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Tearsheet is news, opinion, and analysis on the business of finance.
Candid conversations with senior executives, fintech entrepreneurs, investors, industry experts -- all weigh in on the trends impacting the industry and the disruptive impact technology is having on the business.
Where social media, technology and finance intersect.
Candid conversations with senior executives, fintech entrepreneurs, investors, industry experts -- all weigh in on the trends impacting the industry and the disruptive impact technology is having on the business.
Where social media, technology and finance intersect.
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Mar 30, 2023 • 17min
'Our partners want to alter consumer behavior with the credit card': Marqeta's Simon Khalaf
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet editor in chief, Zack Miller.
There are a few brands that are synonymous with the modern financial services tech stack: Stripe, Galileo, Square. Marqeta is definitely in that list. Founder Jason Gardner stepped down recently and the firm named Simon Khalaf CEO. Simon was previously chief product officer at the firm and joins us on the podcast to take a look at the current market dynamics in this complicated time for financial services and technology.
Simon talks about Marqeta’s recent acquisition of credit card program manager Power and takes us behind the scenes to share why customer demand led to this acquisition. With Power and credit along side the firm’s tech in debit and prepaid, it sounds like cards have a lot of room to provide intelligence and guidance to their holders going forward.
Simon Khalaf is my guest today on the Tearsheet Podcast.
You can access the audio and a full transcript here: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/our-partners-want-to-alter-consumer-behavior-with-the-credit-card-marqetas-new-ceo-simon-khalaf/
Mar 26, 2023 • 27min
'You can programmatically use blockchain to reduce counterparty risk': Fireblocks' Michael Shaulov
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m your host, Tearsheet’s editor in chief, Zack Miller.
Today’s guest is Michael Shaulov, co-founder and CEO of Fireblocks. Michael strikes me as one of the smartest guys in finance – Fireblocks, for its part, is a platform to create blockchain-based products and manage day-to-day digital asset operations. Banks like BNY Mellon and BNP Paribas are using the firm’s wallet technology for digital asset custody.
For an industry in flux, Michael is positioning Fireblocks as an important layer in the digital asset technology stack. Our discussion happened before the failure of SVB and the closure of Signature Bank. Michael’s pragmatic approach is refreshing and speaking to him, you get the feeling that he’s building something for the long run.
Michael Shaulov is my guest today on the Teasheet Podcast.
You can access the audio and a full transcript here: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/you-can-programmatically-use-blockchain-to-reduce-counterparty-risk-fireblocks-michael-shaulov/
Mar 17, 2023 • 23min
'You can get a massage in under an hour but ACH still takes days': Orum's Stephany Kirkpatrick
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Zack Miller, Tearsheet’s editor in chief. The move to faster payments is happening. When you zoom out and look where things like the real time payments initiatives are going to have a real impact, you can see that instant payouts can have a lot of resonance in insurance and supply chain. But to do this in B2B, you really need to make it easy and marry identity together with payouts. That’s because a lot more is at stake when things move to real time.
My guest today on the show is Stephany Kirkpatrick, founder and CEO of Orum. Orum offers a single API integration for payouts that works over RTP, ACH, and other rails. Stephanie may be a financial planner by training but she’s all in on Orum and payouts.
We discuss what’s driving the move to real time payments and how disbursements and early wage access are two of the most important first use cases. Stephanie shares what looking abroad can reflect about the road and impact to real time payments.
She also shares her views on where the market is headed and her plans and goals for Orum in 2023.
Stephany Kirkpatrick is my guest today on the Tearsheet Podcast.
You can access the audio and a full transcript here: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/you-can-programmatically-use-blockchain-to-reduce-counterparty-risk-fireblocks-michael-shaulov/
Mar 10, 2023 • 25min
'Signal makes the US banking rails behave the way they should in the future': Plaid's John Anderson
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet editor-in-chief, Zack Miller. A couple of years back, Visa made a move to acquire Plaid but the Justice Department scuttled the deal. The idea was if a company whose business it was to create nodes at most of the financial institutions in the US and with millions of customers, it wasn’t far-fetched to see Plaid become a mover of money, not just financial data.
Well, Plaid now does over a billion ACH transactions a year and is investing more deeply into its payments offerings. The firm recently hired John Anderson from Meta, who has a 20-year history with building out innovative payments platforms. I spoke with John about Plaid’s positioning in payments and where it’s headed. The company recently released Signal, an ACH risk assessment and scoring API.
John Anderson is my guest today on the Tearsheet Podcast.
You can access the full transcript and audio here: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/signal-makes-the-us-banking-rails-behave-the-way-they-should-in-the-future-plaids-john-anderson/

