

The Project Chatter Podcast
Val Matthews & Dale Foong
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
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Nov 20, 2022 • 1h 9min
S6E144: Unlocking Productivity from the Hard Hat Movement with Will Woodhead
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Will Woodhead to discuss unlocking productivity from the hardhat movement. Will is an engineer by trade who has spent nearly his entire career to date working overseas. At age 21 he was sent to Dalian in northern China for a year by his employer to work on a floating production platform. We Will then move to a further 7 different countries in Asia and West Africa working on the design, construction and offshore installation of oil & gas facilities. During this time Will went back to University in Shanghai, and learnt to speak, read and write Mandarin.
Nearly 20 years later he started Mafic, a construction tech company that has created an alternative payment mechanism that allows tradespeople to get paid a bonus if they graft.It works by recognising the activity someone is doingfrom the movement of their head alone. The system can detect very subtle changes in productivity and schedule and hence in aggregation can be used to understand exactly how a construction site is performing and where the biggest opportunities in productivity and health and safety lie. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Productivity is simply the cost per unit of work done. This allows companies to look at the bottom line and allows meaningful comparisons between methods of working
Efficiency doesn’t focus on individual outputs but is more linked to wastage
Effectiveness is based on the objective you are trying to achieve e.g. profit or net zero targets
Productivity means looking at problems with fresh eyes and trying a different approach
There are many ways in which projects should look to define success outside of the traditional iron triangle (time, cost, quality). This could be in the form of environmental benefits, upskilling local economies, social responsibility
There is a huge value in having a diversity of thought and experience in project teams to drive productivity
People generally work at the same rate but the more productive people have less “wastage” when working
The data from the Mafic hardhat technology shows workers are primarily motivated by money
If you measure the productivity of a team of workers, there will always be a hierarchy of performance. Getting rid of the lowest performer(s) doesn’t correlate to greater efficiency whereas motivational techniques will have a direct influence
Companies should not seek to offer overtime during the week as a productivity initiative as the productivity level will be around 60%, companies should aim for weekends.
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:
· Mafic Progress Data - https://mafic.ltd/time-on-tools/Join us next week when we speak to Rita Arrigo to discuss AI in Infrastructure and how it is going to change our cities.
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 17min
S6E143: Culture, Whisky & Whine with Colin D Ellis
In this episode, we welcome Colin D Ellis in a special episode titled Culture, Whisky and Whine!
Colin D Ellis is an award-winning international speaker, four-time best-selling author and much sought after workplace culture and project management expert who works with organisations around the world to help them transform the way they get things done. He is originally from Liverpool in the UK, but now lives with his family in Melbourne, Australia. You can find out more about Colin at www.colindellis.com
Colin shares his thoughts on where organisations get it wrong (& right) when it comes to setting culture and also what individuals can do. He talks about how to be courageous and how we need more "windfarms" instead of "oil tankers".
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Nov 6, 2022 • 1h 20min
S6E142: Alliance Contracting and Critical Chain Synergies with Ian Heptinstall
In this episode Dale and Val discuss with Ian Heptinstall the Alliance contract model and or why it can be used more successfully with a provision of openness, collaboration and behaviours across all sides. In addition we discussed the value of the Critical Chain Method and how Theory of Constraints among other methods enable a more successful project plan.
Ian Heptinstall is Associate Professor of Project Management at the University of Birmingham in the UK, and lead tutor on the MSc in Industrial Project Management, whose students are working project managers studying part-time by distance learning.
Before moving to academia in 2019, he spent 35-years in project management, procurement, and supply chain management roles.
He has managed projects in the process industry as both project owner and a supplier. He was Supply Chain Director for a construction company in the UK, and after that he spent seven years working all over the world as a supply chain & procurement coach and trainer.
Ian's interest is in capital and construction projects, with a particular passion for systems thinking and collaborative procurement.
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Oct 31, 2022 • 1h 4min
S6E141: The Story Catchers - Capturing & Analysing stories with Susan Rooney-Harding
In this episode, Val caught up with a passionate and dedicated storyteller. The value of stories on projects is immense. As data and technology service the digital position, we still require the breadth, depth and understanding of storytellers, managers and people on the ground to explain and narrate the changes and forces that deliver projects that matter.
Susan is a documentary filmmaker and a creative qualitative data specialist. Her inquisitive and intuitive nature is central to her ability to capture meaningful stories for a greater purpose.
Susan is the founder of The Story Catchers - Stories for Purpose.
Together with Nerissa Walton Story Cathers Evaluation Specialist, we co-created a methodology that uses film and community participatory approaches in monitoring, evaluation, and social impact measurement.
