
The Project Chatter Podcast
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
Latest episodes

Dec 30, 2022 • 1h 12min
S6E150: Project Controls in Design & Engineering stages with Paul Waskett
In this week’s pod, we were joined by Paul Waskett to discuss Project Controls in design and engineering stages.
Paul is a Director of Adept Management where he takes responsibility for the development of their Project Controls tools and services, as well as supporting clients and projects across the construction industry. Since 2014, Paul has been supporting two major rail projects.
He is a Mechanical Engineer by background and has over 20 years’ experience in Design Management and Project Controls. In addition, Paul has spent time working in central government, where he managed a construction innovation budget, and as a researcher where he developed some of Adept Management's innovative approaches to design planning and management.
The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
There is generally more scrutiny on the construction part of a design and build contract however both need equal attention in order to manage projects effectively
Design planning is not as linear as other types of programmes. There are generally more interdependencies and iterations of designs
Build a WBS and identify relevant activities and inputs before starting the planning process
As the project is delivered, the Last Planner System can be used to monitor progress
Using % complete to measure design progress can be difficult to implement consistently
Working from home has made it more difficult to promote communication and problem solving in major projects as the relevant stakeholders are not collaborating as often as they would in an office based environment
Earned Value Management only works when rules of credit are in place and all stakeholders are aware of the limitations of it being the sole measure of progress
Digital twin can help engineers to assess the effect of what may seem like a small scale change on a design
It is prudent to have a sole interface between engineering and project management in order to deliver a consistent message
One of the key challenges for Engineering Managers is to get the “commitment” from the engineering team(s) to deliver to a specified date or budget
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:
The Latham Report – Constructing The Team: https://constructingexcellence.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Constructing-the-team-The-Latham-Report.pdf
Adept Management: https://www.adeptmanagement.com/
Last Planner System: https://leanconstructionblog.com/What-is-the-Last-Planner-System.html
Join us next week when we speak to Tony Welch to discuss five levers for change.
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/
Stay safe, be disruptive and have fun doing it!
#ProjectManagement #Engineering #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture

Dec 27, 2022 • 1h 25min
S6E149: Five Levers for Change with Tony Welch
In this week’s pod, we were joined by Tony Welch to discuss the five levers for change.
Following a career in the Royal Navy, Tony has had a wide and varied career in industry, rooted in project controls, assurance and programme management. He has operated at the senior executive level and has a track record of business/programme turnarounds, transformational change and performance improvement. Military and civilian careers have provided business, profit and loss and programme management experience in defence and aerospace, information technology/systems and transportation.
The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Five Levers for change
Lever 1: Anticipation and continuity
Lever 2: Empowering to deliver
Lever 3: Supporting teams
Lever 4: Transversal learning
Lever 5: Attracting and recognising
Businesses are more open to changing their ways of working following the pandemic. People are also working more flexibly which is enabling internal mobility within organisations
Anticipating learning and development needs is difficult when trying to implement training across a multi-national organization. It is important to work with Project Management associations and assess competencies across an industry benchmark
Peer reviews of projects from a technical and project management perspective should take place throughout the project life-cycle as opposed to only being performed when a project is in difficulty
Operational leadership is about creating an environment that is challenging but supportive
Task, team, organization – people work for people not organisations
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.
You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/
Stay safe, be disruptive and have fun doing it!
#ProjectManagement #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture #ProjectCertifications

