The Social-Engineer Podcast

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Jan 30, 2023]   00:00 – Intro 00:28 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:58 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                                05:38 – "You never know"                                                           06:51 – Todays Topic: The Role of Empathy in SE                                                                07:02 – Empathy: A Definition                                                    11:09 – 3 Kinds of Empathy                                                         11:23 – Cognitive Empathy                                                          12:21 – Emotional Empathy                                                         13:00 – Empathic Concern                                                           15:52 – The Role of Emotional Distance                                                  16:57 – Learning Empathy                                                            17:49 – What the Studies Show                                                 19:56 – Keeping an Open Mind                                                  21:35 – Letting Your Life Experiences Teach You                                                 23:52 – The Social Media Bubble                                                               25:55 – Expand And Listen                                                           30:13 – Applying Empathy to Social Engineering                                                 31:25 – Being Adversarial                                                             32:45 – Don't Be the Bad Guy                                                     38:33 – The Importance of "Why"                                                             42:51 – Using Empathy to Make the Best Choice                                                48:07 – Using Empathy to Make the Hard Choice                                                               49:55 – Practice Makes (Not Quite) Perfect                                                          51:17 – Coming Up Next Month                                                                52:08 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: com/in/plaverty9

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I will have a special discussion of the 2023 security landscape. [Jan 27, 2023]   00:00 – Intro 00:27 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:25 – Don't Forget Ryan                                                            05:11 – What Are We Talking About: 2023 Edition                                                             05:39 – 2022 Was Rough!                                                             07:09 – Getting Everyone Else Up To Speed                                                          09:24 – Hackers for Hire?                                                              12:58 – Economic Crisis = Rise in Cybercrime                                                       15:10 – Emotional Victimizing                                                     18:08 – Losing the Teachable Moment                                                   20:42 – Ransomware as a Growth Industry                                                           24:20 – MFA for All!                                                        27:15 – There is Hope                                                    28:40 – Make It Personal                                                              30:47 – A Tool is Just a Tool                                                         33:25 – Don't Recycle                                                     34:53 – Make it Hard!                                                     36:29 – Gotta Get it Tailored                                                       37:47 – Trust the Process                                                             39:40 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck’s writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub’s Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023]  00:00 – Intro   00:26 – Intro Links  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro   03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy?   06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering   08:29 – Very Dark Grey   10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin   11:25 – Making OJ look good   15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't   19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth   21:13 – Setting boundaries   22:21 – Hacking people is easy   24:46 – Some need convincing   26:08 – Ransomware   28:38 – No spies here!   30:03 – This isn't going away!   31:08 – Knock, knock   32:35 – Hacking the human   34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online  Website: www.robertkerbeck.com   35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors?  Professor from Freshman Year  Frank Abagnale  36:49 – Book Recommendations:  Fair Game – Valerie Plame  Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale  RUSE – Robert Kerbeck  38:00 – Guest Wrap Up   38:26 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.   In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Shame. We will talk about how shame helps us, hinders us, why some people can deal with it and why some can’t. We’ll also discuss various coping strategies and more.  [Jan 02, 2023]   00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:55 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:38 – The topic of the day: Shame                                                   05:44 – Is there a positive side to shame?                                                       07:29 – Directed by beliefs                                                     09:02 – Cultural differences                                                   10:14 – Shame's functionality                                                11:16 – Societal stigma                                             12:35 – How shame can hinder                                             16:36 – Literal shutdown                                                        19:30 – Emotional Blunting                                                    22:15 – Guilt vs Shame: Sense of Self                                                 24:14 – Those who can, cope!                                               26:54 – When shame is a symptom                                                    28:09 – Finding a support network                                                     30:03 – The "core" of shame                                                  33:45 – The road to Mindfulness                                                         37:20 – Environmental Shame                                               38:34 – Horrifically fascinating                                              41:06 – You have to get out there!                                                      43:00 – Tips for our younger listeners                                                45:25 – Remember Pen Pals?                                                 46:44 – Wrap Up                                                        47:39 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org     Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy   References: Burkitt, I. (2008). Social selves: Theories of self and society. Sage.   Elison, J., Pulos, S., & Lennon, R. (2006). Shame-focused coping: An empirical study of the compass of shame. Social Behavior and Personality: an international journal, 34(2), 161-168.   Garey, S. S. (1998). Long-term effects of sibling emotional and physical abuse on adult self-concept and the associated guilt and shame. United States International University.   Gilchrist, J. D., Solomon-Krakus, S., Pila, E., Crocker, P., & Sabiston, C. M. (2020). Associations between physical self-concept and anticipated guilt and shame: The moderating role of gender. Sex Roles, 83(11), 763-772.   Harper, J. M. (2011). Regulating and coping with shame. Re-constructing emotional spaces: From experience to regulation, 189-206.   Hawes, D. J., Helyer, R., Herlianto, E. C., & Willing, J. (2013). Borderline personality features and implicit shame-prone self-concept in middle childhood and early adolescence. Journal of Clinical Child & Adolescent Psychology, 42(3), 302-308.   Kinston, W. (1983). A theoretical context for shame. International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 64, 213-226.   Krüger, S., & Rustad, G. C. (2019). Coping with shame in a media-saturated society: Norwegian web-series Skam as transitional object. Television & new media, 20(1), 72-95.   Nathanson, D. L. (1987). The many faces of shame. In Partially based on a symposium held in Los Angeles, 1984 for the 137th Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.. The Guilford Press.   Rüsch, N., Lieb, K., Göttler, I., Hermann, C., Schramm, E., Richter, H., ... & Bohus, M. (2007). Shame and implicit self-concept in women with borderline personality disorder. American journal of psychiatry, 164(3), 500-508.   Scheff, T. J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic interaction, 26(2), 239-262.   Tangney, J. P. (1996). Conceptual and methodological issues in the assessment of shame and guilt. Behaviour research and therapy, 34(9), 741-754.   Taylor, P. J., McDonald, J., Smith, M., Nicholson, H., & Forrester, R. (2019). Distinguishing people with current, past, and no history of non-suicidal self-injury: Shame, social comparison, and self-concept integration. Journal of Affective Disorders, 246, 182-188.   Taylor, T. F. (2015). The influence of shame on posttrauma disorders: have we failed to see the obvious?. European journal of psychotraumatology, 6(1), 28847.

