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What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
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Apr 29, 2023 • 53min
101: Unabridged Interview: David Hemenway
This is the unabridged interview with David Hemenway.
After consistently eclipsing all other countries in the number of mass shootings per year, why is America still so obsessed with guns? And in the face of such a polarizing issue, what can be done to stop the killing?
“A lot of people think we have a violence problem, but it doesn't seem to be the case; but where we are different is in terms of guns,” says Dr. David Hemenway of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. He makes the case for a public health approach which treats gun violence as an epidemic to be mitigated through practical long-term solutions.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
Forgiving my Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher
Guns, Economics, Public Health: David Hemenway
God and Guns: Chris Hays and Carly Crouch
Resources mentioned this episode
Private Guns, Public Health by David Hemenway
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Apr 27, 2023 • 52min
101: America’s Gun Epidemic: David Hemenway, Chris Hays, Carly Crouch, and Diane Latiker
After consistently eclipsing all other countries in the number of mass shootings per year, why is America still so obsessed with guns? And in the face of such a polarizing issue, what can be done to stop the killing?
“A lot of people think we have a violence problem, but it doesn't seem to be the case; but where we are different is in terms of guns,” says Dr. David Hemenway of Harvard University’s Injury Control Research Center. He makes the case for a public health approach which treats gun violence as an epidemic to be mitigated through practical long-term solutions.
In addition, Professors Chris Hays and Carly Crouch of Fuller Theological Seminary discuss their book 'God and Guns', examining the presumed correlation between American Christianity and support of gun ownership. To close, Diane Latiker shares what peacemaking might look like on the ground in the face of such bleak realities.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
Forgiving my Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher
Guns, Economics, Public Health: David Hemenway
God and Guns: Chris Hays and Carly Crouch
Resources mentioned this episode
Private Guns, Public Health by David Hemenway
God and Guns by Chris Hays and Carly Crouch
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Apr 20, 2023 • 51min
100: Healing The Earth: Debra Rienstra
What on God’s green earth does climate change have to do with living a good life?
To answer such a question, says author and professor Debra Rienstra, we must first ask a more basic one: what is the good life? “We have assumed that it is affluence and upward mobility,” she says, “but that good life is not sustainable.” If a good life is one of purpose and healing, then it is precisely the Western ideal of success that is eating away our ability to live good lives. In this episode, we discuss her book Refugia Faith, in which she makes the argument that “the created world is not just our grocery store and sewer,” and that to live a good life, we must care for the planet on which the good life takes place.
Similar episodes
The Most Polarized Issue in the United States: Katharine Hayhoe
The Flag, the Cross, and the Station Wagon: Bill McKibben
Hope in the Age of Climate Change: Chris Doran
- The Collapse of the Biosphere: Peter Harris
Resources mentioned in this episode
Refugia Faith by Debra Rienstra
Eaarth by Bill McKibben
Great Tide Rising by Kathleen Dean Moore
IPCC Reports on Climate Change
- A Rocha International
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Apr 15, 2023 • 1h 18min
99: Unabridged Interview: John Dear
The unabridged interview version of Lee's interview with John Dear
How do you live a good life in a world of 30 wars, 13,000 nuclear weapons, 4 billion people in poverty, racism, gun violence, child hunger, and catastrophic climate change?
This is the question posed by Catholic priest and activist John Dear. For years, Father Dear has taken part in peace movements alongside folks like Coretta King, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Desmond tutu. In this episode, he has some unbelievable stories that answer his question in a provocative way: “To do the good means to stop the killing. You cannot be a Christian and support war, or killing, or nuclear weapons. Jesus was totally non-violent; if you want to be a Christian, you have to be totally non-violent too.”
Show Notes:
The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
German Catholics and Hitler’s Wars by Gordon Zahn
Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
The Nonviolent Life by John Dear
The Beatitudes Center
John Dear’s website
Similar episodes
Resources mentioned this episode
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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Apr 13, 2023 • 51min
99: Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
How do you live a good life in a world of 30 wars, 13,000 nuclear weapons, 4 billion people in poverty, racism, gun violence, child hunger, and catastrophic climate change?
