

The Real Word
The Real Word
Welcome to The Real Word, hosted by real estate professionals and entrepreneurs Byron Lazine and Nicole White. Each week, Byron and Nicole share their word on current industry news, discuss rackets flooding the industry, and shout out a marketeer of the week.
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Sep 19, 2023 • 60min
Unmasking Realtor Association Scandals: Notorious R.O.B. Speaks Out | The Real Word 289
Notorious R.O.B. joins Byron Lazine and Nicole White to discuss two Realtor association scandals, the possible impact of the Anywhere and RE/MAX settlements on the industry, the NAR membership requirement, and the possibility of buyer commission financing by the FHFA.
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—Substack: https://notoriousrob.substack.com/
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—Twitter: https://twitter.com/robhahn?lang=en
—YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCvkcWxxBT9q0HXOMtZuTeHQ
This episode's sources:
https://notoriousrob.substack.com/p/revealed-priorities-of-realtor-politics
Industry Relations Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtK8ILGY5uw&t=0s
Timestamps:
00:00–02:02 Intro & welcome to Notorious R.O.B.
02:02 Starting with Byron’s “arena” comment
10:10 Press attention for NAR’s sexual harassment scandal vs SDAR corruption
13:58 SDAR corruption for 10 years and its impact on other corporate leaders
18:53 Kenny Parcell vs. SDAR board members (who are still employed)
22:09 "If you want to be a CT Realtor, you have to be in NAR; is that not a tie-in agreement?"
24:24 “I think the MLS and the Realtor association need to get divorced….”
25:21 Roughly 70% of Realtors joined the association just to get MLS access.
27:13 Will settlements nix the NAR membership requirement for Anywhere & RE/MAX agents?
2925 Could there be a new association to replace NAR?
32:31 Do we believe this is sexual harassment…?
37:57 If Kenny Parcell was innocent, wouldn’t he be fighting to prove his innocence?
41:39 Why is Kenny Parcell described as a volunteer when he was making $300K/year?
43:33 Will FHFA finance buyer commissions? “My one thing about that….”
46:47 “I would argue that it might be better for agents if that were not the case….”
49:38 “Every settlement like this creates more incentive for copycat lawsuits.”
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Sep 12, 2023 • 27min
Can New NAR President Finally Bring Change To The Industry? | The Real Word 288
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss the video put out by NAR president Tracey Kasper, a lawyer letter on NAR’s internal harassment probe, a new committee for NAR members to pay for, and a YouTube podcast video by next week’s TRW guest, Notorious Rob.
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This episode's source:
https://www.nar.realtor/magazine/real-estate-news/tracy-kasper-realtors-are-hurting-but-we-have-hope
https://www.inman.com/2023/09/08/lawyers-letter-offers-glimpse-into-nars-internal-harassment-probe/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtK8ILGY5uw
Timestamps:
00:00–00:32 Intro
00:32 Next week’s TRW guest: Notorious R.O.B.
03:47 NAR President’s call to action video
04:39 Video: A Message from NAR President Tracey Kasper
06:36 “We totally should have turned that into a drinking game….”
08:43 “NAR is trying to put the pacifier in your mouth…”
09:15 “If you want to be authentic….” (Dos and don’ts)
10:11 Number one: outside experts — “They’ve already done and they swept it under the rug.”
12:02 “Number two, they’re going to re-evaluate how leaders are selected.”
13:43 Another committee for NAR members to pay for
15:43 NAR hasn’t been challenged.
24:20 Notorious R.O.B.’s podcast—and his viewpoint on NAR’s sexual harassment scandal
Notorious R.O.B.’s podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtK8ILGY5uw
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Sep 5, 2023 • 25min
NAR Stands Behind CEO Bob Goldberg in the Face of Their Accusations | The Real Word 287
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss NAR's continuing support of its CEO Bob Goldberg, the Accountability Project, a blog on the priorities of Realtor politics—and why it strikes the wrong note—and the case for optional NAR membership.
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/nar-stands-behind-ceo-bob-goldberg/
https://nowbam.com/nar-accountability-project-agents-driving-industry-reform/
https://notoriousrob.substack.com/p/revealed-priorities-of-realtor-politics?utm_medium=web
Timestamps:
00:00–00:56 Intro
00:56 #1 NAR stands behind CEO Bob Goldberg
02:40 NAR’s new president, Tracey Kasper, is part of the club
04:31 Jason Haber’s Change.org petition and the Accountability Project
06:53 Tracey Kasper’s statement (“These are all just words.”)
07:45 Only nine of the complaints were about Parcell. “Who are the other ten for?”
08:12 Rob Hahn: “Revealed priorities of Realtor politics”
19:40 “1.5 million members would be cut in half if….”
22:46 Byron’s take on Rob’s blog — “What fires me up….”
23:11 Nicole’s take — “It’s like talking shit about another agent to make yourself look better.”
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Aug 29, 2023 • 32min
NAR President Resigns Over Incriminating Allegations | The Real Word 286
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss the New York Times exposé of NAR president Kenny Parcell, his subsequent resignation, and the response of the real estate industry.
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/nar-accused-of-sexual-harassment-discrimination-and-intimidation/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:37 Intro
00:37 NAR president resigns after multiple accusations
02:00 The New York Times exposé (with 29 women recounting their experiences)
11:16 Comments on the NY Times article & Parcell’s resignation statement
20:49 NAR marketing spend
21:51 Is NAR a Ponzi scheme?
23:57 Paying million$ for tone-deaf marketing
25:04 “We deserve betteR” — where those dues should be going
28:40 “We deserve betteR” merch & the BAM merch store soft-launch
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Aug 15, 2023 • 20min
Are Real Estate Agents Too Confident In This Market? | The Real Word 284
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss a BAM article highlighting some key takeaways from a collaborative survey with 1000Watt, including agent optimism about the future, confidence in their ability to convert leads, and dissatisfaction with lead providers.
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/83-of-agents-confident-in-lead-conversion-yet-46-are-unsatisfied-with-providers/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:46 Intro
00:46 The BAM–1000Watt survey
01:24 What stood out
01:55 Who was surveyed?
04:12 “How do you view the future of your real estate business?”
08:52 What Byron has observed over the summer
10:14 Agent confidence in their ability to convert leads
14:16 Team leader confidence vs that of agents not in leadership positions
17:35 BAM Camp — early bird pricing will expire at midnight (12 am ET, 8/16)
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Aug 1, 2023 • 16min
The Truth Behind This Viral Listing Gone Wrong | The Real Word 283
Byron Lazine and Nicole white discuss a BAM article on a New York listing that went viral, providing context and sharing the real story behind the hate mail over a passion project that became a target of a myopic and inflammatory TikTok.
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/from-passion-project-to-hate-mail-the-real-story-behind-the-new-york-listing-that-went-viral-on-tiktok/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:28 Intro
00:28 “From Passion Project to Hate Mail” (BAM)
03:18 Byron’s and Nicole’s reaction to the TikTok video
12:58 Props to the agent and to Factioned
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Jul 25, 2023 • 19min
Do Agents Really Understand Buyers & Sellers? | The Real Word 282
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss why it’s critical to understand what the consumer has experienced up until they meet you, whether you need to have experience with buying, selling, or investing to best serve your clients, and how to add value throughout the buying/selling process.
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/do-you-really-understand-the-consumer-experience/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:36 Intro
00:36 “Do you really understand the consumer experience?” (BAM)
02:36 The best way to serve a consumer on Zillow or Realtor.com
04:01 “They’re not pleasant because you’re annoying the hell out of them.”
08:13 Do you need to have experience with buying, selling, investing, or flipping to really understand what your client needs from you?
#realestateagents #realestatecareer #realestatepodcast