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Dec 26, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  00:29 – Patrick Laverty Intro  01:18 – Intro Links  Social-Engineer.com  Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 05:04 – Todays Topic: Dumpster Diving  06:27 – Shelby Dacko Intro  08:38 – Patrick’s Pizza Adventure  14:34 – Who is Shelby?  15:51 – 9 Times  19:20 – The continuing importance of OSINT  20:44 – What are some "typical" goals for a "break-in"?  22:40 – Concerns with 3rd party security  23:08 – Shelby's nighttime find  26:37 – Shelby's Trash Talk  31:02 – All the luck  33:20 – A moment in time  35:37 – Situational Awareness  38:58 – The 4th Step  41:02 – Diversity of thought  42:06 – Cut me some SLACK  44:39 – "It's more about the raccoons"  46:50 – Wrap Up & Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org    Find us online  Chris Hadnagy  Twitter: @humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy  Patrick Laverty  Twitter: @plaverty9  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9 

Today our guest is Steve Orrin. Steve is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cybersecurity, solution architecture, virtualization security, and federal project management. Orrin earned a Bachelor's in Honors Research Biology from Kean University. He currently serves as a Federal Chief Technology Officer and Senior PE for Intel Corporation. He is also a key advisor and subject matter expert in the emerging technologies space, providing guidance to the Public Sector, Defense, and Intelligence communities. [Dec 19, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  00:55 – Intro Links:  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations -  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org  03:43 – Steve Orrin Intro  04:26 – How did a biologist become a CTO at Intel?  09:10 – The evolution of security attacks  12:22 – Humans are humans  13:18 – Higher-risk targets  13:54 – If I knew then...LISTEN!  15:09 – Speak the language  16:27 – Making limoncello out of lemons  17:36 – Check your ego  19:04 – The prerequisites  21:06 – A Self-fulfilling Prophecy of Awesome Things  22:15 – Perfection is the Enemy of Good  26:06 – Handling failure  28:12 – Culturing opportunities  30:37 – Ninja skills  32:07 – Have you had mentors in your career?  Bruce Schneier  David Riss  33:42 – Book Recommendations   Good to Great – Jim Collins  Built to Last – Jim Collins  Applied Cryptography – Bruce Schneier  35:52 – Find Steve Orrin online  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrin/  intel.com/publicsector  37:02 – Wrap Up  37:21 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 

