
The Project Chatter Podcast
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
Latest episodes

Oct 31, 2022 • 1h 4min
S6E141: The Story Catchers - Capturing & Analysing stories with Susan Rooney-Harding
In this episode, Val caught up with a passionate and dedicated storyteller. The value of stories on projects is immense. As data and technology service the digital position, we still require the breadth, depth and understanding of storytellers, managers and people on the ground to explain and narrate the changes and forces that deliver projects that matter.
Susan is a documentary filmmaker and a creative qualitative data specialist. Her inquisitive and intuitive nature is central to her ability to capture meaningful stories for a greater purpose.
Susan is the founder of The Story Catchers - Stories for Purpose.
Together with Nerissa Walton Story Cathers Evaluation Specialist, we co-created a methodology that uses film and community participatory approaches in monitoring, evaluation, and social impact measurement.
Film presents evidence in a way that a written story cannot do. Our methodology supports communities to tell and share their stories. This helps to eliminate situations where project staff tell their versions on behalf of communities. Numbers aren’t enough to fully understand community conditions of well-being, or quantitatively assess certain aspects of well-being. For example, in measuring human emotion and perception; we need stories to do this!
Our methodology enhances the individual and collective voice, including the silent and unheard voices that are often sidelined. The methodology empowers communities to actively co-create and evaluate their own projects and programs. We have been using our methodology for close to a decade and we have refined our processes. We know it is an effective tool in the evaluation and reporting process.
Using our methodology for evaluation and impact measurement can help create positive systemic, sustainable change in the organisation and communities that we work with.
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Oct 27, 2022 • 1h 25min
S6E140: SPECIAL EDITION - EVA27 - Project Performance in Turbulent Times curated by Steve Wake
In this episode, Dale is joined by Marco Frisenda and Jo Lucas as guest hosts to speak with Steve Wake and some of the presenters from EVA27 about Project Performance in Turbulent Times!
You'll hear from..
Steve Elliot, Experienced consultant and expert adviser in the field of project controls within complex infrastructure programmes and projects;
Tony Welch, VP Bids And Programmes Thales;
Mark Wild, former CEO Crossrail;
Georgie Alderson-Slater, Director GeoVic Ltd;
Ajay Patel, Head of Risk TfL;
Charlotte Candy, Director of Risk AECOM;
...who provide a wide-ranging collection of thought-leadership in everything from leadership, lessons learned, gamification of risk, training project controls professionals, the future of projects and much much more!
EVA is an intimate conference which takes place at the Armourers Hall in London. Nestled in the heart of London the Armourers' Hall is the home of The Armourers & Brasiers' Company. The Company was founded in 1322 as the guild overseeing the production of armour. It now exists primarily for charitable purposes.
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Oct 23, 2022 • 1h 7min
S6E139: The Post-Pandemic Job Market in Projects with Chirag Shah
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Chirag Shah to discuss the post-pandemic Project Controls job market.Chirag is a passionate Project Controls Recruitment Expert. His mission is to deliver clients the best quality Project Controls and PMO professionals, who are trusted to bring projects in on time and within budget.Chirag does this by digging that little bit deeper, to understand the client's story and what they are trying to achieve. He has more than 17 year's recruitment experience, having built an extensive network and is a trusted advisor.Most recently, Chirag has been moving the project community forward through LinkedIn and by bringing people together through networking events. He is the London Ambassador for the Project Connect Group and is promoting other leading industry events such as Project Controls Expo
and Project Controls Summit.Outside of work, Chirag is a dedicated father to an 8-year-old and 1 year old. The pandemic helped Chirag focus on changing from a fixed to a growth mindset or so he likes to think.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Many youngsters are choosing to move abroad to take advantage of major infrastructure investment in Australia and the Middle East
The shift towards hybrid working has made it harder for early careers staff to gain softer skills such as resilience, influencing and networking
The UK Project Controls job market is buoyant. People should not worry about whether they can leave a “safe job”
There has been a greater diversity of experience in the project controls market
Don’t be a “quiet quitter” – be passionate about what you’re doing!
