

The Social-Engineer Podcast
Social-Engineer, LLC
The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks
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Feb 20, 2023 • 36min
Ep. 199 - Security Awareness Series - Bitcoin and SIM Swap with Haseeb Awan
Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by Haseeb Awan. Haseeb is the CEO & Founder of Efani Secure Mobile, a company that works with ultra-high-net-worth individuals on their Mobile Security. Previously, he co-founded one of the largest Bitcoin ATM networks. He has been featured on NYT, TechCrunch, Wall Street Journal, Hulu, and several international media outlets. [Feb 20, 2023] 00:00 - Intro 00:50 - Intro Links: - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Tuxcare – tuxcare.com - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:55 - Haseeb Awan Intro 05:23 - What led you from Bitcoin to Sim Swapping? 10:10 - More Than Financial Loss 12:27 - Protecting Something Out of Your Control 14:06 - It's About More than the Price 16:52 - Security vs Convenience 20:00 - Explaining Without Scaring 24:26 - The Importance of Stories 26:15 - Consider It Insurance 28:38 - Will the TelCos Follow Suit? 31:19 - Tips for a More Secure Company 32:33 - Book Recommendations: - Zero to One – Peter Thiel 34:08 - Find Haseeb Awan Online - Twitter: https://twitter.com/haseeb - Twitter: https://twitter.com/efani - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/efani/ - YouTube: https://youtube.com/@efani 34:52 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Feb 13, 2023 • 47min
Ep. 198 - Human Element Series - Using Compassion And Resiliency To Better Your Life with Dr. Cortney Warren
Today we are joined by Dr. Cortney S. Warren, a board-certified clinical psychologist and former tenured associate professor of psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Dr. Warren is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. With almost 50 peer reviewed journal articles, 7 book chapters, two books, and 75 professional presentations, Dr. Warren’s work appears in some of the field's top journals. She has won some of the most prestigious awards in her field. In addition to publishing in scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing psychological research to the general public. She works as a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. This month, she published a self-help book on love addiction and breakups called Letting Go of Your Ex. [Feb 13, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:22 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:01 - Dr. Cortney Warren Intro 05:51 - A Personal and Professional Merging of Experiences 07:41 - Freedom in the Hard Truth 09:43 - The Path from Honest Liars 11:54 - Core Struggle: Addictive Behaviors 15:09 - The War Inside Your Head 16:48 - Hold Up a Mirror 18:18 - The Role of Self Deception (In Love) 22:08 - Addicted to Love 24:40 - When the Honeymoon is Over 28:37 - Guided by Values 31:42 - The Importance of Alignment 34:10 - Leading By Example 36:06 - A Call for Compassion 38:49 - Find Dr. Cortney Warren online Website: https://drcortney.com/ LinkedIn: in/drcortney Instagram: drcortneywarren TikTok: @drcortneywarren Twitter: @DrCortneyWarren Psychology Today: Naked Truth Blog 40:09 - Who do you consider your greatest mentors? Jaine Strauss Nancy Raymond David Gleaves Antonio Cepeda-Benito 41:10 - My Grandmother: A Lesson in Resilience 44:09 - Book Recommendations Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl Up from Slavery - Booker T. Washington Letting Go of Your Ex - Cortney Warren 46:08 - Guest Wrap Up 46:48 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

Feb 6, 2023 • 53min
Ep. 197 - The Doctor Is In Series - Information Elicitation
The podcast discusses information elicitation and the importance of science-based interviewing. They explore the collaboration between theory and practice, the dynamics of dyadic interactions, fostering cooperation and building trust, the power of a friendly approach in challenging scenarios, the importance of social connection and creating a safe environment, and effective communication for behavior correction.

Jan 30, 2023 • 52min
Ep. 196 - SE Etc Series - The Role Of Empathy In Social Engineering with Patrick and Chris
Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Jan 30, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:28 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:58 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 05:38 – "You never know" 06:51 – Todays Topic: The Role of Empathy in SE 07:02 – Empathy: A Definition 11:09 – 3 Kinds of Empathy 11:23 – Cognitive Empathy 12:21 – Emotional Empathy 13:00 – Empathic Concern 15:52 – The Role of Emotional Distance 16:57 – Learning Empathy 17:49 – What the Studies Show 19:56 – Keeping an Open Mind 21:35 – Letting Your Life Experiences Teach You 23:52 – The Social Media Bubble 25:55 – Expand And Listen 30:13 – Applying Empathy to Social Engineering 31:25 – Being Adversarial 32:45 – Don't Be the Bad Guy 38:33 – The Importance of "Why" 42:51 – Using Empathy to Make the Best Choice 48:07 – Using Empathy to Make the Hard Choice 49:55 – Practice Makes (Not Quite) Perfect 51:17 – Coming Up Next Month 52:08 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: com/in/plaverty9

