
The Project Chatter Podcast
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
Latest episodes

Aug 21, 2022 • 1h 6min
S6E131: Ninja Moves on Projects with Dr Tammy Watchorn
In this episode Dale and Val talk with Dr Tammy Watchorn about change management approaches in Tammy's Ninja Moves book release this week https://www.amazon.com/Change-Ninja-Handbook-interactive-adventure/dp/1788603702
Dr Tammy Watchorn trained as a scientist before moving into the complex landscape of healthcare to lead change.
After some slow starts she began to realise that her hard-won accreditation in the process of change leadership was meaningless: the only way to achieve success was to focus on people. By understanding those involved in change as individuals, not ‘stakeholders’, she developed a pragmatic way of making progress by stealth using ‘ninja’ moves. Her own neuro-atypical approach allows her to see things differently, to look at the whole rather than the parts, and to help others to see things differently too. There’s no accreditation or one-size-fits-all process for Change Ninjas but there is now, at least, a handbook.
Tammy shares her stories and her approach to leading change widely on social media and in national media and industry publications. She’s also a regular keynote speaker at conferences.
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Aug 14, 2022 • 1h 5min
S6E130: Digital Engineering in Construction, Why It Matters with Mathilde Roubille
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Mathilde Roubille to talk about Digital Engineering in Construction.
Mathilde is a consultant with strong experience in embedding digital engineering (including BIM and Information Management) in large infrastructure projects. Coming from a structural engineering background, she leverages her technical experience on major projects (Riyadh Metro and Doha Metro in the Middle East) to enable a deep understanding of program and project delivery in complex environments.
She is enthusiastic about making better use of data and information available at program and project levels to deliver better outcomes to the client and enable reliable data-driven decision making.
Don't get her started on BIM, Information Management or Digital Engineering otherwise she might never stop talking! The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
There is no standard definition of digital engineering. Essentially it is trying to leverage information, data and technology to enable better decision making
Digital engineers should ideally be linked to PMO or Project Controls in an organisation structure. This allows for better synergies
There is not currently a degree / major in digital engineering
It is important to understand the concepts of ISO19650 when implementing digital engineering
There are close links with change management. This requires a focus on soft skills to help to enable transitions
Digital engineering should be a team rather than an individual skillset
Many projects are reluctant to implement digital engineering capability due to time constraints
The main industry trends are around digital twin, smart cities and sustainability.
In order to be successful, there needs to be a greater focus on benefit realization and sustainability – consider the whole project lifecycle
There are professional qualifications for BIM which is helping to professionalise the industry
Visualisation and interactivity of data and information are key to the future success of digital engineering on major projects
Many surveying companies are reluctant to share information due to fear of losing commercial advantage. This has led to inefficiencies when re-surveys are required
The best way to get into digital engineering is to focus on streamlining existing processes on projects
Here are links to a some of the topics we discussed:
ISO19650 BIM - https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/iso-19650-BIM/
BIM Community of Practice - https://bim.ie/about/our-board-members/
B1M - https://www.theb1m.com/
Tune in next time when we’re joined by Tammy Watchorn to discuss ninja moves on projects.For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
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Aug 9, 2022 • 1h 16min
S6E129: Takt Planning on Construction Projects with Spencer Easton
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Spencer Easton to discuss Takt Planning on Construction Projects.Spencer has been in the construction industry for 18 years. He is the Co-Founder / Trainer for LeanTakt and a Project Director at Elevate Construction. He co-authored the book Takt Planning and Integrated Control. He worked in the trades for the first decade of his career while attending night classing to achieve his Bachelors degree in Construction Management.He holds certifications from PMI-SP, AACE-PSP, AGC CM-Lean, Acumen Fuse and Risk Analysis certified. He has mentored, coached, managed and trained thousands of individuals lean principles and tools and loves to share concepts that make a difference in a happier work environment and work life balance.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Takt Planning comes from Lean Manufacturing.
60% of all construction projects in Germany use Takt Planning
There is a huge reluctance in the construction industry to use Takt Planning because “that’s the way we’ve always done it!”