Recruiters try to look for examples of resilience in candidates based on the type of experience during their career
Many recruiters advocate references and testimonials into CV’s to stand out from the crowd
UK Project Controls salaries have increased by c.10-15% since the start of the pandemic
Join us next week when we speak to Susan Rooney-Harding to discuss the inability to evaluate complex and multiple truths as one of the greatest threats
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Oct 16, 2022 • 1h 13min
S6E138: Managing the inhibitors to effective Project Controls with Dr Yakubu Olawale
In this episode Dale and Val speak to Dr Yakubu about his research and book on the subject of inhibitors and enablers. This is a thought-provoking show, breaking down the various elements and factors that contribute to project failure and success. This episode is not one to be missed.
Dr Yakubu Olawale is an Associate Director at KPMG UK Major Projects Advisory, where he consults, advises clients, provides assurance for boards, government, and leaders of organizations in relation to their capital projects, programmes, and infrastructure investments.
He is also involved with due diligence reviews for organisations pursuing acquisition of project centric organisations as well as for lenders and banks in relation to their exposure to the capital projects of their corporate debtors.
He is also a board member at Pioneer Group and possesses more than 20 years of experience across many sectors including involvement with many strategically important projects in the UK. He has held senior positions at FTSE 100 and 250 companies in the UK and was also a lecturer in project and commercial management at Aston university, UK. He is multi-qualified as a Project Manager, Chartered Accountant, Chartered Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, Chartered Construction Manager, and a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy.
He is passionate about project control and his research works have also been published in leading academic journals including International Journal of Project Management, Journal of Management in Engineering and international Journal of Project Organisation and Management.
He is the author of Project Control Methods and Best Practices: Achieving Project Success.
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Oct 10, 2022 • 1h 2min
S6E137: Is Quantity Surveying a Dying profession? & Alliance Contracts with Brendan Robinson
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Brendan Robinson to discuss whether Quantity Surveying is a dying profession. We also discussed Alliance Contracts.Brendan is a Chartered Quantity Surveyor and Experienced Commercial Construction Professional. Brendan has worked for both Client and Main Contractor organisations for around 20 years. He recently joined a Construction Consultancy and specialises in Post Contract but has also had some experience in the Pre-Contract Stages of Construction Contracts. He has generally focused on Infrastructure Projects and specifically rail related projects over the last 15 years.He studied in and is originally from Cape Town, South Africa. He is a graduate of the Construction Law and Dispute Resolution Masters Programme at Kings College and a Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors.He supports and works with tertiary education providers, most recently Universities, mentoring across Quantity Surveying and Contract Law courses and apprenticeships. He is passionate about Quantity Surveying and feels privileged to have supported and sponsored the Quantity Surveying Apprenticeship at Transport for London for around 5 years - 5 Cohorts and around 72 Apprentices on the programme. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Quantity Surveyors are primarily focused on the cost and contractual side of contracts projects
NEC has the most well known form of Alliance Contract. It is a relatively modern concept where all parties have a shared goal. It seeks to align goals between partners
An Alliance contract generally sets out how to behave with other parties during the set-up phase
The main changes over the last 20 years are around technological improvements in communication between clients / contractors
The level of record keeping has also improved in the last decade due to technology. Turnstiles and gates allow projects the monitor the volume of staff on site. This has led to it being a more paperwork heavy role
Microsoft Excel is a helpful tool for QS’ but it is not essential. You cannot negotiate a variation on Excel!