Dec 19, 2022 • 59min
S6E148: We're rubbish at promoting the Project profession with Paul Goodge
In this week’s pod, we welcomed back Paul Goodge to discuss why we’re bad at promoting the industry.
Paul is internationally regarded as a Programme Management and Change Management specialist. He is noted for his ability to swiftly and accurately diagnose issues and evolve solutions both from a technical and a behavioural point of view. In all of his most senior roles he successfully implemented Capability Improvement Plans that received significant praise both internally and with the customer base.
Over his career he held a variety of roles both in line leadership and a number of functional responsibilities, providing him with insights across the whole of the enterprise. He has Chaired or sat on a wide variety of internal and external committees and steering groups. An ex-Board member of the Association of Project Management he has continued to work very closely with the organisation and was in the first cohort to achieve Chartered Project Professional status. He achieved an MBA from Cranfield University in 1994.
Paul retired from full-time employment in 2012 and enjoys a wide range of interests. His portfolio encompasses consultancy work to various companies, the P3M profession, Executive Coaching and extensive work with various charities, operating locally, nationally and internationally. He is an avid long-distance walker, world-wide traveller, and greatly enjoys music, reading, sport, fine food and wine in his spare time. He has recently commenced studying for a PhD.
The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Whilst there isn’t much quantitative data on the subject, most Project Management professionals would agree that we are not great at promoting the industry
There are not many case studies that people can refer to that show the benefit of project management
Whose responsibility is it to promote the industry? Everyone’s!
The associations also have a role to play in sharing knowledge within the industry as well as promoting it
Not enough is currently done in terms of outreach programmes to attract graduates and students into the profession. STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics) have done this successfully in the UK
Failure to entice a diverse range of candidates into the profession will cause issues in years to come
Gamification and simulation of projects could be a way of promoting the benefits of project management to schoolchildren
Groups such as Project Connect Group are helping to promote networking within the industry. The associations also have a role to play in this
We are all ambassadors for the industry – be proud!
Join us next week when we speak to Paul Waskett to discuss Project Controls in design and engineering stages
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.
You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/
Stay safe, be disruptive and have fun doing it!
#ProjectManagement #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture #ProjectCertifications

Dec 13, 2022 • 1h 19min
S6E147: Common mistakes that cause avoidable delays and cost over-runs with Dr Alan Barnard
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Dr Alan Barnard to discuss the theory of constraints & decision-making. Dr. Alan Barnard is an entrepreneur, philanthropist, strategy advisor, research scientist, app developer, author, coach, lecturer, podcaster, and lifelong learner. Alan is considered one of the world’s leading Decision Scientists and Theory of Constraints experts. Alan is the CEO of Goldratt Research Labs, which he co-founded in 2009 with Dr. Eli Goldratt, author of THE GOAL, creator of Theory of Constraints and Critical Chain Project Management. Dr. Alan's research focuses on understanding why good people make, and often repeat bad decisions, and how best to avoid these. From this research, Alan and his team at Goldratt Research Labs have developed a range of award-winning Decision Support Apps that help organizations and individuals make better faster decisions when it really matters. Their clients include Fortune 500 companies, Government Agencies, and people from over 70 countries that are using their apps to make difficult life and business decisions. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows: There is a massive amount of invisible simplicity on major projects How do you decide on a goal if you do not know what resources will limit you reaching that goal? Many people become successful due to factors outside their control such as luck and good genes, however almost all successful people make good decision and are hard working, which is in their control To create a stable system, have a single constraint that doesn’t move Projects are always looking for the inherent but invisible simplicity. Critical path methodology enabled projects to simplify how they represent project delivery, however this usually ignores resource and capacity constraints Many people are better at estimating work durations in big chunks rather than at a lower level / individual task based detail Hard to quantify capacity, availability and capability of resources in a project plan. The easiest thing to track is whether a project is waiting for resource The main planning mistake is to ignore capacity when making commitments and launch too many projects at the same time AI is better suited to production environments where there is repetitive information A key skill of a manager is the ability to keep the team “in flow” Here are links to some of the topics we discussed: Flow Theory: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/flow-theory Impossible Unless: https://www.impossibleunless.com/special-copy-registration Project Portfolio Digital Twin: https://www.projectdigitaltwin.com/sale1648625245366 Goldratt Research Labs: www.goldrattresearchlabs.com Harmony Apps: https://harmonyapps.com/ Dr Alan Barnard Website: www.dralanbarnard.com Critical Chain - Eliyahu Goldratt: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Critical-Chain-Business-Eliyahu-Goldratt/dp/0566080389 How to Improve Work Flow in any Environment - keynote by Dr. Alan Barnard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AkrjO55VBQ&feature=youtu.be Join us next week when we speak to Paul Waskett to discuss Project Controls in design and engineering stages For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.com
If you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website. You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.
Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/