Jan 27, 2023 • 41min
Ep. 195 - Security Awareness Series - Social Engineering Forecast for 2023
Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I will have a special discussion of the 2023 security landscape. [Jan 27, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:27 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:25 – Don't Forget Ryan 05:11 – What Are We Talking About: 2023 Edition 05:39 – 2022 Was Rough! 07:09 – Getting Everyone Else Up To Speed 09:24 – Hackers for Hire? 12:58 – Economic Crisis = Rise in Cybercrime 15:10 – Emotional Victimizing 18:08 – Losing the Teachable Moment 20:42 – Ransomware as a Growth Industry 24:20 – MFA for All! 27:15 – There is Hope 28:40 – Make It Personal 30:47 – A Tool is Just a Tool 33:25 – Don't Recycle 34:53 – Make it Hard! 36:29 – Gotta Get it Tailored 37:47 – Trust the Process 39:40 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

Jan 25, 2023 • 39min
Ep. 194 - Human Element Series - RUSE: Corporate Spies as a Service with Robert Kerbeck
Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck’s writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub’s Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:26 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro 03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy? 06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering 08:29 – Very Dark Grey 10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin 11:25 – Making OJ look good 15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't 19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth 21:13 – Setting boundaries 22:21 – Hacking people is easy 24:46 – Some need convincing 26:08 – Ransomware 28:38 – No spies here! 30:03 – This isn't going away! 31:08 – Knock, knock 32:35 – Hacking the human 34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online Website: www.robertkerbeck.com 35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors? Professor from Freshman Year Frank Abagnale 36:49 – Book Recommendations: Fair Game – Valerie Plame Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale RUSE – Robert Kerbeck 38:00 – Guest Wrap Up 38:26 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Jan 16, 2023 • 48min
Ep. 193 - The Doctor Is In Series - Shame, The Good The Bad And The Coping
Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Shame. We will talk about how shame helps us, hinders us, why some people can deal with it and why some can’t. We’ll also discuss various coping strategies and more. [Jan 02, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:55 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:38 – The topic of the day: Shame 05:44 – Is there a positive side to shame? 07:29 – Directed by beliefs 09:02 – Cultural differences 10:14 – Shame's functionality 11:16 – Societal stigma 12:35 – How shame can hinder 16:36 – Literal shutdown 19:30 – Emotional Blunting 22:15 – Guilt vs Shame: Sense of Self 24:14 – Those who can, cope! 26:54 – When shame is a symptom 28:09 – Finding a support network 30:03 – The "core" of shame 33:45 – The road to Mindfulness 37:20 – Environmental Shame 38:34 – Horrifically fascinating 41:06 – You have to get out there! 43:00 – Tips for our younger listeners 45:25 – Remember Pen Pals? 46:44 – Wrap Up 47:39 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Burkitt, I. (2008). Social selves: Theories of self and society. Sage. Elison, J., Pulos, S., & Lennon, R. (2006). Shame-focused coping: An empirical study of the compass of shame. Social Behavior and Personality: an international journal, 34(2), 161-168. Garey, S. S. (1998). Long-term effects of sibling emotional and physical abuse on adult self-concept and the associated guilt and shame. United States International University. Gilchrist, J. D., Solomon-Krakus, S., Pila, E., Crocker, P., & Sabiston, C. M. (2020). Associations between physical self-concept and anticipated guilt and shame: The moderating role of gender. Sex Roles, 83(11), 763-772. Harper, J. M. (2011). Regulating and coping with shame. Re-constructing emotional spaces: From experience to regulation, 189-206. Hawes, D. J., Helyer, R., Herlianto, E. C., & Willing, J. (2013). Borderline personality features and implicit shame-prone self-concept in middle childhood and early adolescence. Journal of Clinical Child & Adolescent Psychology, 42(3), 302-308. Kinston, W. (1983). A theoretical context for shame. International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 64, 213-226. Krüger, S., & Rustad, G. C. (2019). Coping with shame in a media-saturated society: Norwegian web-series Skam as transitional object. Television & new media, 20(1), 72-95. Nathanson, D. L. (1987). The many faces of shame. In Partially based on a symposium held in Los Angeles, 1984 for the 137th Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.. The Guilford Press. Rüsch, N., Lieb, K., Göttler, I., Hermann, C., Schramm, E., Richter, H., ... & Bohus, M. (2007). Shame and implicit self-concept in women with borderline personality disorder. American journal of psychiatry, 164(3), 500-508. Scheff, T. J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic interaction, 26(2), 239-262. Tangney, J. P. (1996). Conceptual and methodological issues in the assessment of shame and guilt. Behaviour research and therapy, 34(9), 741-754. Taylor, P. J., McDonald, J., Smith, M., Nicholson, H., & Forrester, R. (2019). Distinguishing people with current, past, and no history of non-suicidal self-injury: Shame, social comparison, and self-concept integration. Journal of Affective Disorders, 246, 182-188. Taylor, T. F. (2015). The influence of shame on posttrauma disorders: have we failed to see the obvious?. European journal of psychotraumatology, 6(1), 28847.