By using production laws, it aims to align teams by utilising more areas in the construction plan
In Takt Plans rows usually represent work locations / zones. This helps to visualise the “logistical flow” of the planned works
Here are links to a some of the topics we discussed:
Takt Time Formula – Taking Takt to the Next Level - https://theleanbuilder.com/takt-time-formula-taking-takt-to-the-next-level/
Tune in next time when we’re joined by Mathilde Roubille to talk about Digital Engineering in Construction.For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
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Jul 31, 2022 • 1h 13min
S6E128: Creating Value from Adapting Agility to Project Management with Adrian Pyne
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Adrian Pyne to discuss what project agility really looks like. Adrian is above all a project professional. He has led or rescued Transformation programmes widely from Telcos to eCommerce, Finance. Mining, Aviation, and the public sector. He has designed, built and operated P3 (project, programme and portfolio management) capability, PMOs, and Professional Services businesses. His key skill is the adaptation of best practice successfully. In the last 10 years his consultancy has focussed on two areas. Firstly, what he and colleagues call Organisational Project Management – the creation of an organisation culture that enables projects to Thrive and not merely Survive, or even die. Secondly, on Agile Project Management which too many organisations get badly, and expensively, wrong. He has written Agile Beyond IT, a book on Agile Project Management, showing how it both can be used well beyond the realm of IT Agile software development projects.. Adrian says he will also show that Agile projects can have any life-cycle they need. Adrian remains a frequent speaker around APM and elsewhere, including internationally, and is a visiting lecturer at Nottingham and Southampton University Business Schools, He is also a regular blogger, and he says, is still learning. Adrian is semi-retired and lives with his partner in Dorset. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows: Agile or Agility comes from the Agile Manifesto 2001 (4 values). It was always intended to be used for Software Development Great project professionals are agile! We “do” projects to deliver value. Agile is focused on the delivery of value In the late 90s / early 2000s saw a realization that people deliver projects. If they are not engaged and focused, the project is likely to fail There is no point implementing agile projects if the organizational culture is toxic A hybrid approach between Agile and Critical Path methodologies is often challenging. When you adapt agility to Project Management, it is adapted to everything including planning / scheduling. This needs to keep pace in order for it to work Scrum is a purely software development approach – it is NOT a project management approach Some of the major agile certifications are heavily focused towards IT projects. This needs to be broadened to make it more relevant Agile projects should aim to make an audit trail of the value within a project For every project change request – does it enhance the value? Organisations that do not adopt agility are more likely to be commercial risk Here are links to a some of the topics we discussed: Agile Beyond IT: How to Develop Agility in Project Management in any Sector –
Adrian Pyne https://www.amazon.co.uk/Agile-Beyond-develop-agility-management/dp/1788603273 Manifesto for Agile Software Development - https://agilemanifesto.org/ Jo Lucas – Activating the Mycelium - https://sustainabilitypractitioners.org/rpm-ego-to-eco-in-conversation-with-jo-lucas/ Forbes: How to Succeed in a Project Economy - https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccazucker/2022/01/11/how-to-succeed-in-a-project-economy/?sh=668b222a28d9 Agile Beyond IT Newsletter - https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/agile-beyond-it-6922580439241007104/ Tune in next time when we’re joined by Spencer Easton to talk about Takt production vs Takt time.
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website. You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast. Proudly sponsored by: JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/ PlanAcademy - https://www.planacademy.com/chatter/ ($75 off any course) InEight - https://ineight.com/ Prosci - https://empower.prosci.com/project-ch... (FREE resource kit) Stay safe, be disruptive and have fun doing it!

Jul 24, 2022 • 1h 8min
S6E127: The Future of Planning with Ed Van Der Tak
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Ed Van Der Tak to discuss the future of Project Planning and Technology trends. With over 30 years of experience in planning and scheduling, Ed has worked in various positions and areas within Project Planning & Management. He lives and works in The Netherlands but has also worked and trained in the Middle East.In the early 1990s Ed started his career as a planning engineer in major turn-around projects. Between 2000 and 2009, Ed was co-owner of a Dutch consultancy and training company. In 2011 he founded the Dutch Planning and Scheduling institute to promote the profession and develop new skills and techniques.Ed currently works as a planning manager on a €1bn infrastructure programme in The Netherlands and is a lecturer at the University of Applied Science in Rotterdam.Ed has always been interested in new techniques and future ways of working. He follows trends in technology and automation to start to use these techniques and change our mindset.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
A good planner needs to be a good storyteller
A planner should approach the from different angles e.g. cost impact or risk impact
Many infrastructure companies are already collecting data to enable machine learning on projects
The rise in the use of AI on project may lead to the role of a project planner becoming more generic and turning into an analyst type role
Will AI create or prevent creativity?