Mar 9, 2023 • 41min
TSPRO#1: ChatGPT and what it means for financial services
Welcome to our first Tearsheet Pro webinar. This is for Tearsheet Pro subscribers. And this is where we go deeper into some of the topics that are really impacting financial services. You have to be living in a cave not to have experienced the excitement or elation around ChatGPT. For me and for the rest of our team, it really got our gears going about the potential impact of AI in financial services.
I've invited two experts to our show to basically separate facts from fiction and really get a feel for what the opportunities are in financial services as we approach these types of technologies and what may be just sort of fantasy.
Joining me on the show, I have Moses Guttmann, who's co-founder and CEO of ClearML. Moses brings more than 20 years of experience making visionary technologies a reality. He's co founder and CEO of ClearML, where he leads the teams behind the industry's only unified end to end frictionless MLOps platform. Prior to ClearML, Moses co founded and led several startups in the computer vision and embedded processing spaces, including Optical, CV for 3D cinema, and an embedded CV startup during his PhD, the last two of which were sold. Moses is an alumnus of the IDF 81 elite technology unit. He's been granted 13 patents and has applied for an additional 27 patents in the field of machine learning. He has been published in five academic journals, Moses is a graduate of Tel Aviv University with a Bachelor of Science and Master of Science degrees in computer science.
Dev Patnaik is the CEO of Jump Associates, the leading independent strategy and innovation firm. He’s a board member of Conscious Capitalism. Dev has been a trusted advisor to CEOs at some of the world’s most admired companies, including Starbucks, Target, Nike, Universal and Virgin. Dev is a frequent keynote speaker at major forums, and his writing has appeared in BusinessWeek, Forbes, Fast Company, and many others. He is the author of the book Wired to Care, named one of the best books of the year by both Fast Company and Business Week. Malcolm Gladwell called Wired to Care “just what we need for the lean years ahead.” When not at Jump, Dev’s also an Adjunct Professor at Stanford University, where he teaches social science methods to MBA and design students.

Mar 1, 2023 • 31min
Why Amex launched a B2B payments ecosystem
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet editor in chief, Zack Miller.
Today’s guest on the show is Mohammed Badi, head of American Express’s global network business. He spoke at our Power of Payments conference last year and I invited him back on our podcast to talk about two new recent launches Amex made that I wanted you to hear more about.
The first is Amex Business Link, a B2B payments ecosystem that includes Amex’s commercial bank partners, for their customers and their suppliers. B2B payments continue to be an important theme, as different players come at this from their unique angles.
The second launch is a co brand card Amex recently launched with Simon malls that rewards in-person shopping. As the pandemic wanes, there is an appetite for in-person shopping (remember that?) – this card targets a younger demographic with incentives for spending money at malls. Mohammed and I discuss these new products as well as trends in Amex’s network business.
Today’s guest is Amex’s Mohammed Badi.

Feb 28, 2023 • 18min
Power of Payments Ep. 24: Talking FedNow and real-time payments with Bottomline’s Jessica Cheney
Welcome back to the Power of Payments podcast. I’m your host Ismail Umar, and today I’m joined by Jessica Cheney, VP of Product for the Digital Banking Solutions group at Bottomline Technologies.
Jessica has been with Bottomline for over a decade. Prior to that, she held similar roles at a number of other fintechs, and was also part of the commercial product management group at US Bank. She has been involved with real-time payments for many years now, and says she has a comprehensive outlook on how payments impact financial services from a commercial, fintech, and retail perspective.
In our conversation today, Jessica discusses the current state of adoption of real-time payments in the US, and how the launch of FedNow – the Federal Reserve’s instant payment service – is going to impact the banking industry. She also talks about how SMBs can use real-time payments to improve their day-to-day operations, and the overall impact that RTP adoption will likely have on banks, businesses, and consumers in the coming years.
Listen to the full episode and get the transcript here: https://tearsheet.co/power-of-payments-podcast/power-of-payments-ep-24-talking-fednow-and-real-time-payments-with-bottomlines-jessica-cheney/
Feb 22, 2023 • 31min
Surveying global banking and niche payments with Standard Chartered's Anand Natarajan
Get the full transcript here: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/surveying-global-banking-and-niche-payments-with-standard-chartereds-anand-natarajan/
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet editor in chief, Zack Miller.
An interesting thing is starting to happen with partner banks. What began as the purview of some smaller, regional players is now becoming interesting to some of the largest global banks. For example, we spoke a couple of weeks ago to Citi about its plans to provide partner bank services for global firms. That means a brand or fintech with global aspirations could work with a single bank in each market, instead of partnering with different local players on the ground.
Standard Chartered is already supporting its clients with its own extensive footprint in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. I spoke with Anand Natarajan, who covers the technology, media and fintech segments for the firm’s treasury services. At a conversation that began in Las Vegas in 2022 and continued into the beginning of 2023, Anand shares his view on a wide range of topics including evolving merchant ecommerce experiences, social commerce, gaming payments, CBDCs and more. It was an engaging conversation – hope you enjoy it.
Here’s my talk with Anand Natarajan.
Feb 15, 2023 • 22min
'Are we at the digital tipping point for payments yet?': Deloitte's Zachary Aron
Link to the full transcript: https://tearsheet.co/podcasts/are-we-at-the-digital-tipping-point-for-payments-yet-deloittes-zachary-aron/
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet’s editor in chief, Zack Miller.
My guest today is Zachary Aron. At Deloitte, Zach heads the payments practice globally and co-leads the US. We spend quite a bit of time trying to understand the move towards payments modernization. Of course, the current economic challenges influence how Deloitte’s clients are thinking about things like RTP and ISO20022 – Zach sees some FIs taking advantage of the opportunities to both streamline payments operations and products with an eye on future competitiveness.
Zach also shares why he thinks payroll is one of the first use cases of real time payments. I first met Zach at Money 2020 in 2022 and this episode is a continuation of the conversation that was started in Las Vegas. Zachary Aron is my guest today on the Tearsheet Podcast.

Feb 10, 2023 • 13min
Power of Payments Ep.23: Elon Musk's grand ambitions for Twitter Payments, Cash App Savings and more
Welcome back to the Power of Payments podcast. I’m your host Ismail Umar, and in today’s episode, we discuss Elon Musk’s payments plans for Twitter, and Cash App’s new savings feature.
We also talk about Gen Z’s changing preferences when it comes to sending and receiving money digitally.


