
How Not To Suck At Divorce: Divorce Advice You Need To Hear
The only divorce podcast that's one part family law attorney and one part recovering comedian. We are dedicated to bringing you action steps, empathy, and a healthy side of snark.
Morgan Stogsdill and Andrea Rappaport bring you divorce content that's resourceful, entertaining, packed with ACTION STEPS from EXPERTS, and most importantly, help listeners feel less alone.
You'll get through this. We promise. You've got this..and we've got you.
**Do not listen to this show if you don't have a sense of humor.
Latest episodes

Apr 25, 2025 • 58min
150. The Easiest Way to Save Money in Your Divorce
Think saving money during divorce is impossible? Think again. In this episode, Andrea and Morgan serve up the real (and hilarious) talk on how to actually cut your legal costs without sacrificing your sanity—or your settlement. From bulletproof email tips to why paralegals are your secret weapon, they’re spilling the strategies that your wallet will thank you for. Bonus: Andrea might just be learning all the words to American Pie, so there’s that too.What you'll learn:How bullet-point emails can save you hundreds (yes, hundreds) of dollarsWhy scheduling quick, focused calls can be smarter (and cheaper) than endless emailsThe right way to ask your attorney for help without skyrocketing your billWhy working with an associate or paralegal can be a total financial game-changerThe exact language to use when your legal bill makes you want to faintBurning questions answered in this episode:How do you ask for cost-saving options without insulting your attorney?When should you insist on a phone call instead of an email?What should you do if you’re feeling totally overwhelmed by the documents you need to gather?How can you tell if your case really needs a big-name partner or if an associate will do just fine?Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Apr 18, 2025 • 54min
149. How To Prepare to Divorce a "Narcissist" with Renee Swanson of the Covert Narcissism Podcast
Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseIn this episode on How Not to Suck at Divorce, Morgan and Andrea welcome Renee Swanson, host of the Covert Narcissism podcast, for a powerful conversation about planning your way out of an emotionally abusive marriage. Renee shares how she reclaimed her identity, protected her children, and gathered strength before initiating divorce — all while still living under the same roof as her husband. It's an episode full of actionable guidance, healing truths, and hope for anyone feeling stuck, exhausted, and unsure of their next move.What you’ll learn:How to emotionally prepare before leaving a toxic relationshipThe power of “baby steps” and small daily actions that build long-term momentumWays to gather legal and emotional information to reduce overwhelmHow to communicate safely and reclaim your dignity while still in the marriageTools and strategies for coexisting with a high-conflict partner during separationWhy there’s never a perfect time to divorce — and why that’s okayQuestions answered in this episode:Can you begin healing while still in an emotionally abusive marriage?What does a practical, step-by-step divorce exit plan look like?How do you manage sharing a home with someone who triggers or controls you?How do you know when it’s really time to leave?What legal steps should you take while you’re still deciding?How do you stop reacting and start protecting your peace?Our Family Wizard is another fantastic resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our DMs, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Connect with our guest, Renee: https://www.covertnarcissism.com/podcastInstagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Apr 11, 2025 • 1h 2min
148. How Do I Know if I Need a Divorce, or if It’s Menopause/Perimenopause?
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, Andrea and Morgan tackle the often-overlooked topic of how perimenopause and menopause can impact relationships and yep, that's right- divorce. They are joined by Dr. Heather Cushing, an MD who specializes in hormonal health, to discuss the effects of hormonal changes on women's moods, behavior, and marital dynamics. The conversation covers the confusion and frustration many women feel as they experience shifts in their bodies and emotions, which can often be mistaken for relationship problems. Dr. Cushing explains the difference between perimenopause and menopause, the importance of hormone therapy (HRT), and how addressing hormonal imbalances can help women make clearer, more rational decisions during the divorce process.Questions Answered in this Episode:What is the difference between perimenopause and menopause?What symptoms are commonly experienced during perimenopause and menopause?How do hormonal changes affect mood and relationships?How can hormonal changes lead to feelings of irritability and emotional distance in marriages?What should women do if they feel like they are not themselves during perimenopause or menopause?How do hormone imbalances impact decision-making, especially regarding marriage and divorce?What steps can women take to address hormonal issues before making life-changing decisions like divorce?Is hormone therapy a safe and effective treatment for women experiencing perimenopausal or menopausal symptoms?How can men navigate the challenges of supporting a spouse going through hormonal changes?What are the best approaches to take for those who are hesitant to start hormone treatment but want to feel better?Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Apr 4, 2025 • 50min
147. You Can be a Good Christian and Get Divorced (Faith and Divorce)
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we dive into the complex relationship between faith and divorce. Our guest, Bree Sullivan-Howell, a family law attorney and author, shares her personal journey and professional insights on navigating divorce when your Christian faith conflicts with the decision to separate. From understanding the Biblical perspective on divorce to overcoming the shame and judgment that often accompanies faith-based divorces, Brie offers a compassionate and practical guide and practical steps tat you CANNOT miss.What you'll learn:The challenges of reconciling religious beliefs with the reality of divorce.How to handle cultural and religious pressures while considering divorce.Actionable steps to take before and during the divorce process, including creating a plan, gathering your documents, and preparing for shifts in your social circles.Insights on how to stay true to your faith while navigating divorce, with examples of how faith can strengthen rather than hinder the process.Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Connect with Bree:bree@sullivan-firm.comInstagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Mar 28, 2025 • 56min
146. What You Need to Know About Divorce If you Have a Child with Special Needs
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we dive into the complexities of navigating a divorce when you have a child with special or higher needs. We’re joined by Cari Pines, an attorney in LA who specializes in family law and has personal experience with raising special needs children. Cari shares her expertise on how to manage the legal and emotional challenges that come with divorce when your child requires extra care and attention.What you’ll learn:How to communicate effectively with your attorney about your child’s special needsThe importance of gathering information about your child’s diagnosis, behaviors, and needs before you begin the divorce processThe role of a forensic expert and why this might be necessary in some casesPractical advice on managing disputes with your ex regarding your child’s medical care and therapyTips on using tools like Our Family Wizard to keep track of communications and medical expensesHow to take care of yourself while navigating the difficult path of parenting a child with special needs during a divorceOur Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Mar 21, 2025 • 1h 15min
145. What Happens When Your Children Needs Their Own Representation In Your Divorce
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we explore the complexities of hiring a Guardian ad Litem (GAL) or an Attorney for the Child (AFC), two roles that are often involved when there are disputes over parenting time or custody. Special guest Randi Karmel, a seasoned attorney based in New York, shares her expert insights on when and why these professionals might be appointed in divorce cases and how they can impact your case.What you’ll learn:The roles and differences between a GAL and an AFC, and how they advocate for children in custody casesHow to determine if you need an AFC or GAL, and the potential impact on your caseThe importance of honesty and transparency when communicating with an AFC or GALKey differences in how these roles work in different states, like New York versus IllinoisHow to prepare for interviews with an AFC or GAL and what to avoid doing during these interactionsOur Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Mar 17, 2025 • 1h