Nov 27, 2022 • 1h 15min
S6E146: AI in Infrastructure and how it is going to change our cities with Rita Arrigo
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Rita Arrigo to discuss AI in Infrastructure and how it is going to change our cities.As a natural storyteller excited by the opportunities the tech world brings, Rita can translate complex technical ideas across the ‘IT divide’ to those less tech-minded, an enthusiastic advocate and sought-after speaker for many years on all thing's innovation and digital.The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
AI, Machine Learning and Spatial Computing are moving at a fast pace
Most construction projects are using paper based documents on site despite the prevalence of digital technology
There is not enough diversity in engineering which has led to a lack of challenging the status quo which is stifling disruption
Digital Twin seeks to connect the past and predict the future
AI can be used by governments to help them monitor and achieve COP 26/27 commitments
Maturing of toolsets will give us higher capability and reduce the workload
CEO’s now need to understand the digital technology their company provides rather than simply relying on the technical experts
AI will never replace human interactions
Blockchain help accelerate investment cycles for companies
People always need visualizations – AI will support and enable this
Technology will change the way we collect and store information on projects which will make the traditional “filing” system redundant
We don’t perceive the world, we only see what we perceive
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:
Project Hack 17: https://www.projectdataanalytics.co.uk/projecthack/
Click – BBC Tech show: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n13xtmd5
NeRF Technology: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/25/instant-nerf-research-3d-ai/
Responsible Metaverse Alliance: https://responsiblemetaverse.org/
Quantum Computing: https://www.quantamagazine.org/first-time-crystal-built-using-googles-quantum-computer-20210730/
Checkmate Humanity: https://checkmatehumanity.com/
Atlas of AI: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlas-AI-Kate-Crawford/dp/0300209576
Join us in two weeks when we speak to Dr Alan Barnard to discuss the theory of constraints & decision-makingFor more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/Stay safe, be disruptive and have fun doing it!

Nov 24, 2022 • 1h 16min
S6E145: Why building cycling cities are so important with Chris Bruntlett
In this episode Val and special co-host Joseph Ballouz talk about connecting and shaping cities with bike and placemaking enthusiast Chris Bruntlett.
Chris Bruntlett is Marketing and Communication Manager at the Dutch Cycling Embassy, a public-private partnership that represents the best knowledge, experience, and experts from the Netherlands. As a long-time campaigner in Vancouver, he fell in love with Dutch bike culture in 2016, inspiring him to co-author the book, “Building the Cycling City: The Dutch Blueprint for Urban Vitality”. Chris uses his knowledge and passion to share practical lessons for global cities wishing to follow their footsteps, and become better places to live, work, and—of course—cycle. His latest book is “Curbing Traffic: The Human Case for Fewer Cars in our Lives”.
You can reach out to Chris and the Dutch Cycling Embassy below;
website: http://www.modacitylife.com/
Available books: http://www.modacitylife.com/books
Dutch Cycling Embassy: https://dutchcycling.nl/
Chris Bruntlett's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cbruntlett/
Proudly sponsored by:
InEight.com
JustDo.com

Nov 20, 2022 • 1h 9min
S6E144: Unlocking Productivity from the Hard Hat Movement with Will Woodhead
In this week’s pod, we welcomed Will Woodhead to discuss unlocking productivity from the hardhat movement. Will is an engineer by trade who has spent nearly his entire career to date working overseas. At age 21 he was sent to Dalian in northern China for a year by his employer to work on a floating production platform. We Will then move to a further 7 different countries in Asia and West Africa working on the design, construction and offshore installation of oil & gas facilities. During this time Will went back to University in Shanghai, and learnt to speak, read and write Mandarin.
Nearly 20 years later he started Mafic, a construction tech company that has created an alternative payment mechanism that allows tradespeople to get paid a bonus if they graft.It works by recognising the activity someone is doingfrom the movement of their head alone. The system can detect very subtle changes in productivity and schedule and hence in aggregation can be used to understand exactly how a construction site is performing and where the biggest opportunities in productivity and health and safety lie. The main topics we discussed on the podcast were as follows:
Productivity is simply the cost per unit of work done. This allows companies to look at the bottom line and allows meaningful comparisons between methods of working
Efficiency doesn’t focus on individual outputs but is more linked to wastage
Effectiveness is based on the objective you are trying to achieve e.g. profit or net zero targets
Productivity means looking at problems with fresh eyes and trying a different approach
There are many ways in which projects should look to define success outside of the traditional iron triangle (time, cost, quality). This could be in the form of environmental benefits, upskilling local economies, social responsibility
There is a huge value in having a diversity of thought and experience in project teams to drive productivity
People generally work at the same rate but the more productive people have less “wastage” when working
The data from the Mafic hardhat technology shows workers are primarily motivated by money
If you measure the productivity of a team of workers, there will always be a hierarchy of performance. Getting rid of the lowest performer(s) doesn’t correlate to greater efficiency whereas motivational techniques will have a direct influence
Companies should not seek to offer overtime during the week as a productivity initiative as the productivity level will be around 60%, companies should aim for weekends.
Here are links to some of the topics we discussed:
· Mafic Progress Data - https://mafic.ltd/time-on-tools/Join us next week when we speak to Rita Arrigo to discuss AI in Infrastructure and how it is going to change our cities.
For more information, blogs or to support our charities visit www.projectchatterpodcast.comIf you'd like to sponsor the podcast get in touch via our website.You can also leave us a voice message via our anchor page and let us know if there's something or someone specific that you would like on the podcast.Proudly sponsored by:
JustDo - https://www.justdo.com/
InEight - https://ineight.com/