Dec 26, 2022 • 48min
Ep. 192 - SE Etc Series - Shelbys Love of Dumpsters with Patrick and Chris
Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Dec 26, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:29 – Patrick Laverty Intro 01:18 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 05:04 – Todays Topic: Dumpster Diving 06:27 – Shelby Dacko Intro 08:38 – Patrick’s Pizza Adventure 14:34 – Who is Shelby? 15:51 – 9 Times 19:20 – The continuing importance of OSINT 20:44 – What are some "typical" goals for a "break-in"? 22:40 – Concerns with 3rd party security 23:08 – Shelby's nighttime find 26:37 – Shelby's Trash Talk 31:02 – All the luck 33:20 – A moment in time 35:37 – Situational Awareness 38:58 – The 4th Step 41:02 – Diversity of thought 42:06 – Cut me some SLACK 44:39 – "It's more about the raccoons" 46:50 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

Dec 19, 2022 • 38min
Ep. 191 - Security Awareness Series - Getting Hit By a Bus with Steve Orrin
Today our guest is Steve Orrin. Steve is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cybersecurity, solution architecture, virtualization security, and federal project management. Orrin earned a Bachelor's in Honors Research Biology from Kean University. He currently serves as a Federal Chief Technology Officer and Senior PE for Intel Corporation. He is also a key advisor and subject matter expert in the emerging technologies space, providing guidance to the Public Sector, Defense, and Intelligence communities. [Dec 19, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:55 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 03:43 – Steve Orrin Intro 04:26 – How did a biologist become a CTO at Intel? 09:10 – The evolution of security attacks 12:22 – Humans are humans 13:18 – Higher-risk targets 13:54 – If I knew then...LISTEN! 15:09 – Speak the language 16:27 – Making limoncello out of lemons 17:36 – Check your ego 19:04 – The prerequisites 21:06 – A Self-fulfilling Prophecy of Awesome Things 22:15 – Perfection is the Enemy of Good 26:06 – Handling failure 28:12 – Culturing opportunities 30:37 – Ninja skills 32:07 – Have you had mentors in your career? Bruce Schneier David Riss 33:42 – Book Recommendations Good to Great – Jim Collins Built to Last – Jim Collins Applied Cryptography – Bruce Schneier 35:52 – Find Steve Orrin online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrin/ intel.com/publicsector 37:02 – Wrap Up 37:21 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Dec 12, 2022 • 42min
Ep. 190 - Human Element Series - Decide What To Be Bad At with Dorie Clark
Dorie Clark helps individuals and companies get their best ideas heard in a crowded, noisy world. She has been named one of the Top 50 business thinkers in the world by Thinkers50. She was honored as the #1 Communication Coach by the Marshall Goldsmith Leading Global Coaches Awards and one of the Top 5 Communication Professionals in the World by Global Gurus. She is the Wall Street Journal bestselling author of The Long Game, Entrepreneurial You, Reinventing You, and Stand Out, which was named the #1 Leadership Book of the Year by Inc. magazine. A former presidential campaign spokeswoman, Clark has been described by the New York Times as an “expert at self-reinvention and helping others make changes in their lives.” She is a frequent contributor to the Harvard Business Review, and consults and speaks for clients such as Google, Yale University, and the World Bank. She is a graduate of Harvard Divinity School, a producer of a multiple Grammy-winning jazz album, and a Broadway investor. [Dec 12, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:18 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:37 – Dorie Clark Intro 04:01 – How did you decide to become a leadership expert? 05:26 – Defeating the "gatekeepers" 08:06 – The benefits of Social Proof 12:34 – Has the "long game" changed in the last 10 years? 15:36 – The rise of FOMO 18:19 – Getting back to long-term thinking 19:52 – You don't have to "Take the Leap!" 25:32 – Be 2 years older with straight teeth 27:42 – Confusing "busy" with "important" 31:40 – Deciding what to be bad at 36:16 – Who do you consider your mentor? Marshall Goldsmith 38:31 – Book Recommendations: The Thursday Murder Club – Richard Osman Influence – Robert Cialdini The Long Game – Dorie Clark Entrepreneurial You – Dorie Clark Reinventing You – Dorie Clark Stand Out – Dorie Clark 40:28 – Find Dorie Clark online Twitter: https://twitter.com/dorieclark LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doriec/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dorieclarkauthor/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dorieclark/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DorieClark Website: https://www.dorieclark.com 41:12 – Guest Wrap Up 41:35 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org