Confidential
Being a Product Manager is no easy job. There is so much information on how to do Product well, but we all know that the reality of executing on this is different. We’ll be bringing you a host of Product Managers to talk about the highs, and lows, of their career - and how they’ve overcome the challenges they’ve faced. So whether you’re looking to enter the PM career, learning how to overcome some of these challenges yourself, or just want to grab a bevvy and listen to a bit of PM therapy - we’re here for you.
Hosted by Michael Palmer (BBC) & Evie Brockwell (Product Consultant & Coach)
Hosted by Michael Palmer (BBC) & Evie Brockwell (Product Consultant & Coach)
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Feb 3, 2025 • 36min
028 | Finding Balance in Chaos with Hannah Clark
Feeling overwhelmed by the constant juggle of work, parenting, and life’s demands?
In this episode of Product Confidential, hosts Evie Brockwell and Michael Palmer are joined by Hannah Clark. They explore the challenges of maintaining balance amidst the chaos. They discuss the early warning signs of burnout, the power of routine in managing ADHD, and the importance of self-compassion when things don’t go to plan. Hannah shares her personal journey, offering practical strategies for reducing decision fatigue, staying resilient, and finding joy in small wins. Throughout the conversation, they highlight how mindset and self-awareness can help you navigate life’s ups and downs and ultimately thrive—both at work and at home.
Takeaways:✔ Spotting burnout early can prevent bigger problems down the line.✔ Routines are essential for managing ADHD and maintaining stability.✔ Structured habits help reduce decision fatigue.✔ Self-compassion is key when life feels overwhelming.✔ Mindset and self-awareness play a huge role in overcoming challenges.✔ Burnout can distort your sense of self-worth, but small wins can rebuild confidence.
Join us for this insightful discussion on creating balance in a demanding world. If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review—it helps others discover Product Confidential! 🎧✨

Jan 21, 2025 • 41min
027 | Open Source Product Management with Karl Abbott (Microsoft)
Join Karl Abbott, a seasoned product manager at Microsoft with a rich background in open source from Red Hat, as he shares his insights on navigating the world of open source software. Discover how Microsoft's relationship with open source has evolved, the challenges of collaboration in these communities, and the nuances of managing open source products. Karl also discusses strategies for monetizing open source without compromising community trust, along with practical advice for those looking to enter this exciting field!

Jan 9, 2025 • 34min
026 | Burnout in Product: The 92%
In a reflective solo dive, the host unpacks the alarming prevalence of burnout in product management, revealing that 92% of professionals are affected. Personal anecdotes intertwine with insightful research, emphasizing the need for self-awareness and ownership over one’s well-being. Listeners are encouraged to identify personal stressors and implement small, impactful changes. The conversation highlights mindset shifts as vital to overcoming burnout, offering a kickstart for setting up for success in the new year.

Nov 18, 2024 • 30min
025 | Frameworks, start-ups & product leadership with Ed Walsh
Ever felt swamped by the myriad frameworks in product management?
We get into all of the details on the pros, the cons (hello imposter syndrome), and how to use frameworks effectively.
Our guest is Ed Walsh. Ed is the Head of Product at Zapmap - the UK's leading EV charging platform shares all of his views in this episode.
Discover why frameworks aren't one-size-fits-all, when they're genuinely useful, and how they can sometimes hinder more than help. Ed spills the beans on his favourite tools like the Business Model Canvas and Jobs to be Done, and offers candid advice on avoiding common pitfalls. Whether you're a startup hustler or a corporate climber, this chat is packed with invaluable insights that'll help you lead your team more effectively.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:30 The Overwhelming World of Product Frameworks
01:51 The Role of Frameworks in Career Development
03:20 Advice for Using Frameworks Effectively
04:22 Understanding the Purpose of Frameworks
05:39 Identifying and Solving Problems with Frameworks
07:54 Transitioning Away from Framework Dependence
13:04 The Downsides of Over-Reliance on Frameworks
15:33 Principle-Based Leadership and Framework Flexibility
22:18 Favorite Frameworks and Their Applications
25:26 Frameworks in Startups vs. Big Corporates
27:15 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Ed is an incredible coach in the product world, if you'd love to see more of his views - you can connect with him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edmund-walsh-61223a47/

Aug 23, 2024 • 29min
024 | Digital sustainability and the role of product
Join us in this engaging episode as we sit down with Claire, the Director of Sustainable Business Consulting at Transform.
Claire shares her inspiring journey from her early passion for sustainability, her roles in digital product spaces, to her current position at Transform. She delves into the concept of digital sustainability, the environmental impact of digital products, and practical steps product managers can take to make more sustainable choices.
Through insightful discussions and real-world examples, Claire provides a roadmap for integrating sustainability into product design and business practices, emphasizing the interconnected benefits for the environment, society, and business prosperity. Tune in to discover how small changes can lead to significant positive impacts and how you can be a part of the solution.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:06 Claire's Journey into Digital Sustainability
02:38 Understanding Digital Sustainability
06:19 The Role of Product Managers in Sustainability
12:23 Practical Steps for Implementing Sustainability
16:05 Balancing Sustainability with Consumer Behavior
19:47 Overcoming Overwhelm in Sustainability Efforts
23:41 Positive News and Upcoming Events
24:51 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Links to events and thoughts from Claire
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/transformuk_sustainability-netzero-sustainabledesign-activity-7227324081518366724-YA5e
https://www.transformuk.com/pages/towards-a-sustainable-business-blueprint
Find Claire on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbolina/

