
The Counter Narrative: Changing the Way We Talk (and think) About Education
A podcast dedicated to changing the way we talk and think about education. We all know that the field isn't perfect but there is plenty of awesome work happening everyday. Listen in as I profile educators who are positively impacting their staff, students, and communities.
Latest episodes

Nov 1, 2024 • 8min
Episode 219: Pause to Ponder - Leading by Example
Episode Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on his journey as an educator and leader, emphasizing the importance of leading by example. He shares insights gained from observing both effective and ineffective leaders, highlighting that true leadership is rooted in human connection, integrity, and consistency. Williams discusses the impact of leaders' choices on team trust and the significance of embodying the values they wish to instill in their teams. He challenges listeners to consider the legacy they want to leave and the environment they wish to create through their actions.
Key Takeaways
Leadership is shaped by observing others.
Leading by example is a powerful form of leadership.
Authenticity in leadership inspires teams.
Leadership is about human connection, not just strategy.
Consistency is critical in leading by example.
Integrity must align with stated values.
Leaders' choices impact team trust.
Building a culture that endures is essential.
Reflect on the values that matter most to you.
Leadership starts with everyday actions.

Oct 25, 2024 • 37min
Episode 218: Interview w/ Lead by Learning
Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative podcast, host Charles Williams engages with Jennifer Ahn and Sarah Sugarman from Lead by Learning, discussing the importance of collaborative learning in education. They explore the myth of certainty that often hinders educators' growth and the need for a culture of public learning and supportive challenge. The conversation highlights success stories from their work, emphasizing the significance of teacher agency and sustainable change in educational practices. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own practices and consider practical steps to foster a collaborative environment in their schools.
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to Lead by Learning
06:28 - The Myth of Certainty in Education
14:32 - The Importance of Collaborative Learning
18:38 - Success Stories: Transforming Educational Practices
22:06 - Building Sustainable Change in Education
28:25 - Practical Steps for Educators
33:19 - Connecting with Lead by Learning

Oct 18, 2024 • 11min
Episode 217: Pause to Ponder - Can We Truly Quantify Knowledge?
In this reflective episode, Charles dives into a thought-provoking question: Can we truly quantify knowledge? He shares personal stories, insights, and recent experiences that highlight the complexity of using data to measure student growth and achievement. From percentile bands in student screeners to rising AP exam scores, Charles examines whether we’re celebrating real progress or merely adjusting standards to make it appear so. Along the way, he explores the potential influence of College Board, U.S. News & World Report, and the commercialization of education in shaping our perceptions of student success.

Oct 11, 2024 • 53min
Episode 216: Interview w/ Erik Francis
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Oct 4, 2024 • 11min
Episode 215: Pause to Ponder - Battling "Grubs" in Our School Culture
In this episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles shares a humorous yet insightful story about his summer battle with yard grubs and how it relates to deeper issues within school culture. He explores the dangers of focusing on superficial fixes while ignoring the root problems that can slowly erode a school’s foundation. Tune in as Charles provides three practical strategies for addressing the “grubs” in your school and fostering a healthy, vibrant culture that lasts.

Sep 27, 2024 • 45min
Episode 214: Interview w/ Daniel Wendler
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Sep 20, 2024 • 14min
Episode 213: Pause to Ponder - Emotional Hygiene & Pollution
In this episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast, I take a moment to reflect on the importance of emotional hygiene and how unchecked emotions can lead to emotional pollution in our schools and relationships. Inspired by a session with Jennifer Abrams, author of Stretching Your Learning Edges, I explore how these two concepts can impact our classrooms and staff rooms, using Pigpen from Peanuts as a metaphor for the emotional “dust” we carry. Tune in as I share practical steps to maintain emotional hygiene, build healthier school environments, and foster more meaningful connections with students and colleagues.

Sep 13, 2024 • 37min
Episode 212: Interview w/ Daniel Maxwell
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Sep 6, 2024 • 10min
Episode 211: Pause to Ponder - Back & Better
In this heartfelt Pause to Ponder episode, I reflect on a life-changing decision—to take the summer off and focus on being present with my family and myself. From exploring new adventures with my wife in Denver to spontaneous moments of joy with my grandson in Michigan, this summer taught me the power of stepping away from the hustle and embracing the present. I also share how this choice helped me overcome the fear of missing out (FOMO) and led to more opportunities than ever before. Join me as I discuss the importance of finding balance, nurturing relationships, and delivering content from a place of genuine care, not obligation. This episode is a reminder to pause, reflect, and live fully in the moment as we move into a new season together.

May 31, 2024 • 13min
Episode 210: Pause to Ponder - Beyond Fomo
In the final episode of my pre-summer series, I attempt to tackle the pervasive fear of missing out and share transformative ways to focus on what's genuinely important. This episode explores practical strategies for practicing mindfulness, fostering gratitude, and reducing social media's influence to enhance presence and fulfillment in both personal and professional realms. Join me as I conclude the series with powerful insights on valuing the present over potential opportunities, helping you to lead a more focused and fulfilling life. Tune in to learn how to cherish the now and find true satisfaction in the moments that matter most.