Nov 10, 2022 • 1h 17min
S6E143: Culture, Whisky & Whine with Colin D Ellis
In this episode, we welcome Colin D Ellis in a special episode titled Culture, Whisky and Whine!
Colin D Ellis is an award-winning international speaker, four-time best-selling author and much sought after workplace culture and project management expert who works with organisations around the world to help them transform the way they get things done. He is originally from Liverpool in the UK, but now lives with his family in Melbourne, Australia. You can find out more about Colin at www.colindellis.com
Colin shares his thoughts on where organisations get it wrong (& right) when it comes to setting culture and also what individuals can do. He talks about how to be courageous and how we need more "windfarms" instead of "oil tankers".
Proudly brought to you by:
InEight.com
JustDo.com
#ProjectManagement #PMO #ProjectControls #Leadership #Culture #ProjectCertifications

Nov 6, 2022 • 1h 20min
S6E142: Alliance Contracting and Critical Chain Synergies with Ian Heptinstall
In this episode Dale and Val discuss with Ian Heptinstall the Alliance contract model and or why it can be used more successfully with a provision of openness, collaboration and behaviours across all sides. In addition we discussed the value of the Critical Chain Method and how Theory of Constraints among other methods enable a more successful project plan.
Ian Heptinstall is Associate Professor of Project Management at the University of Birmingham in the UK, and lead tutor on the MSc in Industrial Project Management, whose students are working project managers studying part-time by distance learning.
Before moving to academia in 2019, he spent 35-years in project management, procurement, and supply chain management roles.
He has managed projects in the process industry as both project owner and a supplier. He was Supply Chain Director for a construction company in the UK, and after that he spent seven years working all over the world as a supply chain & procurement coach and trainer.
Ian's interest is in capital and construction projects, with a particular passion for systems thinking and collaborative procurement.
Podcasts aren't cheap and take a lot of effort, time and money.
Thankfully, we are supported by some great companies
InEight.com
JustDo.com
Support Movember here

Oct 31, 2022 • 1h 4min
S6E141: The Story Catchers - Capturing & Analysing stories with Susan Rooney-Harding
In this episode, Val caught up with a passionate and dedicated storyteller. The value of stories on projects is immense. As data and technology service the digital position, we still require the breadth, depth and understanding of storytellers, managers and people on the ground to explain and narrate the changes and forces that deliver projects that matter.
Susan is a documentary filmmaker and a creative qualitative data specialist. Her inquisitive and intuitive nature is central to her ability to capture meaningful stories for a greater purpose.
Susan is the founder of The Story Catchers - Stories for Purpose.
Together with Nerissa Walton Story Cathers Evaluation Specialist, we co-created a methodology that uses film and community participatory approaches in monitoring, evaluation, and social impact measurement.
Film presents evidence in a way that a written story cannot do. Our methodology supports communities to tell and share their stories. This helps to eliminate situations where project staff tell their versions on behalf of communities. Numbers aren’t enough to fully understand community conditions of well-being, or quantitatively assess certain aspects of well-being. For example, in measuring human emotion and perception; we need stories to do this!
Our methodology enhances the individual and collective voice, including the silent and unheard voices that are often sidelined. The methodology empowers communities to actively co-create and evaluate their own projects and programs. We have been using our methodology for close to a decade and we have refined our processes. We know it is an effective tool in the evaluation and reporting process.
Using our methodology for evaluation and impact measurement can help create positive systemic, sustainable change in the organisation and communities that we work with.
Proudly sponsored by:
InEight.com
JustDo.com