
Perennial Wisdom
Perennial Wisdom (formerly In Search of Wisdom) is a podcast for seekers and curious minds. Join the search with J.W. Bertolotti (creator of the Perennial Meditations newsletter) to discover practical wisdom from philosophical and spiritual traditions. Learn more at perennial.substack.com.
Latest episodes

Jun 1, 2022 • 1h 6min
Shane Trotter | The Wisdom of Standards
In this episode, my guest is Shane Trotter the author of the new book Setting the Bar: Preparing our Kids to Thrive in an Era of Distraction, Dependency, and Entitlement. Shane is a writer, educator, and a Strength and Conditioning Coordinator with a passion for youth development. He has a free weekly newsletter called Stuff They Never Told You that I encourage you to check out at inspiredhumandevelopment.com.
In the conversation, Shane and I discuss:
Discerning our path in life
The importance of setting standards
How to cultivate character
The obstacles to realizing our standards
The wisdom of reading and much more
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May 24, 2022 • 42min
Nate Anderson | How Nietzsche Can Change Your Life
In this episode, my guest is Nate Anderson the author of the new book In Emergency, Break Glass: What Nietzsche Can Teach Us About Joyful Living in a Tech-Saturated World. Nate is the deputy editor at Ars Technica and writes about technology law and policy.
In the conversation, Nate and I discuss:
Why Nietzsche is an important figure today
How Nietzsche can help us move forward in the information age
What we can learn about finding meaning
The wisdom of walking
How to love life in spite of everything
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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May 20, 2022 • 1h 1min
Dr. Kevin Vost | Stoicism and the Spiritual Path
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Kevin Vost the author of more than twenty books. Today we discuss the Porch and the Cross and his new book Memorize the Stoics. Kevin is a clinical psychologist, professor, and speaker. His work covers a wide array of topics from ancient philosophy, theology, and even strength training.
In the conversation, Kevin and I discuss:
Searching for wisdom
The Stoic view of God
Philosophy and forgiveness
Navigating negative emotions
How to memorize ancient lessons
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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May 11, 2022 • 1h 15min
Simon Drew | The Wisdom of Parables
In this episode, my guest is Simon Drew the author of The Poet & The Sage and host of The Walled Garden podcast. Simon is a poet, musician, philosopher, and friend. He’s a repeat guest on the show, I always enjoy connecting with Simon and this conversation was no exception. Today’s episode focuses on the wisdom of parables. A parable is generally defined as a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson.
In the conversation, Simon and I discuss:
Forgiveness and love
How to observe the past without a sense of regret
The role views and beliefs play in shaping our world
How to navigate the inner critic
Searching for wisdom and much more
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May 4, 2022 • 52min
David Robson | The Expectation Effect - How Your Mindset Changes Your World
In this episode, my guest is David Robson the author of the new book The Expectation Effect: How Your Mindset Can Change Your World. David is an award-winning science writer specializing in the extremes of the human brain, body, and behavior. David explores cutting-edge research that reveals the many profound ways that our expectations shape our experience. He brings together fascinating case studies and evidence-based science to uncover new techniques that we can all use to improve our fitness, productivity, health, and happiness.
In the conversation, David and I discuss:
What the expectation effect is and why it matters
The role our views and beliefs play in shaping our world
The difference between the expectation effect and positive thinking
The power of expectations for leaders and educators
The wisdom of being kind to yourself and much more
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Apr 29, 2022 • 1h 4min
Dr. Ron Siegel | The Wisdom of Being Ordinary
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Ron Siegel, the author of the new book The Extraordinary Gift of Being Ordinary. Dr. Siegel is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at Harvard Medical School, where he has taught for over three decades. He is a longtime student of mindfulness meditation and is a faculty and board member at the Institute for Meditation and Psychotherapy.
In the conversation, Ron and I discuss:
The good news of being ordinary
Why we compare ourselves with others
How to think about self-esteem
The role of mindfulness and self-acceptance
How to navigate disappointments
Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Apr 25, 2022 • 43min
Dr. Kelly Flanagan | Love is the Practice
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Kelly Flanagan (a returning guest on the show) and the author of True Companions, Loveable, and a forthcoming novel titled The Unhiding of Elijah Campbell. Kelly is a clinical psychologist by day, a writer by night, a consultant and speaker in my free time, and an ordinary human, husband, father, and friend in the midst of it all. You can learn more about Kelly’s work in the world at drkellyflanagan.com.
In the conversation, Kelly and I discuss:
The importance of loving yourself
The role of self-acceptance
Letting go of control
Both/And thinking
Love and courage
Nietzsche’s concept of Amor Fati and much more
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Apr 21, 2022 • 1h
Andrew Lynn | Classic Wisdom for Modern Life
In this episode, my guest is Andrew Lynn, the author of Classic Spirituality for the Modern Man. Andrew is a lawyer, writer, and author of the ‘Classics for the Modern Man series. His mission as a writer is to draw upon classic texts and traditional wisdom to help us answer some of the most profound questions we face. The Classics for the Modern Man series include Classic Philosophy, Classic Political Philosophy, and Classic Ethics.
In the conversation, Andrew and I discuss:
Finding harmony in the Tao Te Ching
Blaise Pascal and the role of faith
Schopenhauer and the vanity of existence
Nietzsche’s meaning behind the phrase “God is Dead.”
Spiritual Wisdom in daily life and much more
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Apr 13, 2022 • 45min
John Sellars | Stoicism and Epicureanism
In this episode, my guest is John Sellars, the author of the new book The Pocket Epicurean. Professor Sellars is a Reader in Philosophy at Royal Holloway, University of London, a Visiting Research Fellow at King's College London. He is also the author of Lessons in Stoicism, The Art of Living, and many others. In the conversation, John and I discuss:Finding TranquilityThe Wisdom of NatureWhat we actually need to live a good lifeHow the Stoics and Epicureans viewed the role of virtueHow to think about emotionsWisdom in daily life and much moreConnect with John Sellars: johnsellars.org.uk/Follow In Search of Wisdom:Subscribe to our YouTube ChannelTwitter: twitter.com/searchofwisdomInstagram: instagram.com/searchofwisdompodcastSign-up for The PATH, our free newsletter (short reflections on wisdom).Get full access to Perennial Meditations at perennial.substack.com/subscribe

Apr 6, 2022 • 1h 5min
Owen Flanagan | How to Do Things with Emotions
In this episode, my guest is Owen Flanagan, the author of the new book How to Do Things with Emotions. Owen is the James B. Duke Distinguished Professor of Philosophy and professor of psychology and neuroscience at Duke University. Owen is also the author of The Geography of Morals, The Problem of the Soul, and others. In the conversation, Owen and I discuss:Philosophy and emotionsThe study of anger across culturesHow to let go of deeply held emotionsMaking sense of shameWisdom in daily life and much moreConnect with Owen Flanagan: scholars.duke.edu/person/ojfFollow In Search of Wisdom:Subscribe to our YouTube ChannelTwitter: twitter.com/searchofwisdomInstagram: instagram.com/searchofwisdompodcastSign-up for The PATH, our free newsletter (short reflections on wisdom). Get full access to Perennial Meditations at perennial.substack.com/subscribe
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