This is the question posed by Catholic priest and activist John Dear. For years, Father Dear has taken part in peace movements alongside folks like Coretta King, Thich Nhat Hanh, and Desmond tutu. In this episode, he has some unbelievable stories that answer his question in a provocative way: “To do the good means to stop the killing. You cannot be a Christian and support war, or killing, or nuclear weapons. Jesus was totally non-violent; if you want to be a Christian, you have to be totally non-violent too.”
Show Notes:
The Architect of the American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
German Catholics and Hitler’s Wars by Gordon Zahn
Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
The Nonviolent Life by John Dear
The Beatitudes Center
John Dear’s website
Similar episodes
Resources mentioned this episode
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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Apr 11, 2023 • 44min
82: Rebroadcast - Doing Justice at The People’s Plaza: Justin Jones
We wanted to rebroadcast our interview with Justin Jones. Recently Justin was one of two Black lawmakers in the Tennessee House who were expelled for breaking decorum. You can watch the video of the debate and vote to expel them here. Since Justin is now the national face of a movement to end gun violence and racial discrimination we thought our interview might help provide some context to the man in the headlines.
This is a rebroadcast from before the name change to No Small Endeavor when the show was called Tokens.
“Justice is what love looks like in public.” In this episode, Justin Jones discusses how his work for justice, particularly during a 62-day non-violent protest outside the Tennessee State Capitol, is itself an act of faith, steeped in self-denying love.
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Apr 6, 2023 • 51min
91: The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson (Best of NSE)
What does one’s past have to do with their anger and anxiety in the present? What do our bodies remember that our minds don’t? And what do our brains want more than chocolate, sex, or a sports car?
Psychiatrist Curt Thompson discusses these questions from the perspective of both brain science and theology. A psychiatrist in private practice, Dr. Thompson has expertise in interpersonal neurobiology, and contends that a key to living a good life comes quite simply to this: “being known.” Lee and Curt discuss two of Curt’s books, “The Anatomy of the Soul” and “The Soul of Desire,” with conversation on trauma and anxiety, connection and community, and why people need each other to be fully themselves.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
The Price of the Pursuit of Pleasure: Anna Lembke
The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer
What Hath Christianity to do with Psychology? Mark McMinn
The Soul of Shame: Curt Thompson
Resources mentioned this episode
The Anatomy of the Soul by Curt Thompson
The Soul of Desire by Curt Thompson
Being Known Podcast
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes (coming soon)
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Mar 30, 2023 • 52min
98: The Good life - Lessons From The World's Longest Scientific Study Of Happiness: Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz
For all our modern so-called progress, global happiness levels have been consistently going down, especially in the richest and most developed countries. So what does it really take to be happy?
Since 1938, Harvard scientists have been closely studying the lives of over 700 individuals to answer that very question. In this episode, two of those scientists - Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz - discuss the surprising results of what is known as the “World’s Longest Study of Happiness,” and why they are consistently finding that meaningful relationships are the key to living a long, happy, flourishing life.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Interview with Kristin Du Mez
Resources mentioned this episode
Robert Waldinger’s TED Talk
WISER tool for relationships: Watch, Interpret, Select, Engage, and Reflect
Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam
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Mar 23, 2023 • 54min
97: How Celebrity Culture is Hurting the Church: Katelyn Beaty
Christian culture in our day is full of superstars: authors, athletes, media personas, and even pastors with millions of followers and fans. Their success, and the devotion they receive, often rivals that of their secular counterparts. But what if such fame actually does more harm than good?
Today, Katleyn Beaty explores this question at length, discussing how Christianity became an arena for celebrity, and why a celebrity-based culture makes little room for the traditional Christian virtues of humility, poverty, and accountability.
Similar episodes
Interview with Kristin Du Mez
Resources mentioned this episode
Middlemarch by George Eliot
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
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Mar 16, 2023 • 1h 1min
96: Time Management for Mortals: Oliver Burkeman
We live in an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus. But for all of the tips and tricks we adopt in order to squeeze every ounce of production out of our days, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?
"The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder." In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.
Similar episodes:
Interview with Rebecca DeYoung
Resources mentioned in this episode:
A Testament of Devotion by Thomas Raymond Kelly
Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"
Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl
Transcription Link
Lee's Interview Notes
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