Delay damages are rarely successful on construction projects despite the effort in pursuing them
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Oct 2, 2022 • 1h 24min
S6E136: Why Leadership is an Important Skill for Project Controls with Georgie Alderson-Slater & Vikki Rooney
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Georgie Alderson-Slater and Vikki Rooney to discuss why Project Controllers struggle to lead. Georgie is a Director for GeoVic Limited, a project controls training and development company that centers on PMO Transformation. She has 20 years of experience in Project Controls, Contract Management, Relationship Building & Management, and Effecting Change. Her background is in Oil and Gas, Defence & Nuclear. Vikki is a Project Controls professional with more than 15 years of experience in Planning and Project Controls. Vikki is passionate about Project Controls as a profession and firmly advocates professionalism and a pride in the work that we do to support successful project delivery.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
The definition of project controls ultimately depends on the organization in which it is being used
Integrity is the most important skill set for someone working in project controls
Aim to challenge your stakeholders but in a personable manner – even in job interviews
When looking for leaders, try to identify if people are “paying it forward” and sharing knowledge with team members
You will gain followers over time as a leader, however, you should always start by being empathetic
Do we focus more on leadership than “followership”?
Early careers staff should try to focus on the detail and take advantage of their role by asking lots of questions
Take charge of your personal development – apply the learning
On-the-job learning is the best way to enhance both soft and technical teams
Organisational culture comes from the top of the business. You can’t expect it to change from the middle downwards
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 16min
S6E135: Embodied Carbon and Transformation with James Bowles and Jo Lucas
In this episode, Dale and Val talk to James and Jo about Zero and the embodied carbon movement to reduce the negative carbon impact the construction industry is having on the current and future climate. The ZERO mission is to create a new construction industry culture, that continuously measures and manages carbon through all project stages. It is critical that as an industry we unite and work together to solve our planet’s greatest problems and make sustainability of equal importance as cost, time and safety on every project.
James has a mix of experience in engineering, construction and project delivery. He founded Freeform, a 4D modelling consultancy in 2010 and now runs "ZERO" a fast-growing carbon-focussed industry group.James has a mix of experience in engineering, construction and project delivery. He founded Freeform, a 4D modelling consultancy in 2010 and now runs "ZERO" a fast-growing carbon-focussed industry group.
Jo has over 20 years of experience in delivering change within and between large and complex organisations, including TfL, HS2 Ltd., UCL, BAA, ODA and Network Rail. She started her career as a civil/structural engineer with Arup building bridges and likes to see the work she now does as building bridges of a different kind; those between teams and organisations.
You can find more information here: https://www.zeroconstruct.com/
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Sep 18, 2022 • 1h 35min
S6E134: Does AI & Machine Learning really make a difference with Alan Mosca
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Alan Mosca to discuss whether machine learning and AI can really make a difference.Alan is the co-founder and CTO of nPlan, where he leads technology, research, and product, whilst developing thought leadership about forecasting and risk. Before nPlan, Alan spent 7 years as a technologist in quantitative finance, on live trading systems, research, and front-office in both high-frequency trading and asset management.Alan has extensive experience in algorithm design and software engineering and holds a BEng in Computer Engineering, MSc in Computer Science, and doctoral research in machine learning theory. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Machine Learning (ML) is a sub-branch of AI although the terms are often used interchangeablyML is useful for spotting really complex patternsWhen approaching major projects, machine learning aims to capture the data and experienceThe aim is to make the data simple enough for business leaders to understandAutomation will rescue some project information by providing consistency on transactional actionsThe key to understanding how to make good decisions is to understand the process they are going through to make it (see double diamond process)“Go to their bus stop”!Machine Learning can not and will not fix cultural issues within projects and organisationsML/IA will not replace humans on projects, it can only be used to inform decision makers to improve performanceCritical Path Methodology was great when tools were not available to do multiple scenarios on activitiesUse the current version of the future to make the next version of the future betterCould projects start using a decision log and track the inputs used to inform the decisions?
