
Secret Leaders with Dan Murray-Serter & Chris Donnelly
Dan Murray-Serter and Chris Donnelly are two serial entrepreneurs who've built, sold, scaled & failed companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In Secret Leaders we get inside the greatest minds and greatest moments in business, because we believe the best way to learn about business is to hear from the people who make it happen.Sponsored by Wise Business and Vanta.Contact: hello@secretleaders.com
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Jan 3, 2023 • 1h 6min
Deliciously Ella: making new year habits stick, the issues of #girlboss culture and why she doesn’t see herself as an influencer - with Founder Ella Mills
Ella Mills started a plant-based food blog, Deliciously Ella, in 2012 after chronic illness left her physically and mentally depleted. The blog blew up and its popularity led to her first recipe book, which was released in January 2015. It became the fastest-selling debut cookbook of all time in the UK and spent eight weeks at number one on Amazon, across all categories. Deliciously Ella now has 40 plant-based food products, stocked in more than 6,000 stores across the UK, an app, more bestselling cookbooks, a deli, and in 2022 had an expected turnover of 20 million pounds. It hasn’t always been a smooth ride though…which we’ll get into. Ella has over 2 million followers on Instagram. Social media has played a big role in the growth of the business, but even though many would describe her as one of the original UK influencers, she doesn’t see herself that way. How did she handle that fame along with the growth of the business brand? What advice would she give to other entrepreneurs building a disruptive consumer brand? And, what does she think about the wellness industry and the desire for quick fixes? Listen to find out.--SponsorsVorboss - get better internet: https://vorboss.com/secretleadersVanta - get 20% off security certifications like ISO27001 and SOC2: https://vanta.com/secretleadersVertice - save on your SaaS or cloud spend ($5k off or a free benchmark) using the code secretleaders: https://www.vertice.one/l/secretleaders--NewsletterSign up here: https://secretleaders.email/You can find our historic newsletters here: https://www.secretleaders.com/episodes

Dec 15, 2022 • 17min
How I Failed: Trying to please the wrong people, with Founder Rob Fitzpatrick
Rob Fitzpatrick, founder of a failed business, shares his journey of success and failure. He discusses challenges in raising funds, shifting focus, and relocating the company during the 2008 financial crash. He also reflects on personal struggles, lessons learned from failure, and the importance of aligning ideas with lifestyle and values.

Dec 13, 2022 • 59min
Who Gives A Crap: Going viral on a toilet and selling 300 million rolls of toilet paper, with Co-Founder Simon Griffiths
Simon Griffiths, Co-Founder of Who Gives A Crap, discusses the viral marketing success of their toilet paper brand and their mission to provide sanitation in the developing world. They explore the challenges of entrepreneurship, choosing a brand name, and the unexpected success they experienced. The podcast also touches on their innovative design features, balancing playfulness and expertise, and their charitable impact and future goals.

Dec 8, 2022 • 17min
How I Failed: “We were like a cockroach company, we wouldn’t die”, with Founder Steven Renwick
What happens when your business pivots so much you end up in a completely different industry?Steven Renwick founded Satago, a platform that helps businesses get paid faster, in 2012. It was actually one of the first companies to raise money on the equity crowdfunding platform Seedrs. Whilst it started out as a way to crowdsource data about when companies were getting paid and use that to make real time credit reports, Steven had to pivot the business multiple times, meaning it went from a technology to a finance business. The more the company grew, the more they needed investment, plus Steven was now in an industry he had no experience in. They raised nearly £3 million in total. But, in 2017, Steven had to try to sell Satago after it became insolvent. What went wrong? Listen to find out. If you have any feedback, we’d love to hear it. What would make the show better?
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Dec 6, 2022 • 46min
The Black Farmer: managing your fear is the key to success, Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones MBE
Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones grew up in poverty in Birmingham, having come with his parents from Jamaica as part of the Windrush generation. One of nine children, and as the oldest boy, it was his job to help his father on their allotment, which they used to supplement the family income. And it was on that allotment he first dreamt of owning his own farm. His drive to change his circumstances was relentless, which was needed, because he had to excel at several different career stages just to give himself the chance of building his company. Wilfred gave Gordon Ramsey his big break in television, having been given his own break in TV, thanks to his raw persistence. Then after finally buying his farm, he set up The Black Farmer, a name coined by neighbours of his farm in Devon. He’s written a book, called ‘Jeopardy - The Dangers of Playing it Safe’, so has really thought about the things that have made him successful - the stuff we want to know about. How did he hone his mindset and achieve his lifelong dream? Why does he celebrate being an outsider? And why is fear so important for entrepreneurs? Listen to find out.--SponsorsVorboss - get better internet: https://vorboss.com/secretleadersVanta - get 20% off security certifications like ISO27001 and SOC2: https://vanta.com/secretleadersVertice - save on your SaaS or cloud spend ($5k off or a free benchmark) using the code secretleaders: https://www.vertice.one/l/secretleaders--NewsletterSign up here: https://secretleaders.email/You can find our historic newsletters here: https://www.secretleaders.com/episodes