Film presents evidence in a way that a written story cannot do. Our methodology supports communities to tell and share their stories. This helps to eliminate situations where project staff tell their versions on behalf of communities. Numbers aren’t enough to fully understand community conditions of well-being, or quantitatively assess certain aspects of well-being. For example, in measuring human emotion and perception; we need stories to do this!
Our methodology enhances the individual and collective voice, including the silent and unheard voices that are often sidelined. The methodology empowers communities to actively co-create and evaluate their own projects and programs. We have been using our methodology for close to a decade and we have refined our processes. We know it is an effective tool in the evaluation and reporting process.
Using our methodology for evaluation and impact measurement can help create positive systemic, sustainable change in the organisation and communities that we work with.
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Oct 27, 2022 • 1h 25min
S6E140: SPECIAL EDITION - EVA27 - Project Performance in Turbulent Times curated by Steve Wake
In this episode, Dale is joined by Marco Frisenda and Jo Lucas as guest hosts to speak with Steve Wake and some of the presenters from EVA27 about Project Performance in Turbulent Times!
You'll hear from..
Steve Elliot, Experienced consultant and expert adviser in the field of project controls within complex infrastructure programmes and projects;
Tony Welch, VP Bids And Programmes Thales;
Mark Wild, former CEO Crossrail;
Georgie Alderson-Slater, Director GeoVic Ltd;
Ajay Patel, Head of Risk TfL;
Charlotte Candy, Director of Risk AECOM;
...who provide a wide-ranging collection of thought-leadership in everything from leadership, lessons learned, gamification of risk, training project controls professionals, the future of projects and much much more!
EVA is an intimate conference which takes place at the Armourers Hall in London. Nestled in the heart of London the Armourers' Hall is the home of The Armourers & Brasiers' Company. The Company was founded in 1322 as the guild overseeing the production of armour. It now exists primarily for charitable purposes.
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Oct 23, 2022 • 1h 7min
S6E139: The Post-Pandemic Job Market in Projects with Chirag Shah
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Chirag Shah to discuss the post-pandemic Project Controls job market.Chirag is a passionate Project Controls Recruitment Expert. His mission is to deliver clients the best quality Project Controls and PMO professionals, who are trusted to bring projects in on time and within budget.Chirag does this by digging that little bit deeper, to understand the client's story and what they are trying to achieve. He has more than 17 year's recruitment experience, having built an extensive network and is a trusted advisor.Most recently, Chirag has been moving the project community forward through LinkedIn and by bringing people together through networking events. He is the London Ambassador for the Project Connect Group and is promoting other leading industry events such as Project Controls Expo
and Project Controls Summit.Outside of work, Chirag is a dedicated father to an 8-year-old and 1 year old. The pandemic helped Chirag focus on changing from a fixed to a growth mindset or so he likes to think.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Many youngsters are choosing to move abroad to take advantage of major infrastructure investment in Australia and the Middle East
The shift towards hybrid working has made it harder for early careers staff to gain softer skills such as resilience, influencing and networking
The UK Project Controls job market is buoyant. People should not worry about whether they can leave a “safe job”
There has been a greater diversity of experience in the project controls market
Don’t be a “quiet quitter” – be passionate about what you’re doing!
Recruiters try to look for examples of resilience in candidates based on the type of experience during their career
Many recruiters advocate references and testimonials into CV’s to stand out from the crowd
UK Project Controls salaries have increased by c.10-15% since the start of the pandemic
Join us next week when we speak to Susan Rooney-Harding to discuss the inability to evaluate complex and multiple truths as one of the greatest threats
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Oct 16, 2022 • 1h 13min
S6E138: Managing the inhibitors to effective Project Controls with Dr Yakubu Olawale
In this episode Dale and Val speak to Dr Yakubu about his research and book on the subject of inhibitors and enablers. This is a thought-provoking show, breaking down the various elements and factors that contribute to project failure and success. This episode is not one to be missed.
Dr Yakubu Olawale is an Associate Director at KPMG UK Major Projects Advisory, where he consults, advises clients, provides assurance for boards, government, and leaders of organizations in relation to their capital projects, programmes, and infrastructure investments.
He is also involved with due diligence reviews for organisations pursuing acquisition of project centric organisations as well as for lenders and banks in relation to their exposure to the capital projects of their corporate debtors.
He is also a board member at Pioneer Group and possesses more than 20 years of experience across many sectors including involvement with many strategically important projects in the UK. He has held senior positions at FTSE 100 and 250 companies in the UK and was also a lecturer in project and commercial management at Aston university, UK. He is multi-qualified as a Project Manager, Chartered Accountant, Chartered Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors, Chartered Construction Manager, and a Fellow of the Higher Education Academy.