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:· Double Diamond Decision Process: https://www.designcouncil.org.uk/our-work/news-opinion/double-diamond-universally-accepted-depiction-design-process/· Buyer Decision Process: https://www.iedunote.com/buyer-decision-process· Cognitive Biases: https://thedecisionlab.com/biases· Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction Phillip Tetlock, Dan Gardner: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Superforecasting-Science-Prediction-Philip-Tetlock/dp/1847947158/ref=asc_df_1847947158/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310805565966&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12494366783115682348&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045901&hvtargid=pla-454864998863&psc=1&th=1&psc=1· nPlan Experimental Research Department:

Sep 12, 2022 • 1h 3min
S6E133: Why construction software sucks with Jason Lancini
In this episode, Dale speaks with Jason Lancini about why construction software sucks!
Jason chooses a very provocative title to make his case for user-centric software development in construction project management.
Jason is COO and leads the product team and operations at Aphex. As a former construction project manager and engineer, and a former, former construction labourer he is passionate about building construction software that is actually great to use for the end user.
The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Software should be able to help us churn information faster, pull information together quicker and turning data into meaningful information that can be used to make decisions
Software is usually procured top down which means it is mandated on end users rather than being tailored to their needs
The best time to try new software is at the start of a project when the procedural documents are being written
Planning software may have the official project plan but it may not have all the unofficial plans e.g. the engineering lookahead. Consider if you are seeing the full picture
Augmented Reality / Virtual Reality is more likely to be adopted on consumer products before it is used on construction products
Tune in next time when we’re joined by Alan Mosca to discuss whether AI & Machine Learning really makes a difference?
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.
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Sep 5, 2022 • 1h 7min
S6E132: Best Value Performance Management and Palms Up Approaches with Richard Plumery
In this episode, Val ventures in Han Solo fashion discussing the best value performance metrics approaches with Rich Plumery. Rich provides a non-linear and diverse background with which he credits his understanding of what works on projects.
Rich discusses his findings and summation of the Project Controls 10 commandments
Thou shall:
1) Eliminate systemic risks within the organization
2) Provide an unbiased objective view (verify )
3) Focus more on critical risks and report on them more frequently
4) Keep risk management active and aware throughout the execution
5) Be where the work is more than where your desk is
6) Manage and report change rigorously and rapidly
7) More about analytical analysis than information production
8) Analyze trends and use leading indicators
9) Look forward with good planning and backward by using solid historical knowledge
10) Provide the best value by doing the other Nine Commandments (build credibility in our craft)
You can also see further work here- https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/project-controls-ten-commandments-rich-plumery-pmp-evp/
Rich Plumery is an international speaker, published author and subject matter expert on project delivery and performance management. Rich is a Technical Board Director for the Association for the Advancement of Cost Engineering (AACE) International, which sets the guidelines for many of our industry practices. Rich has unique experiences outside the industry as he started and sold several businesses including a tactical supply business and sports performance coaching business teaching speed, power, agility and balance. This business coached hundreds of professional athletes and prepared over 200 college athletes for the NFL Combine. He also runs a foundation to support developmentally challenged adults in the local community. He has learned to apply many of the learnings from these unique experiences to capital project industry management and leadership.
Rich has been with AECOM legacy companies since the late 80’s and his expertise covers every aspect of project delivery including risk management, planning, scheduling, cost control, change management, budgeting, engineering, design, construction, construction management, operations, contracts, finance, estimating, and performance management.
This has led Rich to be innovative in creating approaches to overcome some of the industry's toughest challenges such as the conundrum of Earned Value false reads and manipulation vulnerabilities. Rich's Best Value Performance Management system was revealed in his seminal Best Value paper in 2013 published by AACE International. His current Palms Up approach to project and operational leadership is another game changer for project-based industries and beyond.
Rich is currently the Senior Vice President of AECOM’s Project Delivery & Controls group for all the Americas regions. In his current role he is responsible for supporting project delivery (Project Management, Project Controls, Procurement, Quality, and Project Risk Management) for over 30,00 projects in the Americas and teaching and certifying over 7,000 Project Managers globally.
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