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Jul 10, 2022 • 1h 13min
S6E126: Project Hack15: An Approach to effective Risk Management with Russell Willis & Johnny Hepworth
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Russell Willis and Johnny Hepworth to discuss their project from Project Hack 15 – How good is my team at Risk Management?Russell is an infinite Learner with 20+ years of experience in Project Controls, PMO, Data Analytics and Business Intelligence. He now specialises in the catalisation of all these fields into a holistically cohesive and coherent source for dynamic data driven insight and business optimisation.Johnny’s academic background is material chemistry for renewable energy and environment. He works for Brook Green Supply which operates in the L&C space and excited for the prospects of industry 4.0.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
The Johnny & the Beards project team were formed at Project Hack 15 – see links below for more information
Project Hack ensured that project challenge teams had a diverse range of backgrounds in order to make it effective
People become data aware, then informed, then gradually literate
Data is powerful, though people should be vigilant on cookies that track internet movements
If you’re not sure where to start with data just give it a try!
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:
Project Hack 15 - https://www.projectdataanalytics.co.uk/projecthack/
Project Hack 15 – Johnny & The Beards Team Presentation - https://youtu.be/RppbJJsOSgU
Project Data Analytics Apprenticeship - https://projectingsuccess.co.uk/project-data-analytics-apprenticeship/
Brier Score - measures the accuracy of probabilistic predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brier_score
Tune in next time when we’re re-joined by Adrian Pyne to discuss Creating value from adapting agility to project management.For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Jul 5, 2022 • 1h 2min
S5E125: Social Value and Key Project ROI Criteria with Dr Alexia Nalewaik
In this episode Dale and Val talk with Dr Alexia Nalewaik about expanding our social and climate responsibility beyond financial incentives. Noting the influence of projects on local infrastructure, business and environments, in some cases creating thriving communities. Have we moved into social measures for projects? What's holding us back? Are we ready to introduce other ROI measures? Dr Alexia talks with us to discuss some of the exciting work she is involved in and how this may shape projects in the future.
Dr. Alexia Nalewaik FRICS CCP CCA has over 25 years of internationally recognised experience in audit, systemic risk, project analytics, governance, and cost estimating.
She holds degrees in physics, civil engineering, and project management. Her focus on risk, stakeholders, transparency, and assurance continue to prove valuable to major clients in utilities, transportation, infrastructure, scientific facilities, petrochemical, pharmaceutical, and manufacturing.
She is a professorial lecturer at American University, and the host of #PMChat weekly. Dr. Alexia has written two books on project-related topics (“Project Cost Recording and Reporting” and “Project Performance Review”), and published over 100 research papers and technical guidance. She is a Fellow of RICS Americas, AACE International, the Guild of Project Controls, and ICEC; she is a Past President of AACE International, and a Past Chair of ICEC. For more information, see ResearchGate and www.pellucidprojects.com.
We also say thank you, as we complete our fifth season of the Project Chatter Podcast. Thank you to all our guests for their value and insight into several topics of interest. You've helped us pay it forward.
