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Sep 28, 2022 • 26min
Where Credit's Due Ep. 10: Getting capital without dilution or debt through revenue-based financing
It's tough to raise capital these days – VC wallets are tightening as many investors are opting for a wait-and-see approach. This makes it harder to land a deal and get more cash through the door.
For entrepreneurs in need of financing for their companies, equity capital is still the most popular approach but harder to come by in an inflationary environment. However, dilution by selling ownership shares in your company for a part of future cash flows is not the only way to get capital.
There's also debt, which comes in the form of bond issues or loans, a means of financing operations without dilution, as long as – again — you have the cash flow to pay back the loan.
But today we're talking about another way of accessing capital – recurring revenue financing - so if there's cash flow coming in, this recurring revenue is made into a tradable asset that can be sold to investors.
It's a dilution-free and debt-free form of financing, which I'm exploring in more detail with Michal Cieplinski, Chief Business Officer of Pipe and Farhan Lalj, Investor at Anthemis.

Sep 27, 2022 • 23min
Behind Amex's use of Kabbage as 'the heartbeat' of its strategy to help SMBs with cash flow
Welcome to the Tearsheet Podcast. I’m Tearsheet’s founder and editor-in-chief, Zack Miller. American Express' Kabbage is growing and evolving. As a standalone company, we’ve known Kabbage as a small business lender, and post-acquisition, as part of Amex’s strategy, it’s expanding its lending capabilities into becoming a cash flow home base for the firm’s SMB clients.
CMO Brett Sussman joins me on the podcast today to talk about the opportunities and challenges SMBs face, and how Amex and Kabbage are working to support them. We discuss the evolution of Kabbage as a product, and Amex in general as it expands to meet the needs of small businesses. We also talk about Amex’s two-pronged strategy to grow Kabbage.
Kabbage’s Brett Sussman is my guest today on the podcast.

Sep 23, 2022 • 15min
Power of Payments Ep. 14: JPMorgan vs Stripe and Block, CFPB is coming for BNPL, and LTO vs BNPL
Welcome back to the Power of Payments podcast. I’m your host Ismail Umar, and in today’s episode, we discuss JPMorgan’s acquisition of payments firms Renovite and why it matters, the CFPB’s recent report on BNPL firms, which suggests that regulation is coming for the sector, and why lease-to-own, which is another type of installment payment option, has been gaining popularity in recent months.

Sep 22, 2022 • 24min
'Earned wage access is the next evolution in improving day-to-day liquidity': Argyle's Matthew Gomes
The following was produced by Tearsheet Studios. We worked with employment and income data platform Argyle to create a podcast about how alternative lending options such as earned wage access, early pay and paycheck-linked lending can solve some of the challenges for consumers who do not qualify for traditional credit today.
More than 50% of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck and may have thin or no credit history. In today’s podcast, we’re speaking to Matt Gomes, Director of Strategy at Argyle. He breaks down how alternative options like paycheck-linked lending, earned wage access, early pay, and cash advance can offer different solutions.

Sep 21, 2022 • 22min
'Developers have become as central a figure as the banks': Fiserv's Nirajan Ramaswamy
The following was produced by Tearsheet Studios. We worked with payments provider Fiserv to create a podcast series about open finance and the work of empowering fintechs, brands, and FIs to collaborate and innovate together.
In our fifth conversation in the series, we’re speaking to Niranjan Ramaswamy, vice president and general manager of embedded fintech at Fiserv. As we continue talking about the evolution of open finance, Niranjan shares how Fiserv is helping developers create amazing experiences as they bridge the gap between fintechs and FIs.

Sep 16, 2022 • 22min
The Green Finance Podcast Ep. 9: Unpacking the politicized world of ESG with Earth Equity Advisors
I've got a great episode for you today, starring special guest Peter Krull, CEO of Earth Equity Advisors. I always love talking to Peter about all things climate, especially ESG. I feel like he's got a really healthy way of looking at it, because there's a lot of hype in this sector. So don't believe the hype, and always look under the hood.
On today's podcast, Peter and I are talking about how to think about ESG, with a sprinkle of politics – we've seen that a number of states have started to ban financial institutions that sought to distance themselves from fossil fuel industries, so the drama in this sector shows no signs of slowing down.
All of that and more, in today's show, so let's dive right in.

Sep 14, 2022 • 24min
Where Credit's Due Ep. 9: How B2B BNPL works, with Playter and Codat
In today's episode we're talking about buy now, pay later. No, not the consumer version that first comes to mind - we're diving into the B2B version.
While B2C BNPL continues to dominate the headlines, its less talked about cousin in the more significant B2B world is just starting to get the spotlight.
An increasing number of businesses are transacting online, but the payment rails still disappoint many times. And given the shake up in supply chains, companies could truly benefit from a product that can help them navigate cash flow problems.
This is what B2B BNPL aims to do - bringing the latest digital tools to age-old methods of business to business transactions.
We're talking about this today with my guests Jamie Beaumont, CEO at Playter, a B2B BNPL fintech based in the UK and Yasamin Karimi, Head of Product at Codat.

Sep 12, 2022 • 23min
How Amex reached card parity in the US with Raymond Joabar
When I was a kid, my father had a successful friend who prided himself on carrying an Amex card. But frequently, when we went out to a sporting event or a restaurant, he'd have to fumble around for another card because the establishing didn't accept Amex.
That’s changing. Amex has reached parity in the US with other cards. That’s thanks to the work of Raymond Joabar’s team. Raymond is the Group President, Global Merchant and Network Services at American Express and manages direct and indirect channels for expanding the card network’s acceptance. We talk about the channels Amex is using to expand its footprint and the fintech partners helping it get there. We also talk about the work Amex is doing within transportation, B2B, and crypto. It’s an interesting conversation with Raymond – hope you appreciate it.

Sep 9, 2022 • 27min
Power of Payments Ep13: Rapyd's Eric Rosenthal on lessons for US firms from other payments providers
Welcome back to the Power of Payments podcast. I’m your host Ismail Umar, and on today’s episode, I’m joined by Eric Rosenthal, vice president of corporate development, strategy and partnerships at Rapyd.
Rapyd is a London-based payments firm that markets itself as a fintech-as-a-service platform, which provides APIs to help businesses integrate local payments and fintech capabilities into their applications in a simple way.
In our conversation, Eric talks about the meaning of fintech-as-a-service, how Rapyd caters to businesses of different sizes including major firms like Uber, what American companies can learn from payments firms in Latin America, Asia, and Europe, and how startups in the space should try to deal with the current downturn.

Sep 7, 2022 • 15min
'Not all fintech integrations are created equal': Fiserv's Jon Nordhausen
The following was produced by Tearsheet Studios. We worked with payments provider Fiserv to create a podcast series about open finance and the work of empowering fintechs, brands, and FIs to collaborate and innovate together.
In our fourth conversation in the series, we’re speaking to Jon Nordhausen, VP of product management for the fintech organization within Fiserv. As we continue talking about the evolution of open finance, Jon shares how cloud data integration is removing friction and enabling new capabilities for collaborations between fintechs and FIs.
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