144. Does Your Divorce Need a Forensic Accountant?
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we dive into the world of forensic accountants and when you should—and shouldn't—bring one into your divorce case. Featuring expert Marie Ebersbacher, a senior managing director in forensic consulting, we explore how forensic accountants help uncover hidden assets, value businesses, and track income. We also share some wild, real-life stories, including one about a celebrity hairdresser's murder that has some SERIOUS financial implications! Hit play - you can't miss this one!What you’ll learn:When is it worth hiring a forensic accountant for your divorce?How to spot discrepancies in financial documents (and what to do about them)Real-life stories of financial shenanigans and how they played out in divorce casesTips on saving time and money during your divorce process without going rogueTune in for valuable insights and a little humor to make the divorce process juuuust a bit less overwhelming!Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuck20Friends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Mar 7, 2025 • 45min
143. Listen BEFORE You File for Divorce
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, the hosts discuss the right and wrong times to file for divorce with the help of expert family law attorney Jacqueline Newman. They break down seasonal considerations, personal financial situations, and how to recognize when emotional readiness plays a crucial role in deciding whether or not to take the plunge. Jacqueline shares her professional advice on when to act and when it might be wise to wait, all while offering insight on the emotional, financial, and practical factors that affect the timing of a divorce. The episode highlights how a strategic approach, involving patience and timing, can make a significant difference in the outcome of a divorce case.What Listeners Will Learn:The ideal time to file for divorce (hint: there actually IS an ideal time)Why it's important to wait for a stable financial moment or to avoid filing during difficult life circumstancesHow to determine if you're emotionally and financially prepared for the challenges of divorceThe importance of understanding the business and financial ramifications before making the decision to fileWhy it’s crucial to have a lawyer who asks the right questions to guide you through your divorce strategyPractical advice on navigating emotional and financial hurdles that can arise when thinking about divorceOur Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners AND save 20% on their essentials package! www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuck20Friends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Feb 28, 2025 • 42min
142. Do I Need a Prenup? (Everything You Need to Know About Prenups to Avoid an Expensive Divorce)
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we dive into the world of prenuptial agreements (prenups) and why they might be something to consider for anyone entering a marriage, especially if you're coming into the union with significant assets or wealth. They cover everything from what goes into a prenup, who might need one, and how to navigate the conversation with your partner, to the importance of finding a good lawyer and ensuring fairness in the agreement. They also discuss some of the more unusual clauses that might appear in prenups and share tips on how to approach the topic with your partner in a way that is clear and non-confrontational.The burning questions you'll get answers to:Who typically needs a prenup?Are there any common clauses included in prenups, like those involving children or lifestyle?How much can you expect to pay for a prenup?Should both parties hire separate attorneys when creating a prenup?What should someone look out for if they are served a prenup?When is the best time to start discussing and signing a prenup before marriage?Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago

Feb 19, 2025 • 51min
141. What You Need to Know about Your Divorce Custody Agreement Before You Sign
In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, we dive deep into the dreaded parenting plans (also called custody agreements, parenting schedules, or allocation judgments). They break down what really matters in these complex documents, from decision-making on medical care and extracurricular activities to holiday schedules and the right of first refusal.Andrea shares her personal struggles with her own parenting agreement and offers tips on how you can avoid the mistakes she made. Morgan provides expert legal insight on how to negotiate a fair agreement that works for both parents and their kids.What You’ll Learn:The key components of a parenting plan: decision-making, holidays, medical care, and more.Why you need to be proactive and think about how decisions today will impact your future.How to work with your lawyer to create a flexible and fair plan for you and your kids.The importance of compassionate communication and why it's key when negotiating with your ex.Pro tips on how to handle tricky situations like school choice, summer camps, and the right of first refusal.Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-courseOur Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuckFriends, slide into our dms, we love love love hearing from you. We are always here to listen and help in any way we can. You've got this and we've got you.Instagram: @hownotosuckatdivorceFollow Andrea: @theandrearappaportFollow Morgan: @divorceattorneychicago
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