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Jun 26, 2022 • 1h 10min
S5E124: Time Location charting for Linear Projects with Santosh Bhat
In this episode, Martin and Val talk to Santosh Bhat in detail about the lesser-known Time-location method and how it can be applied on projects. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Time chainage is a form of presenting activities from a project schedule. It differs from a Gantt chart by the addition of a second dimension i.e. location. It allows you to plot where activities are occurring
Time is shown on the vertical axis which can often confuse people! Location is presented on the horizontal axis. It uses start / end dates and location information that already exists in planning software
Time chainage charts are not a new concept. It first originated in the 1800s! The Empire State Building was built using a version of this
After educating Project Managers about how to use a time chainage chart, it enabled better conversations around the schedules and stakeholders became more engaged as a result
It doesn’t require any specific training to operate, it relies on the programme being fully logic linked
The colours on the chart tend to represent project disciplines. It allows discussion on production rate estimates by visualizing activities into shapes
Baselines can be assigned
4D is a snapshot of a schedule at a point in time. Time location charts is more appropriate for live scheduling. Both visualization tools are complementary rather than competing
The software is particularly useful for what-if scenarios and visualizing the impact of changes
Time location charts are not directly linked to time risk allowance in Primavera, it can be used to visualize risk analysis outputs
People have the impression time location charts are too complex to implement and too difficult to explain to stakeholders which has prevented major projects from implementing it
Tune in next time when we’re re-joined by Dr Alexia Nalewaik to talk social value as a key project ROI criteria.For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
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Jun 13, 2022 • 1h 31min
S5E123: The Philosophy of Project Management: 2nd Innings with Paul Goodge & Warren Beardall
In this week’s pod, we were re-joined by Paul Goodge and Warren for the second innings of the philosophy of Project Management. Paul is internationally regarded as a Programme Management and Change Management specialist. He is noted for his ability to swiftly and accurately diagnose issues and evolve solutions both from a technical and a behavioural point of view.Over his career he held a variety of roles both in line leadership and a number of functional responsibilities, providing him with insights across the whole of the enterprise. He has chaired or sat on a wide variety of internal and external committees and steering groups. An ex-Board member of the Association of Project Management he has continued to work very closely with the organisation and was in the first cohort to achieve Chartered Project Professional status. He is an avid long-distance walker, and worldwide traveller, and greatly enjoys music, reading, sport, fine food and wine in his spare time. He has recently commenced studying for a PhD. He lives in Wiltshire. Warren has 25 years of experience within the construction-related insurance industry. Three years ago Warren made a decision to reset his career. He joined a consulting practice offering specialist risk, internal control and assurance advice to large-scale construction and professional service providers. He also opted to return to university and read a mid-career MSc in Project Management, Finance, and Risk. Graduating with distinction in late 2020, and invigorated to bring a fresh challenge to the long-standing project paradox that plagues our industry. The interim conclusion of this ongoing research is that Partnerships were never truly there. And that this is deemed no different in our wider construction endeavour. The suggested answer to the paradox is that projects are either set up to collaborate, or they are set up to fail. That is what he is here to discuss...The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:· Time-bound intended change (TIC) can be used as a definition of a project in order to challenge the existing definitions that usually encompass time/cost/quality· Association for Project Management (APM) / Project Management Institute (PMI) have a role to play in leading the discussion around challenging the existing thinking around projects· Organisations such as the Infrastructure and Projects Authority should be leading and challenging lessons learnt on major projects. Are the right people in the room?· How do we understand what knowledge is?· There is clear evidence that if there is enough leadership interest in personal agendas, it creates a long-term issue for the people who have to work under the leader· Clarity of vision and priority is key for a leader to be successful over a period of time· Information exchange is now immediate due to technology. This makes it more difficult to· Tragedy of the Commons (link below) is the perfect example of whether we will be successful from a sustainable standpoint in the 2020sHere are links to some of the topics we discussed:· Jo Lucas - Human-machine interoperability: What can we learn from the invention of the washing machine? - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/human-machine-interoperability-what-can-we-learn-from-jo-lucas/· Karl Jaspers – The Origin and Goal of History https://www.amazon.co.uk/Origin-Goal-History-Routledge-Revivals/dp/0415578809· Projects Within Projects Blog

Jun 5, 2022 • 1h 16min
S5E122: Data Design & behavioural Intelligence for Social Purpose and ESG with Kate McAlpine
In this episode Val and our special host guest Jo Lucas, go down the rabbit hole with Kate on many subjects related to her studies and fantastic work to help communities through informal networks and leveraging technology. Kate talks about people 'doing the right thing' after her thesis and book and how technology and qualitative community data is helping to change policy and inform us more deeply about changes, concerns and feedback.
Kate has 25 years as a social entrepreneur in East Africa and the UK. Her multidisciplinary approach to strategy and scholarship is informed by her PhD in human and organisational systems and her theory of ‘Doing the Right Thing’ - how people resolve the dilemma of being responsible citizens in uncertain times. Her research and consultancy practice builds a critical mass of child protectors in East Africa, and uses mobile technology to learn from them how to resolve violence against women and children. Kate has an extensive professional network across corporate, government and civil society settings in the UK and East Africa who draw on her expertise as a strategist, researcher, advocate, coach and facilitator.
If you would like to help, work with or support Kate she can be reached here.
www.drkatemcalpine.co.uk
www.citizens4change.net
www.connectgo.co.uk
@katemcalpine
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