Dorie Clark helps individuals and companies get their best ideas heard in a crowded, noisy world. She has been named one of the Top 50 business thinkers in the world by Thinkers50. She was honored as the #1 Communication Coach by the Marshall Goldsmith Leading Global Coaches Awards and one of the Top 5 Communication Professionals in the World by Global Gurus.     She is the Wall Street Journal bestselling author of The Long Game, Entrepreneurial You, Reinventing You, and Stand Out, which was named the #1 Leadership Book of the Year by Inc. magazine.    A former presidential campaign spokeswoman, Clark has been described by the New York Times as an “expert at self-reinvention and helping others make changes in their lives.” She is a frequent contributor to the Harvard Business Review, and consults and speaks for clients such as Google, Yale University, and the World Bank.    She is a graduate of Harvard Divinity School, a producer of a multiple Grammy-winning jazz album, and a Broadway investor. [Dec 12, 2022]     00:00 – Intro   00:18 – Intro Links  Social-Engineer.com  Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing  Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 02:37 – Dorie Clark Intro  04:01 – How did you decide to become a leadership expert?  05:26 – Defeating the "gatekeepers"  08:06 – The benefits of Social Proof  12:34 – Has the "long game" changed in the last 10 years?  15:36 – The rise of FOMO  18:19 – Getting back to long-term thinking  19:52 – You don't have to "Take the Leap!"  25:32 – Be 2 years older with straight teeth  27:42 – Confusing "busy" with "important"  31:40 – Deciding what to be bad at  36:16 – Who do you consider your mentor?  Marshall Goldsmith  38:31 – Book Recommendations:  The Thursday Murder Club – Richard Osman  Influence – Robert Cialdini  The Long Game – Dorie Clark Entrepreneurial You – Dorie Clark  Reinventing You – Dorie Clark Stand Out – Dorie Clark 40:28 – Find Dorie Clark online  Twitter: https://twitter.com/dorieclark  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/doriec/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dorieclarkauthor/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dorieclark/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DorieClark  Website: https://www.dorieclark.com  41:12 – Guest Wrap Up   41:35 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.     In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making?  We are all curious about the origins of evil and violence. We see a story on the news and ask ourselves, how could anyone do that? So, let’s dive into how. We are not going to cover specific cases and talk about specific serial killers, because you lose the science and we “celebritize” serial killers.  [Dec 05, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  00:19 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro  00:52 – Intro Links  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  03:37 – The topic of the day: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making?  04:48 – Born this way?  08:25 – The "X" Factor  10:11 – Self-soothing  13:18 – The importance of Anxiety  14:34 – Made by the military  15:23 – You can't pick and choose  18:18 – Gag reflex  19:50 – Who's to blame?  20:59 – The "Criminal Gene" fallacy  24:39 – A happy ending  26:50 – “This isn't set in stone”  29:31 – Silver Linings  31:13 – “It's a bit of both”  32:02 – Misguided markers  35:42 – Is there prevention?  39:05 – Minority Report  41:18 – An unsupportive system  42:34 – Touch is vital!  45:26 – An interesting (NOT FUN!) quote  46:27 – Wrap Up  47:07 – The request lines are open!  47:35 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org      Find us online:  Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a  Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy    References:  Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?.    Johnson, B. R., & Becker, J. V. (1997). Natural born killers?: The development of the sexually sadistic serial killer. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 25(3), 335-348.    Ioana, I. M. (2013). No one is born a serial killer!. Procedia-Social and Behavioral Sciences, 81, 324-328.    Mitchell, H., & Aamodt, M. G. (2005). The incidence of child abuse in serial killers. Journal of Police and Criminal Psychology, 20(1), 40-47.    Miller, L. (2014). Serial killers: I. Subtypes, patterns, and motives. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 19(1), 1-11.    Wiest, J. B. (2016). Casting cultural monsters: Representations of serial killers in US and UK news media. Howard Journal of Communications, 27(4), 327-346.    Wrangham, R. W., Wilson, M. L., & Muller, M. N. (2006). Comparative rates of violence in chimpanzees and humans. Primates, 47(1), 14-26.    Newton-Fisher, N. E., & Thompson, M. E. (2012). Comparative evolutionary perspectives on violence.    Marono, A. J., Reid, S., Yaksic, E., & Keatley, D. A. (2020). A behaviour sequence analysis of serial killers’ lives: From childhood abuse to methods of murder. Psychiatry, psychology and law, 27(1), 126-137.    Marono, A., & Keatley, D. A. (2022). An investigation into the association between cannibalism and serial killers. Psychiatry, Psychology and Law, 1-12.    Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?.    Njelesani, J., Hashemi, G., Cameron, C., Cameron, D., Richard, D., & Parnes, P. (2018). From the day they are born: a qualitative study exploring violence against children with disabilities in West Africa. BMC public health, 18(1), 1-7.    Boyle, K. (2001). What's natural about killing? Gender, copycat violence and Natural Born Killers. Journal of Gender Studies, 10(3), 311-321.    Formosa, P. (2008). The problems with evil. Contemporary Political Theory, 7(4), 395-415. 