He is passionate about project control and his research works have also been published in leading academic journals including International Journal of Project Management, Journal of Management in Engineering and international Journal of Project Organisation and Management.
He is the author of Project Control Methods and Best Practices: Achieving Project Success.
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Oct 10, 2022 • 1h 2min
S6E137: Is Quantity Surveying a Dying profession? & Alliance Contracts with Brendan Robinson
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Brendan Robinson to discuss whether Quantity Surveying is a dying profession. We also discussed Alliance Contracts.Brendan is a Chartered Quantity Surveyor and Experienced Commercial Construction Professional. Brendan has worked for both Client and Main Contractor organisations for around 20 years. He recently joined a Construction Consultancy and specialises in Post Contract but has also had some experience in the Pre-Contract Stages of Construction Contracts. He has generally focused on Infrastructure Projects and specifically rail related projects over the last 15 years.He studied in and is originally from Cape Town, South Africa. He is a graduate of the Construction Law and Dispute Resolution Masters Programme at Kings College and a Fellow of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors.He supports and works with tertiary education providers, most recently Universities, mentoring across Quantity Surveying and Contract Law courses and apprenticeships. He is passionate about Quantity Surveying and feels privileged to have supported and sponsored the Quantity Surveying Apprenticeship at Transport for London for around 5 years - 5 Cohorts and around 72 Apprentices on the programme. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Quantity Surveyors are primarily focused on the cost and contractual side of contracts projects
NEC has the most well known form of Alliance Contract. It is a relatively modern concept where all parties have a shared goal. It seeks to align goals between partners
An Alliance contract generally sets out how to behave with other parties during the set-up phase
The main changes over the last 20 years are around technological improvements in communication between clients / contractors
The level of record keeping has also improved in the last decade due to technology. Turnstiles and gates allow projects the monitor the volume of staff on site. This has led to it being a more paperwork heavy role
Microsoft Excel is a helpful tool for QS’ but it is not essential. You cannot negotiate a variation on Excel!
Delay damages are rarely successful on construction projects despite the effort in pursuing them
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Oct 2, 2022 • 1h 24min
S6E136: Why Leadership is an Important Skill for Project Controls with Georgie Alderson-Slater & Vikki Rooney
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Georgie Alderson-Slater and Vikki Rooney to discuss why Project Controllers struggle to lead. Georgie is a Director for GeoVic Limited, a project controls training and development company that centers on PMO Transformation. She has 20 years of experience in Project Controls, Contract Management, Relationship Building & Management, and Effecting Change. Her background is in Oil and Gas, Defence & Nuclear. Vikki is a Project Controls professional with more than 15 years of experience in Planning and Project Controls. Vikki is passionate about Project Controls as a profession and firmly advocates professionalism and a pride in the work that we do to support successful project delivery.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
The definition of project controls ultimately depends on the organization in which it is being used
Integrity is the most important skill set for someone working in project controls
Aim to challenge your stakeholders but in a personable manner – even in job interviews
When looking for leaders, try to identify if people are “paying it forward” and sharing knowledge with team members
You will gain followers over time as a leader, however, you should always start by being empathetic
Do we focus more on leadership than “followership”?
Early careers staff should try to focus on the detail and take advantage of their role by asking lots of questions
Take charge of your personal development – apply the learning
On-the-job learning is the best way to enhance both soft and technical teams
Organisational culture comes from the top of the business. You can’t expect it to change from the middle downwards
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Sep 27, 2022 • 1h 16min
S6E135: Embodied Carbon and Transformation with James Bowles and Jo Lucas
In this episode, Dale and Val talk to James and Jo about Zero and the embodied carbon movement to reduce the negative carbon impact the construction industry is having on the current and future climate. The ZERO mission is to create a new construction industry culture, that continuously measures and manages carbon through all project stages. It is critical that as an industry we unite and work together to solve our planet’s greatest problems and make sustainability of equal importance as cost, time and safety on every project.
James has a mix of experience in engineering, construction and project delivery. He founded Freeform, a 4D modelling consultancy in 2010 and now runs "ZERO" a fast-growing carbon-focussed industry group.James has a mix of experience in engineering, construction and project delivery. He founded Freeform, a 4D modelling consultancy in 2010 and now runs "ZERO" a fast-growing carbon-focussed industry group.
Jo has over 20 years of experience in delivering change within and between large and complex organisations, including TfL, HS2 Ltd., UCL, BAA, ODA and Network Rail. She started her career as a civil/structural engineer with Arup building bridges and likes to see the work she now does as building bridges of a different kind; those between teams and organisations.
You can find more information here: https://www.zeroconstruct.com/
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