
The Counter Narrative: Changing the Way We Talk (and think) About Education
A podcast dedicated to changing the way we talk and think about education. We all know that the field isn't perfect but there is plenty of awesome work happening everyday. Listen in as I profile educators who are positively impacting their staff, students, and communities.
Latest episodes

Jan 10, 2025 • 12min
Episode 229: Pause to Ponder - From Progress to Regression
In this episode, Charles Williams discusses the recent rollback of DEI policies by major corporations like McDonald's, in light of the Supreme Court's ruling on affirmative action. He expresses concern over the implications for diversity and inclusion efforts, emphasizing that diversity is multifaceted and extends beyond race. Williams reflects on the irony of a woman in senior leadership representing the dismantling of policies that enabled her position. He highlights the historical struggles for equity and inclusion, expressing frustration over the current political climate but ultimately holding onto hope for progress.

Jan 3, 2025 • 33min
Episode 228: Interview w/ Jennifer Abrams
Episode Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Jennifer Abrams about the significance of having hard conversations in educational settings. They explore the challenges of professional development, the necessity of adult development in schools, and the importance of emotional hygiene during professional learning. Jennifer shares her insights on how to navigate time constraints in PD sessions and emphasizes the need for intentionality in designing effective professional development experiences. The discussion also highlights the hunger for connection and meaningful learning among educators, and the resources available to support their growth.

Dec 27, 2024 • 10min
Episode 227: Pause to Ponder - From Striving to Being
In this final episode of the year, Charles Williams reflects on his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of letting go as a means of growth. He shares insights from his experiences, including a transformative trip to Denver, and discusses how embracing simplicity can lead to more meaningful connections in the upcoming year. The episode encourages listeners to consider what they can release to make room for new opportunities and to trust in their journey ahead.

Dec 20, 2024 • 49min
Episode 226: The 2024 Holiday Episode
Episode Summary
In this holiday episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams is joined by co-authors of the book 'Grow Your Why' to discuss the significance of the holiday season, personal stories of growth, and the importance of connection. Each guest shares their unique contributions to the book, reflecting on their journeys and the impact of believing in oneself. The conversation also delves into cherished holiday traditions, the joy of food, and the memories that shape our experiences during this special time of year. In this engaging conversation, the participants share their cherished holiday memories and the traditions that shape their family gatherings. They reflect on the importance of music, food, and community in creating lasting connections. The discussion highlights how they carry on family traditions while also adapting and creating new ones, emphasizing the joy of togetherness and the impact of shared experiences.

Dec 13, 2024 • 14min
Episode 225: Pause to Ponder - AI Beyond Academics
Episode Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams discusses the emerging trends in education, particularly focusing on the role of AI in addressing mental health challenges among students. He emphasizes the need to shift the conversation around AI from viewing it as a threat to recognizing its potential as a supportive tool for emotional well-being. Williams highlights the importance of providing personalized AI companions for students, while also addressing concerns about equity and the human element in education. He challenges listeners to rethink how AI can enhance student support and contribute to holistic education.

Dec 6, 2024 • 29min
Episode 224: Interview w/ Holly O'Hern
Episode Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Holly O'Hern, a leadership development expert and certified Dare to Lead facilitator. They explore the importance of self-care in leadership, the courage to be vulnerable, and the transformative power of community engagement. Holly shares her journey from corporate America to becoming a solopreneur, emphasizing the need for leaders to prioritize their well-being to effectively support others. The discussion highlights practical strategies for self-care and the significance of building connections within communities.
Key Takeaways
Self-care is essential for effective leadership.
Courage is necessary to embrace vulnerability.
Connection with others enhances personal growth.
Engaging in community work can provide new perspectives.
Practicing vulnerability builds trust and authenticity.
Mental health should be integrated into workplace culture.
Leaders must prioritize their own needs to support others.
Transformation often comes from embracing messiness.
Creating new neural pathways through practice is vital.
It's okay to ask for help and seek accountability.

Nov 29, 2024 • 11min
Episode 223: Pause to Ponder - Defying Gravity
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on the transformative power of theater and the song 'Defying Gravity' from Wicked. He explores themes of personal growth, the importance of standing firm in one's values, and the challenges faced in advocacy and equity work. Through personal anecdotes and insights, he encourages listeners to embrace their truth, defy societal expectations, and inspire others to rise.

Nov 22, 2024 • 30min
Episode 222: Interview w/ Dr. Chris Culver
Episode Summary
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams speaks with Dr. Christopher Culver about his journey in education, the importance of kindness and empathy, and strategies for fostering a positive school culture. Dr. Culver shares insights on the differences between Gen Z and Gen Alpha, the impact of social media on youth, and the significance of mindfulness and gratitude in educational settings. He emphasizes the need for educators to create spaces where students feel valued and connected, and offers practical tips for integrating kindness into daily routines.
Key Takeaways
Dr. Culver emphasizes the importance of kindness in education.
He believes that life is happening for us, not to us.
Creating spaces of kindness is essential for student well-being.
Self-kindness is as important as kindness to others.
Educators must recognize the positives in students.
Mindfulness and gratitude can transform classroom dynamics.
Dr. Culver's research focuses on school culture and teacher retention.
Understanding generational differences is crucial for educators.
Empathy has declined since the pandemic, necessitating a renewed focus.
Building trust and relationships is key to effective education.

Nov 15, 2024 • 11min
Episode 221: Pause to Ponder - My Birthday
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams reflects on his personal journey of celebrating his birthday after a decade of avoidance. He explores the themes of survivor guilt related to the loss of loved ones, particularly his grandparents, and the impact of codependency on self-worth and celebration. Through his reflections, he emphasizes the importance of embracing joy and self-love as a means to honor those we've lost and to break free from cycles of guilt and self-neglect. Charles encourages listeners to recognize their own worthiness of happiness and to celebrate themselves.

Nov 8, 2024 • 47min
Episode 220: Interview w/ George Couros
Episode Summary
In this engaging conversation, Charles Williams and George Couros explore the themes of innovation in education, the importance of critical thinking, and the role of technology in the classroom. They discuss the challenges educators face in seeking quick fixes and the necessity of fostering a culture of inquiry and reflection. Couros emphasizes the need for meaningful professional development and the importance of teaching students to navigate technology responsibly. The discussion culminates in a reflection on leadership's role in driving educational change and the value of depth over breadth in learning.
Innovation in education should not solely rely on technology.
Educators must reflect on their practices and adapt to better serve students.
Critical thinking should be encouraged in both students and educators.
Professional development should be meaningful and tailored to educators' needs.
Teaching responsible technology use is crucial for student success.
Depth of knowledge in a few areas is more beneficial than superficial knowledge in many.
Leadership plays a vital role in fostering an innovative educational environment.
Educators should focus on creating engaging learning experiences for students.
The importance of collaboration and sharing ideas among educators cannot be overstated.
Educators should model the behaviors they wish to see in their students.