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Nov 28, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  00:24 – Patrick Laverty Intro  00:43 – Intro Links  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  03:26 – Todays Topic: How do you become a Social Engineer?  05:16 – The Art of the Conversation   05:36 – The old college try!  07:49 – It's all in the report  11:37 – OSINT: The SE Lifeblood  13:53 – How do you learn this?  16:48 – Don't rely on tools, rely on OSINT  19:14 – The APSE origin story   25:13 – It's really about communication   25:45 – Learning from DISC  29:24 – It's not all bad  30:24 – This isn't 9 to 5  33:50 – Conversation with a purpose  34:57 – Back to the reports  38:27 – APSE and beyond  43:36 – Sorry...Invite Only  45:50 – 'Tis the season  46:41 – Never stop learning  48:27 – Always different, never boring   49:32 – The next generation   51:28 – Coming up next month  52:03 – Wrap Up & Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org     Find us online  Chris Hadnagy  Twitter: @humanhacker  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy  Patrick Laverty  Twitter: @plaverty9  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9   

Marc Ashworth is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cyber and physical security, IT/security architecture, project management, is an author and a public speaker.  He is a board member of the St. Louis Chapter of InfraGard, Webster University Cyber Advisory board, Co-Founded the State of Cyber annual security conference, and a Lifetime member of FBI Citizens Academy, possessing security certifications in CISSP, CISM, CRISC, Security+ and other certifications.  As the Senior Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer at First Bank, Marc currently oversees First Bank’s information security, fraud, physical security, and the network services departments. He is also the 2022 Cyber Defense Magazine winner of “Top 100 CISOs in the World.” [Nov 21st, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  00:49 – Intro Links:  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  03:15 – Marc Ashworth Intro  05:17 – What was the path that led you to InfoSec?  07:41 – Cultivating good security practices  09:31 – Learning to "scale" your security  11:22 – The value of Strategic Thinking  13:40 – It's all in the presentation  15:25 – The importance of Customer Service  18:32 – The Art of Translation  21:32 – Small Wins  24:34 – Letters to a young CISO  26:20 – Don't avoid Pen Testing!  28:11 – Adopting a "Partnership" mindset  30:30 – Long line of influence  33:40 – Book Recommendations  We Are Legion (We Are Bob) – Dennis E. Taylor  Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup – John Carreyrou  The Goals Program – Zig Ziglar  The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People – Stephen Covey  36:14 – Find Marc Ashworth online  LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/marcashworth/  38:36 – Wrap Up   38:56 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org