Jun 4, 2024 • 38min
023 | Becoming an Incredible Product Leader, with Michael & Evie
Have you ever really thought about what it takes to become an insane product leader?
Have you been thinking that you might want to take this career path, but you're not sure how to make it happen?
These are all of the insights that we're sharing with you today.
From progressing my career to lead 5 teams worth $1 billion at the age of 27 & coaching over 20 product leaders, to Michael's current journey - you're in for some gems.
In this episode we cover:
What it takes to be an effective product leader
Our experiences with product leaders (the good and the bad)
Looking after yourself when you hit the leadership spot
The best strategies you can implement to grow your own career
You'll leave this episode reflecting on how you want to show up and lead, and with tangible take-aways to really grow your career.
If you want to become an unstoppable product leader, sign up to the waitlist here:
https://eviebrockwell.ck.page/e9e6c21769
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
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Do subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

May 29, 2024 • 1h 11min
022 | Burnout in Product & why 92% of product people are impacted
Have you ever found yourself feeling like you ‘need to do it all’ to be good at Product? Has it led you to feeling stressed and overwhelmed? If so, you’re not alone.
92% of product people have either been burnt out, or close to burnout.
We spent the last 6 months finding out exactly why this is happening, and what can be done about it.
In this bonus episode, I’m joined by Nick Jemetta, Evelina Dzimanaviciute and Graham Reed, who are all experts on wellbeing in the workplace. You’ll get to know:
Exactly why working in Product is the perfect storm for burnout
How to recognise the signs and symptoms of burnout
What you can do to stay on top of this
Why burnout is so high in Product Leadership
How product leaders can support others, whilst taking care of themselves
If you’ve ever felt stressed, anxious or overworked in Product - then this episode is for you.
Burnout in Product workshop
This workshop will be covering everything you need to know to understand:
Why you’ve experienced burnout
The patterns that lead you down this path
How to unpick the deep routed behaviours that contribute to burnout
Your own personalised plan to continuously prevent burnout
Join us on the last week of June to create the plan that you need. Join the waitlist here:
https://eviebrockwell.ck.page/ea1bd26aaa
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
Follow Michael
Follow Evie
Subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

Apr 28, 2024 • 49min
021 | The Power of Strategic Roadmaps with Janna Bastow
Have you ever tried to use a Now, Next, Later roadmap - but your stakeholders still want exact dates?
Do you find yourself spending far too long planning, and want to spend more time delivering value?
If this sounds like you, we can relate.
We've all been on the journey to get our stakeholders brought into a better way of doing things. & we all want to spend less time planning, and more time thinking about the best thing to build.
If that sounds like you, you will love this chat.
We're joined by Janna Bastow, the creator of the Now, Next, Later roadmap.
Janna shares all of her insights:
⚡️ Should you use timelines in a Now, Next, Later roadmap?
⚡️ How can you bring stakeholders on board?
⚡️ Why roadmaps should be a strategic planning tool, not a project management tool
⚡️ How they can help you to cross-collaborate
⚡️ & the exciting part - how AI is saving PMs so much time, and optimising their thinking
You won't want to miss this one.
See more from Janna:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jannabastow/
Find out more about Prodpad:
ProdPad sandbox
Ultimate Guide to Product Roadmaps
How to Move from Timeline to Agile Roadmapping Course Why Now-Next-Later is best
If you want to see more from us:
Follow the show on LinkedIn
Follow Michael
Follow Evie
Do subscribe & leave a review if you love this episode,
Evie & Michael

Apr 14, 2024 • 43min
020 | Impact-First Product Teams with Matt LeMay
In this discussion, Matt LeMay, a seasoned product leader and author known for his insights into product management, shares invaluable wisdom on driving impact in product organizations. He emphasizes the role of soft skills for product managers and the importance of aligning work with clear goals. Matt also reveals strategies for detaching from work to maintain sanity and addresses the necessity of confronting uncomfortable truths within teams. His expertise provides a roadmap for fostering impactful product practices in an evolving landscape.

Apr 1, 2024 • 37min
019 | Beyond User Needs: A Commercial Guide for Product Managers with Ed Biden
This episode features veteran CPO and Hustle Badger founder, Ed Biden.
Ed discusses strategies for product managers and leaders for thinking, speaking and acting in more commercial terms by understanding product team costs, and focusing on commercial impact to secure organisational confidence.
Ed highlights the importance of meeting customer needs while ensuring commercial viability, suggests tools for forecasting ROI, and stresses the importance of hypothesis-based development. He emphasises the need for clear strategies from leadership and suggests ways for teams to navigate uncertainty proactively.
The conversation also covers Ed's project, Hustle Badger, aimed at providing practical advice for product professionals.
00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:15 Navigating Product Management in Tough Times
00:30 The Importance of Commercial Impact in Product Management
02:36 Balancing User Needs with Commercial Goals
05:18 Strategies for Product Teams to Prove Value
09:01 Forecasting ROI and Making Impactful Decisions
18:36 Leveraging Hypotheses and Feedback for Product Development
29:27 Advice for Product Leaders and Teams
34:50 Introducing Hustle Badger
Links Hustle Badger