Dec 1, 2022 • 14min
How I Failed: 250 VCs and not a single yes, with Pluto Co-Founder Alex Rainey
Do you want to learn about raising capital from someone who has been through the wringer and reflected on his mistakes?Alex Rainey is the Co-Founder of travel insurer and planning app Pluto, which he founded in 2018. They raised a total of £1.3 million, and grew to be the UK’s second highest rated travel insurer and one of the top-3 travel planning apps on the app store. But in September 2022, just a couple of months before we recorded this episode, Alex and his Co-Founder sold the company after failing to raise in a brutal fundraise. What went wrong? Listen to find out. If you have any feedback, we’d love to hear it. What would make the show better?
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Nov 29, 2022 • 45min
Back Market: From middle manager to $5b Founder, with Co-Founder & CEO Thibaud Hug de Larauze.
Do you risk it all when the odds are stacked against you?As a founder it’s very hard to take that first leap into the unknown and even more so when you’re in a job you love.The stakes are rarely higher and it’s so difficult to do it well. But that’s exactly what Thibaud Hug de Larauze did when he left his job to found Back Market, a marketplace for refurbished devices, in 2014. They have grown massively since then, raising over a billion dollars, including $335 million in May 2022 - at a valuation of $5.7 billion. They are now the most valuable startup in French history! And despite being the head of such a successful company he has managed to stay humble. How do you go from being a middle manager to one of the most successful entrepreneurs in the whole of Europe, pitching to former Vice President of the United States Al Gore AND not get too big for your boots? Listen to find out. --SponsorsVorboss - get better internet: https://vorboss.com/secretleadersVanta - get 20% off security certifications like ISO27001 and SOC2: https://vanta.com/secretleadersVertice - save on your SaaS or cloud spend ($5k off or a free benchmark) using the code secretleaders: https://www.vertice.one/l/secretleaders--NewsletterSign up here: https://secretleaders.email/You can find our historic newsletters here: https://www.secretleaders.com/episodes

Nov 24, 2022 • 16min
How I Failed: Losing $1.5 million on someone else’s dream, with entrepreneur Simon Squibb
Simon Squibb is a multi-millionaire entrepreneur and angel investor. After being homeless at 15, he has gone on to found 19 businesses and invest in 76 companies to date. After selling his business to PriceWaterhouseCoopers (PwC) he retired at 40 and is now on a mission to help 10 million people start their own businesses through the Purposeful Project.But it wasn’t a straight line to success, and one of those businesses, a comic book business, failed, losing $1.5 million.What went wrong?Listen to find out.If you have any feedback, we’d love to hear it. What would make the show better?
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Nov 22, 2022 • 58min
How 7 interviews changed my life - our 200th episode, with Dan Murray-Serter
This is Secret Leader’s 200th episode! Over the last 5 years we've featured over 50 unicorn leaders and household names such as Monzo, Slack, Duolingo, Brewdog, Lastminute.com.In today’s episode host Dan Murray-Serter takes listeners through the interviews that have had the biggest impact on him. Guests include host of Diary of a CEO, entrepreneur, and angel investor, Steven Bartlett; Co-Founder of Little Moons Vivien Wong on how they went viral during the pandemic; Eve Sleep Kuba Wieczorek on what it cost being one of the fastest UK companies to IPO ever; and Jo Malone talking about how leaving her company after her recovery from cancer was the biggest mistake of her life. Listen to the full episodes here:
Steven Bartlett, host of ‘Diary of a CEO’ and entrepreneur
Lemonade Co-Founder Daniel Schreiber
Little Moons Co-Founder Vivien Wong
Eve Sleep Co-Founder Kuba Wieczorek
Fiverr Co-Founder Micha Kauffman
Trinny Woodall, Founder of Trinny London
Jo Malone, Founder of Jo Malone innit :P
Dan reflects on what those interviews have taught him:
How to stay consistently true to your path and mission statement whilst not believing your own bullshit with Founder and Host of ‘Diary of a CEO’ Steven Bartlett
How to redefine an archaic industry by tapping into consumer psychology with Lemonade Founder Daniel Schreiber
How to handle the challenges of surprise growth in hard times with Vivien Wong from Little Moons
The pitfalls of hypergrowth when you put the scaling your business ahead of your mental health (everything can fall like a house of cards),with Eve Sleep’s Kuba Wieczorek
How to avoid obsessing over the wrong things, with Fiverr Co-Founder Micha Kauffman
How to stay humble, be vulnerable and start again with Trinny Woodall
How to build resilience and not be a victim of your greatest regrets, with Jo Malone
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Nov 17, 2022 • 15min
How I failed: So close to achieving my dream and then walking away, with Emma Sexton
In 2013 Emma set up strategic brand agency Hands Down in her spare bedroom, on her laptop, with just £1,000 in savings. She’d never run a business before and had been an employee for the past twenty years, since she was 18. Learning on the job, she put all her energy into growing the business over the next ten years. She had one goal in mind, to make £1 million a year. Despite the pandemic, the business was on set to reach this goal in 2022…but in July she decided to close Hands Down down. What went wrong? Listen to find out what. If you have any feedback, we’d love to hear it. What would make the show better?
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