
The Counter Narrative: Changing the Way We Talk (and think) About Education
A podcast dedicated to changing the way we talk and think about education. We all know that the field isn't perfect but there is plenty of awesome work happening everyday. Listen in as I profile educators who are positively impacting their staff, students, and communities.
Latest episodes

May 24, 2024 • 40min
Episode 209: Interview w/ Jim Allan
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May 17, 2024 • 16min
Episode 208: Pause to Ponder - Yes to Less
In this insightful episode of "The Counter Narrative Podcast," I delve into the crucial skills of setting clear boundaries and confidently saying no. "Yes to Less" offers practical advice on defining and maintaining personal and professional boundaries, ensuring that they are respected. Learn how to handle requests that infringe on your time and peace of mind without feeling guilty. I share personal stories and strategies that empower you to prioritize your well-being and commit to what truly matters. Tune in to discover how defending your boundaries can lead to a more focused and fulfilling life.

May 10, 2024 • 39min
Episode 207: Interview w/ Stephanie Tellis
Episode Description
In episode 207 of The Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with educator Stephanie Tellis. Stephanie emphasizes the concept of "being" and critiques how educational struggles are often romanticized, neglecting the well-being of educators. She shares her journey of realizing that she defined her life in "opposition to limitation," mistakenly believing she was living freely. Stephanie recounts personal traumas that were overlooked because she was a high-achieving, non-disruptive student, which masked her struggles. She encourages listeners, especially educators, to reflect on their environments, learnings, and identities to ensure they align with their true selves.
About Stephanie
Stephanie Tellis is an innovative educator, cultural practitioner, and healing advocate for Black women. Deeply committed to transformational learning and joyful liberation, Stephanie utilizes a unique blend of culturally sustaining practices and healing-centered engagement to support individuals and communities on their healing and liberation journeys.
Her work is driven by the profound belief that education is a powerful tool for healing and liberation.
Envisioning a world free from oppressive and trauma-based systems and behaviors, Stephanie cultivates spaces where people can learn and grow their inherent dignity and humanity. Holding a B.A. in History and an M.A. in Teaching, Stephanie brings a wealth of experience as a former classroom teacher and certified life coach. Her work is driven by the profound belief that education is a powerful tool for healing and liberation.

May 3, 2024 • 17min
Episode 206: Pause to Ponder - The Power of Priority
In this opening episode of a three-part series, host Charles Williams dives into the essence of essentialism. Drawing from Greg McKeown’s influential book, Charles shares his journey toward focusing on what truly matters—choosing quality over quantity in commitments. Discover the liberating power of prioritizing and learn practical steps to identify and focus on your highest contributions. Tune in for a reflective session on how to streamline your life and leadership by embracing the disciplined pursuit of less but better.

Apr 26, 2024 • 35min
Episode 205: Interview w/ Chad Dumas
In episode 205 of "The Counter Narrative Podcast," host Charles Williams welcomes Dr. Chad Dumas to delve into the pivotal concepts of his book, "Let's Put the C in PLC: A Practical Guide for School Leaders." This discussion unpacks the crucial role of collaboration in Professional Learning Communities (PLCs) and how school leaders can effectively cultivate a culture of continuous improvement and innovation. Dr. Dumas shares actionable strategies and tools from his research and practical experience, helping educators enhance their leadership skills and optimize student learning outcomes. This episode is a must-listen for educators seeking to transform their schools into dynamic learning environments.

Apr 19, 2024 • 8min
Episode 204: Pause to Ponder - Efficiency v Exploration
Join me in this insightful episode as I delve into the transformative power of exploration and spontaneity. During the episode, I reflect on a recent trip to Poughkeepsie, sparked by the celebration of my daughter's graduation, and how it challenged my deeply ingrained habits of efficiency. Ignoring the GPS's directives, I embarked on a scenic route along the Hudson River, discovering hidden gems and breathtaking vistas that rekindled a sense of wonder and appreciation for the present moment.

Apr 12, 2024 • 33min
Episode 203: Interview w/ Jamie Brown
Episode Description
In this enlightening episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams sits down with education expert Jamie Brown to discuss a compelling perspective on the current state of education. Jamie challenges the popular belief that there has been a dramatic shift in educational methodologies; instead, he argues that we have simply become more cognizant of the existing needs within the system. Throughout the conversation, Jamie elucidates how this heightened awareness is not only challenging but also immensely rewarding for educators and students alike. By embracing this new approach, educators can maximize their personal growth and help students achieve their highest potential. Moreover, Jamie advocates for a crucial balance between professional dedication and personal well-being. He emphasizes the importance of educators giving their all during school hours while also stressing the necessity to 'turn it off' and recharge once they step out of the educational environment. This balance, Jamie suggests, is key not only to maintaining a healthy life outside of work but also to ensuring sustained engagement and effectiveness within the educational sphere. Tune in to explore how embracing both awareness and balance can revolutionize educational practices and outcomes.
Contact Jamie
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Apr 5, 2024 • 13min
Episode 202: Pause to Ponder - "Unreformed" The Criminalization of Students
In this compelling episode of "The Counter Narrative Podcast," I dive deep into the heart-wrenching realities laid bare by the podcast "Unreformed: The Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children," and extend the conversation to the broader issue of the criminalization of young people of color within our education systems. This episode sheds light on the immediate and long-lasting impacts of systemic injustices that disproportionately affect young men of color, echoing the stories and themes presented in "Unreformed."

Mar 29, 2024 • 33min
Episode 201: Interview w/ Dr. Brian Dinkins
In this enlightening episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, we have the privilege of welcoming Dr. Brian Dinkins, a renowned trauma-informed educator hailing from Indianapolis, who brings his invaluable insights and compassionate approach to addressing a critical issue in education today. Dr. Dinkins, with his extensive background in trauma-informed practices, delves into the profound impact trauma has on both individuals and educational environments, shedding light on the often unseen struggles many students face.
Throughout the conversation, Dr. Dinkins emphasizes the importance of recognizing and understanding trauma, not just in our students, but within ourselves. He articulates how personal experiences with trauma can significantly affect educators' interactions and relationships with students, potentially influencing classroom dynamics and student outcomes.
Join us for this deeply impactful discussion that not only highlights the challenges faced by many in our education system but also illuminates a path forward through awareness, compassion, and informed action. Whether you're an educator, parent, or anyone interested in the well-being of our youth, this episode offers valuable insights into how we can all contribute to a more understanding and supportive world for our students.

Mar 22, 2024 • 13min
Episode 200: Pause to Ponder - Kintsugi
In this introspective episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast, I delve into the delicate art of Kintsugi, drawing a poignant parallel to the transformative journey of educational organizations. As we explore the beauty in embracing and highlighting our flaws, I invite listeners to reflect on the golden seams within their own spaces. Join me as I weave a narrative not just about mending what's broken but about reimagining and celebrating the imperfections that make our educational tapestry rich and unique. Together, we'll discover how the act of thoughtful repair can illuminate the path to resilience, strength, and a more profound beauty in our collective mission.