Jul 18, 2023 • 24min
How Much Do Agents ACTUALLY Make? | The Real Word 281
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss the NAR 2023 Member Profile, highlighting inventory concerns, Realtor confidence, average incomes based on education level, the worst reason to switch brokerages, and what it takes to become a top performer (and top earner).
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This episode's source:
https://nowbam.com/rising-sales-volume-repeat-clients-referrals-takeaways-from-nars-2023-member-profile/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:33 Intro
00:33 NAR’s 2023 Member Profile
01:29 Listing agents are struggling for business / 90% of mortgages under 6%
02:05 76% of Realtors are confident they’ll be staying at least two more years
03:18 Realtors are struggling even though income is up.
04:42 Decline in income for agents with 16 years of experience
06:33 Forbes article: median salary by education level
11:04 Different ways to look at the income levels
16:04 Splits are the worst reason to switch teams/brokerages
17:53 Big takeaways from the NAR 2023 Member Profile
19:30 What it takes to be a top performer
20:34 The potential (for six figure income) is there, but it requires sacrifice
21:45 The Over Ask Podcast
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#realestatesales #realestatesalary #realestateagents

Jul 11, 2023 • 33min
Misleading Data That Is Costing Agents & Consumers | The Real Word 280
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss a report on a surfeit of agents---and marginal agents claiming a quarter of commissions in three markets---jealous home research, and what they think of Instagram's new Threads app.
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This episode's sources:
https://www.inman.com/2023/07/10/marginal-agents-with-fewer-sales-now-claim-quarter-of-commissions/
https://consumerfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Real-Estate-Agent-Report-7-10-23.pdf
https://nowbam.com/jealous-home-research-the-impact-of-online-home-value-checking/
https://nowbam.com/threads-for-the-real-estate-industry-my-initial-thoughts-on-metas-new-app/
Timestamps:
00:00–00:45 Intro
00:45 #1—”A Surfeit of Real Estate Agents” (CFA Report)
13:54 Byron’s and Nicole’s reactions to the report
21:18 #2–”Jealous Home Research” (BAM)
25:07 #3–Reactions to the new Threads app (BAM article by The Broke Agent)
31:37 Advice for agents on Threads
#realestatecommission #realestateagent #realestatepodcast

Jun 27, 2023 • 23min
America's 4.3 MILLION Home Construction CRISIS | The Real Word 279
Byron Lazine and Nicole White discuss the housing inventory crisis, videos showing how billionaires act differently (with one by Ryan Serhant), and a TikTok with real estate tips from billion dollar real estate agents.
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This episode's sources:
https://nowbam.com/construction-crisis-u-s-needs-4-3-million-more-homes/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ctt4pCMMoec/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GsFr4yVYgMc
https://www.tiktok.com/@vay.namae/video/70943res49187508194602?_op=1&_r=1&_t=8dUzWNpR1DC&social_sharing=v2
Timestamps:
00:00–00:26 Intro
00:26 #1—”Construction Crisis: The U.S. Needs 4.3 Million More Homes” (BAM)
06:35 #2—Reaction to Ryan Serhant IG Reel
09:05 Reaction to second clip
13:07 #3—Reacting to a TikTok with top tips from billion dollar agents


